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30 Sep 2013

Baseball Shifts Chargers-Raiders to Sunday Night 8:35 pm PDT

Whoa. The Oakland A's are hosting a baseball playoff game next Saturday night. And so, in order to provide enough time to change over the O.Co Oakland Coliseum from baseball configuration to football configuration, the NFL has moved the Raiders-Chargers game to Sunday night. Not as in Sunday night, going up against the game on NBC. They've moved it to Sunday night PACIFIC time, i.e. 11:35 pm Eastern. The game will be on NFL Network and local Oakland and San Diego affiliates.

Don't expect to see a lot about this game in Audibles next Monday morning.

Posted by: Aaron Schatz on 30 Sep 2013

42 comments, Last at 03 Oct 2013, 3:05pm by TomKelso


by Scott C :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 12:19am

Four football games to watch! Nice.

by Steve in WI :: Wed, 10/02/2013 - 1:39am

Yeah, I'm ashamed to admit that was my first thought, too.

by justanothersteve :: Wed, 10/02/2013 - 9:31pm

I normally don't even stay up for the second half of Sunday night's game. But if this furlough continues, I may just watch. Nothing better to do.

by Jon Goldman (not verified) :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 1:28am

Multi-sport stadiums for outdoor sports remain mind-bogglingly stupid.

by Jerry :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 2:28am

Would you prefer to go back to the days when football fields were shoehorned into ballparks?

by Sakic (not verified) :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 8:44am

Watching the Packers play games in Milwaukee with both teams on one side of the field and the Bears play games at Wrigley Field with one end zone being only 9 yards deep would've been fun to watch.

by Dennis :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 3:09pm

Northwestern and Illinois played a game there a few years ago and they had the offenses only go one way because they decided the other endzone wasn't safe with the wall so close.

by Theo :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 11:10am

he just said it's stupid. And what you're saying is not even the logical alternative.

by collapsing pocket (not verified) :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 11:21am

It was logical enough for the Bears to play at Wrigley for over 50 years.

by Theo :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 3:14pm

I did use the word 'alternative' there right? As in 'an alternative to the current situation'. Because the guy said 'would you prefer to go back to...'
Ah forget it.

by RickD :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 5:25pm

Hey, I understand you.

If somebody says "multi-sport stadiums are stupid" the way to argue against that isn't to say how stupid it is to play football in a baseball stadium. Because that's an example of how multi-sport stadiums are stupid.

by Gaucho (not verified) :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 6:01pm

Ah... Nope! A baseball stadium still is a baseball stadium even when you eventually put a football, soccer field or a hockey rink in it. A multi-purpose is design to attend simultaneously the basic necessities of the sports events that is supposed to host.

by Jerry :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 6:51pm

To elaborate:

Back when stadiums were privately funded/built/owned, it made no sense to build a stadium for ten or so dates a year, especially when pro football was much less popular than it is now. Baseball teams were often willing to rent their parks to football clubs, so they'd play in venues that weren't designed for football.

Once governments were convinced to build stadiums, NFL teams were thrilled to get all-purpose venues that accommodated football as well as baseball. That is, of course, the era when the Oakland Coliseum was built.

Now, many municipalities are willing to put up two buildings, one of which is a football stadium that might be used twenty times a year. It's a great deal if you own a football or baseball team. If local governments are unwilling to pour tax money into such facilities, though, teams will either have to build their own (like the San Francisco Giants) or live with their last-generation stadium (like Oakland).

by Dired :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 10:54am

It seemed like a nice way of avoiding spending tens of millions of dollars of public money on something that would be used 10-12 times a year. And if the team was good enough to sell out, who cared how pleasant it was? That was before luxury boxes, though, and when you could build a stadium for less than $300 million.

by collapsing pocket (not verified) :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 11:29am

This comment is mindbogglingly stupid.

Multi sports stadiums, and the need to fill them when baseball isn't in season, are one of the reason's pro football even exists. Lots of NFL teams shared stadiums with baseball teams over the decades, and 99% of the time it worked out just fine, with the added bonus of being half the cost of building 2 stadiums! Its only in recent years that owners realized they could have their cake and eat it to by getting taxpayers to shell out for sport specific stadiums with all the amenities that will help their bottom line.

by RickD :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 5:28pm

Vacuum tubes are the reason microchips exist. But nobody uses them these days.

Very few teams use multi-sport stadiums (stadia?) any more. Most prefer the solutions used by Baltimore and DC (my local teams) a big stadium dedicated to football and a big stadium dedicated to baseball.

by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Wed, 10/02/2013 - 8:45am

That's funny, I've got two vacuum tubes in the headphone amp on my desk.

by Cythammer (not verified) :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 1:33am

In terms of sheer randomness this reminds me of that Tuesday night game from a few years ago.

by CBPodge :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 8:02am

Was that one due to a forest fire nearby or something?

I really wish the Raiders were hosting an East coast team in this game, just to see whether there's any impact to an East coast team playing so late.

by dmstorm22 :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 8:43am

Snowstorm near Philly (it was Vikings-Eagles in 2010)

by MilkmanDanimal :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 10:37am

I am very excited to have a new reason to not watch the Raiders play.

by Raiderjoe :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 12:19pm

You will regret writing hat when by end of year Raiders are 11-5 and making playoffs as wild card team. Just going theogh some rough spells now but will be just fjne.

by MilkmanDanimal :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 1:55pm

I'm a Bucs fan and I'm going to be way too busy regretting that fact to regret anything else.

by Bobman :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 2:39pm

Back to back awesome comments.

by Mr Shush :: Wed, 10/02/2013 - 5:06am

Look on the bright side: at least you're not the Jags fan.

by Revenge of the NURBS (not verified) :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 11:32am

In a world where a Jags/Raiders Thursday Nighter can outdraw the World Series, there's really no reason not to put a game on in the middle of the night. It'll still get at least a 10 rating. I won't watch it, but I don't watch the games that start at 9 PM either. TV probably loves it too, because it's more games they can show.

by Dennis :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 3:15pm

I can think of a reason: not to inconvenience the fans who are going to the game. But I know the NFL (along with the other leagues) doesn't care about making things better for the fans who attend games.

by Revenge of the NURBS (not verified) :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 4:16pm

The NFL flexes games to Sunday night all the time. This is probably about the same level of inconvenience as that, which is to say somewhat inconvenient, but not unprecedented. I guess that's a convoluted way of saying I agree with you.

by Dennis :: Wed, 10/02/2013 - 1:57pm

Except that it's known ahead of time which are the weeks when the games could be flexed. This one came out of nowhere.

by Boots Day :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 5:01pm

East Coast games frequently start around 8:35 PM local time. I wouldn't want to attend a game that started that late, but thousands of fans have done so for years with little complaint.

by MJK :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 5:03pm

It's at a reasonable time in the timezone it's played in, and both teams involved are from that timezone. 99.9% of fans attending will live in California. Attending this game is no rougher on the fans than attending an East Coast game that is in the normal Sunday night slot.

For those of us in California, it's kind of nice. I actually get to catch the kickoff of an evening game without cutting my Sunday activities short or having to leave work early on a Monday or Thursday.

by Dennis :: Wed, 10/02/2013 - 2:05pm

I completely disagree that 8:35 is a reasonable time to start a game. Yes, I know that east coast night games have started at that time (and later) for years, and I've never thought it was reasonable. This is even more unreasonable given that it was supposed to be an afternoon game. And let's be real, the main reason they didn't start it earlier, at say 6:00 is because they didn't want to put it against the regular Sunday night game.

I've also never understood the importance people place on being able to see the start of the game versus the end of the game.

by tuluse :: Thu, 10/03/2013 - 1:44am

Want likely has nothing to do with it. It would probably violate their contract with NBC.

by dmstorm22 :: Thu, 10/03/2013 - 9:11am

IIRC, wasn't there a situation recently where the NFL had to move a game and put it against the SNF game. I think it was due to forest fires or some sort of natural disaster that delayed a game.

Doing some quick research, I maybe was thinking of when the NFL moved the Vikings/Giants game to Monday after the roof broke in the Metrodome (game was moved to Detroit, I believe). They started that one at 8:20, right up against the real MNF game.

by RickD :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 5:30pm

It's only "the middle of the night" on the East Coast. Presumably the entire Bay Area doesn't go to sleep at 8 p.m. PDT.

by Dennis :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 3:53pm


by Bright Blue Shorts :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 5:13pm

So that's 4:35am UK time ... I should be able to get up and watch the 2nd half before work :-)

by Revenge of the NURBS (not verified) :: Wed, 10/02/2013 - 10:51am

Ah yes. The perennial success of Monday Night Football has prompted the NFL to take the logical next step -- Monday Morning Football.

by Bright Blue Shorts :: Wed, 10/02/2013 - 5:03pm

But where would you find a QB for Monday morning's ...

by Revenge of the NURBS (not verified) :: Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:05am


by PatsFan :: Thu, 10/03/2013 - 1:50pm

When they're not busy stealing foul balls from children.

by TomKelso :: Thu, 10/03/2013 - 3:05pm

On the Interwebs somewhere, I'm sure...