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14 May 2013

Melvin Ingram Tears ACL in OTAs

Outside linebacker Melvin Ingram tore his left ACL in OTAs today and is likely gone for all of 2013. This may not be as big a blow as some people think. Ingram didn't have a great rookie year, with just one sack in 14 games. Meanwhile, the Chargers' pass rush was actually better in 2012 than generally advertised, ranking eighth in Adjusted Sack Rate. Even as a 3-4, they get strong pass rush from linemen like Corey Liuget and Kendell Reyes. But with Shaun Phillips now in Denver, there's no depth among San Diego's edge rushers. If the Chargers don't hit the veterans left on the free-agent market, they'll be stuck starting 2009 draft bust Larry English.

Posted by: Aaron Schatz on 14 May 2013

27 comments, Last at 19 May 2013, 11:37am by Trees


by Tom Gower :: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 10:19pm

Like Jared Gaither last year, O/U on Larry English getting an injury that causes him to miss time in the regular season is day 2 of training camp.

by Ferguson1015 :: Wed, 05/15/2013 - 6:33am

Over. He has to give us a false hope that he can start for the season before he suffers his season ending injury. I'd put the O/U at the practice week between Week 1 and Week 2 of the regular season.

by Theo :: Wed, 05/15/2013 - 1:20pm

Yay! Betting on someone else's health, it's such fun!

by Tom Gower :: Thu, 05/16/2013 - 2:17am

I never root for an injury more serious than a chipped fingernail that causes Player X to suddenly become aware of the theretofore completely unknown dangers of football and leads to an immediate retirement. I'd love to see English stay healthy for a full year and be a productive NFL player, but his personal history suggests that's unlikely to happen.

by Ferguson1015 :: Wed, 05/15/2013 - 5:42am

And now Freeney is being brought in. Just hours after it was announced that Ingram was injured.

Also, re:Ingram. He had 29 QB pressures last season in limited snaps last season. He certainly had the potential. I just wish Pagano had used him to his full potential. His biggest advantage is his versatility.

by Noah Arkadia :: Wed, 05/15/2013 - 10:42am

29 pressures in limited snaps? That doesn't sound right.

As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "i" in meat pie. Meat is the anagram of team... I don't know what he's talking about

by collapsing pocket (not verified) :: Wed, 05/15/2013 - 11:51am

It is correct. 29 Pressures in 261 pass rushing attempts last year.

by Noah Arkadia :: Thu, 05/16/2013 - 7:36pm

Sounds like pretty good numbers.

As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "i" in meat pie. Meat is the anagram of team... I don't know what he's talking about

by collapsing pocket (not verified) :: Fri, 05/17/2013 - 11:12am

They were, though of course the sample size was limited. Ingram actually led the team in QB pressures despite playing less than half the defensive snaps. Of course that could also be a function of how poor the rest of the pass rush was.

by Revenge of the NURBS (not verified) :: Wed, 05/15/2013 - 1:33pm

Dwight Freeney hasn't exactly taken to the 3-4. Not sure why he'd want to go to San Diego, other than the paycheck. I suppose no one else is offering him one at the moment, so he might as well take it. Maybe one of the 2.5 sacks he'll get this year will be on Peyton.

by cisforcookie (not verified) :: Wed, 05/15/2013 - 9:50am

is there anything positive that anyone can say about the chargers at this point? It just feels like they're destined to finish 4th in that division.

by MC2 :: Wed, 05/15/2013 - 11:05am

Well, Mike McCoy has gotten some pretty good results out of QBs (Delhomme, Tebow) who are nowhere near as good as Philip Rivers. Other than that, I've got nothing.

by Shattenjager :: Wed, 05/15/2013 - 11:46am

1. Eric Weddle is awesome.
2. The defensive line has a lot of young talent.
3. While everyone has been rushing to bury Philip Rivers, he was as good as anyone in the league three years ago and returned to form late in 2011. He had a bad year in 2012, yes, but maybe he's not done yet.
4. While there's no strong reason to be particularly optimistic about Mike McCoy, he's a first-time head coach and there's always the possibility that he turns out to be great.

The negative side of the ledger is certainly more stacked, but that's more positive stuff than I can say about the Raiders right now.

by Megamanic :: Fri, 05/17/2013 - 10:24pm

RE Rivers, everyone seems to be downplaying the fact that he was playing behind the worst Chargers OL since 2003 - when Drew Brees looked awful running for his life & we drafted Manning/Rivers and fixed the OL & miraculously one of those things fixed Brees - I wonder which...

This year we seem to have drafted a whole bunch of slow players including apparently reaching for the third best OG in the first round and then trying to play him at RT. He may well be an upgrade on Julian Clary (intentional error as anyone who's seen Clary in protection will agree) but I don't believe Fluker is an NFL standard RT and the sooner that is acknowledged, the better for Rivers' long term career prospects. Meanwhile the last two AJ drafts are starting to look rather good.

Everybody is burying the Chargers but they were a 7-9 team last year so McCoy should be measured on how much better/worse he is than 7-9. After all, he's got to be a better HC than career loser Norv hasn't he?

by collapsing pocket (not verified) :: Wed, 05/15/2013 - 11:53am

Did the league realign divisions and replace the Raiders with some other team?

by Karl Cuba :: Wed, 05/15/2013 - 1:41pm

That was my first thought too.

by LionInAZ :: Wed, 05/15/2013 - 8:27pm

Yeah, it's hard to imagine the Chargers finishing behind the Raidettes unless Rivers goes down.

by speedegg :: Wed, 05/15/2013 - 12:44pm

Maybe the Chargers should've traded up to draft OLB/DE Jamie Collins with their 2nd round pick instead of a stack ILB.

by collapsing pocket (not verified) :: Wed, 05/15/2013 - 1:55pm

So inconsiderate of Ingram to wait until after the draft to get hurt.

by Theo :: Wed, 05/15/2013 - 6:20pm

Captain Hindsight agrees.

by speedegg :: Thu, 05/16/2013 - 1:11pm

Considering pass-rushers are a premium, stack ILB are not (cough! Te'o! cough!), and the Chargers let Phillips walk, I was surprised the front office didn't do more to address their pass-rush

by collapsing pocket (not verified) :: Fri, 05/17/2013 - 11:27am

Things you don't have tend to be at a premium. They already had 2 starters at OLB. They had one starter and one vacancy at ILB. The math seems pretty straightforward. I'm sure if Ingram had hurt himself training in March their plans might have changed.

by speedegg :: Fri, 05/17/2013 - 6:40pm

True, when you have needs a lot of players look good. However, as a 3-4 team Chargers need a lot of linebackers. So if your OLBs consist of Melvin Ingram, Larry English, and Jarrett Johnson then maybe you need to draft a few more pass rushers.

Unless, of course, they were afraid they'd be like the Texans. Since the Texans didn't trust their ILBs in coverage, they played dime instead of nickel in their sub-packages. Or maybe the Chargers front office thougt their LB corps was as strong as the Steelers, who played nickel instead of dime since their LBs can rush the passer and cover. I don't see the Charger's roster being similar to either team.

by Led :: Wed, 05/15/2013 - 1:32pm

I'm guessing the Chargers are now regretting letting Barnes walk, although it was a sensible decision at the time.

by Ferguson1015 :: Wed, 05/15/2013 - 2:40pm

I still think a Barnes/JJ rotation would have been alright opposite Ingram, but I suppose it did save the team a little bit of cash.

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by Trees (not verified) :: Sun, 05/19/2013 - 11:37am

The Larry English Bust meme is way too popular, He's a solid player that coaches and fellow players respect. the new coaching staff is raving about him and mentioned that in previous game tape he was drawing double teams and pulled tight end protection in 3rd and 4th quarters after the opposing coaches started seeing him consistently break through protection.