Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

29 Jul 2013

Mandatory Monday: Same Old Jets?

The answer to the question in the headline is No. John Idzik has them talking a good game, which is at least a step toward playing a good game.

Posted by: Mike Tanier on 29 Jul 2013

24 comments, Last at 09 Aug 2013, 5:03am by Joel Martinez


by Mehllagman56 (not verified) :: Mon, 07/29/2013 - 12:14pm

Wow, this was a great article. I started reading it ready to slam it, because I'd heard about Idzik's comments from other sources. Glad to know the whole quote about who gets to decide which quarterback starts. Again, thanks.

by coboney :: Mon, 07/29/2013 - 12:42pm

Excellant read Mike and an insightful look into one of the more infamous franchises recently and how its managing to recreate itself from its spot of futility.

by RickD :: Mon, 07/29/2013 - 1:44pm

I think the Bills would love to have the Jets' history of the past ten years. Or the Jaguars or Lions or Chiefs. The Dolphins haven't won a playoff game since 2000. The Browns only have one playoff game since their resurrection, at that was a loss to the Steelers of all teams!

NY media consternation aside, there have been a lot of far worse franchises than the Jets in recent seasons.

by Kyle D. (not verified) :: Mon, 07/29/2013 - 1:56pm

It's fun making fun of the Jets, but you're entirely correct. If they were Cleveland or Miami every article would be about whether they could reclaim their recent success, but since it's New York you get the impression from all the articles that they haven't won a game in the last decade.

by Bowl Game Anomaly :: Mon, 07/29/2013 - 2:26pm

To be fair to the NY press, while the Jets haven't been as bad as some of those other teams, they've been spectacularly mediocre in an attention-grabbing way, kind of like the Redskins or Raiders.

by Mehllagman56 (not verified) :: Mon, 07/29/2013 - 2:53pm

The Raiders have been a truly poorly run organization for a while. While the media has gone on and on about the Jets cap issues, the Raiders have been in cap hell for a while, and will only be getting out of it next year, and got nothing but a couple 8-8 seasons for their troubles. The Jets really only had two to three years with cap issues, not all of which was severe, and had several playoff runs for all of that. The DC team's issues have mainly been about stability, which changed once Shanahan was brought in.
As far as the spectacular aspect of their losses, the media has exaggerated it greatly. The buttfumble game, while a hilarious disaster, is nowhere near the trainwreck game the Bills had against the 49ers last year or the utter disaster the Cardinals had against Seattle. The microscope on the NY teams is larger, due to the market and how often the Jets and Giants get national games. The media also effects the Giants; that Giant fans wanted Coughlin fired before the second Super Bowl victory is absurd.

by JonFrum :: Tue, 07/30/2013 - 2:45pm

By going back ten years, you conveniently avoid focus on the last two years, which have turned the Jets into a laughingstock. When you go from Super Bowl guarantee from the HC to Butt-Fumble, you have a lot to answer for, and pointing the finger elsewhere doesn't change that fact.

by Dennis :: Tue, 07/30/2013 - 3:31pm

And focusing on the last two years conveniently avoids acknowledging that they went to back-to-back AFC championships with the same coach and QB.

by Dan :: Mon, 07/29/2013 - 9:18pm

The Jets have been one of the most average teams in the NFL over the last decade. 77-83 record, +19 point differential (average of +1.9 per year), 4 playoff appearances (league average is 3.75), 5-4 playoff record (with their farthest advancement being the conference championship game).

by Dennis :: Tue, 07/30/2013 - 12:39am

But that's the point - they have had more success than a lot of other teams yet they have been hung with a label of being total crap. They haven't made it to the Super Bowl, but they haven't had a run of complete futility either.

by James-London :: Mon, 07/29/2013 - 3:13pm

As a Dolphins fan I thoroughly disapprove of anything resembling organisational competence from the Jets...

Great read; the Romo class notes are awesome

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by Mehllagman56 (not verified) :: Mon, 07/29/2013 - 4:06pm

I can understand from a Jets fan perspective. On a side note, do you think the Dolphins are becoming a competent organization, and therefore a threat in the division or not? I kind of think of them as doing a bunch of things the Jets did three to four years ago (trading up in the draft for a potential game changer, the free agent splurges, etc.), and wonder if they'll be as successful or even more so when the dust falls.

by James-London :: Mon, 07/29/2013 - 4:17pm

On the face of it. it looks good, but let's be honest: who the hell knows?
Has Jeff Ireland morphed into Ozzie Newsome in the course of a single offseason? It's possible, but unlikely.

Like every other team in the league, Miami are utterly dependent on the QB. The free agents and the draft moves look great in Atlanta, (Gonzo, Julius Jones, etc.) because Matt Ryan can play. If Tannehill develops into a top-10 passer, Ireland will look like a genius. If he doesn't Jeff Ireland will look like Mike Tannenbaum, and have the same job prospects...

At least we've been spared Tebow

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by JIPanick :: Mon, 07/29/2013 - 6:09pm

I had to think for a moment before I realized that you just typo'd Julio Jones; I was wondering for a moment if I'd wandered into an alternate universe where (1) Julius Jones was good, (2) Julius Jones on the Falcons, and (3) Matt Ryan has a goatee.

I'd also argue that Ryan is an indifferent NFL starter and that White, Jones, Gonzalez, the Georgia Dome, and a quality O-Line are the difference between Ryan and, say, Josh Freeman. JMO though, and not really germain to your correct core point that if Tannehill flops so do the Fins.

by justanothersteve :: Mon, 07/29/2013 - 7:32pm

Even in the alternate universe a goateed Tony Gonzalez can't get to a Super Bowl, but the Falcons are owned by Hooters instead of Home Depot.

by Anon Y. Mouse (not verified) :: Mon, 07/29/2013 - 7:21pm

This story runs every single year. The Jests are supposed to be this, that and everything else in July and August. Then the season begins.

by Raiderjoe :: Mon, 07/29/2013 - 7:46pm

To poster who wrote vad things avout Raiders. You are mistaken. Raiders goigb fo win AGC West. 12-4 makr it down. Ahev more to worite but tiried now. Need to get twiiter working again. See Tanierb post here and reminf of twitter beucuause one of last tweets in May was to him

by Mehllagman56 (not verified) :: Mon, 07/29/2013 - 9:07pm

Sorry Raiderjoe, I meant that the Raiders were poorly run in the past, not that Reggie McKenzie is doing a bad job of it now. I don't share your optimism about their 2013 season though, but if Davis Jr. allows McKenzie to keep going, I expect big things from them in 2014.

by Ginomazza :: Wed, 07/31/2013 - 3:26am

This game is really very interesting at some of the points we find some problems but after we face it and come out of it was very nice.

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by Jerry Garcia (not verified) :: Wed, 07/31/2013 - 9:27am

Sanchez gos on the road in the post-season -wins some games, and beats Tom Brady in New England -- and he's a putz, a turd that can't play ball.

If some other QB did it, they would be considered one of the elite.

by Mehllageman56 (not verified) :: Wed, 07/31/2013 - 12:54pm

In his rookie year, Sanchez had the benefit of playing with the best running game in the league and a defense that ranks in the top ten in DVOA in the last ten years or so. In his second year, he had on of the top running games and a top defense. His playoff passer rating is much better than his regular season one, but he passed over 200 yards only twice, in both losses. they made those playoff runs because of the team around him. You change him out for Aaron Rodgers on the 2009 and 2010 teams, they might go undefeated.

by Jerry Garcia (not verified) :: Wed, 07/31/2013 - 1:23pm

One team goes undefeated in the entire history of the game- and you think the Jets had a shot?

Not the Pats, or the Steelers, not the Bears or the Cowboys, or the 49ers or the Giants or the Skins...

But you think the Jets could have gone undefeated? :)

I think they would need a little more than Aaron Rodgers!!

by Mehllageman56 (not verified) :: Fri, 08/02/2013 - 1:24pm

You're probably right, but Rodgers went 15-1 with an almost nonexistent running game and a terrible defense. The Packers did lose in the playoffs though. My main point still stands, that everyone points to the playoff runs as proof that Sanchez had potential when those teams were carried by the run game and defense.

by Joel Martinez (not verified) :: Fri, 08/09/2013 - 5:03am

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