Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

16 Sep 2013

MMQB: 12th Man

PK writes that the rest of the NFC better not let Seattle get home-field advantage in the playoffs, spills over into some Johnny Football vs. Alabama college talk, and praises Andy Reid's start in Kansas City.

Posted by: Rivers McCown on 16 Sep 2013

22 comments, Last at 20 Sep 2013, 3:58am by Subrata Sircar


by jonnyblazin :: Mon, 09/16/2013 - 2:45pm

I guess PK didn't want to bring up Earl Thomas's quotes about Boldin, where he called him average and just normal, considering he wrote about Boldin having the last laugh last week. It turns out if you actually cover Boldin he doesn't get open.

by RickD :: Mon, 09/16/2013 - 5:15pm

Seattle has superior corner backs. Lots of WRs have problems with them.

by jonnyblazin :: Mon, 09/16/2013 - 6:35pm

Yes but Seattle DBs don't often give scouting reports of the WRs they face.

by Insancipitory :: Mon, 09/16/2013 - 11:02pm

I don't know about often, but it's something they do, Sherman has at least. He's talked about Crabtree, last year said something to the effect that he might be the toughest assignment in the NFL. But when they speak well of WRs it's generally because they can play a physical game with them.

Crabtree's injury was a real tragedy, prorating his stats with his last games with Kaepernick into a full season painted a picture of an incredible 2013 for him.

by GlennW :: Mon, 09/16/2013 - 4:51pm

"Goat of the Week: Greg Schiano"

Who doesn't attempt the FG in that situation? Those 3 points are huge. I want those points much more than I'm worried about saving ~25 yards of field position against a potent offense (a league-average offense, sure). Hell, in no time Brees took the Saints to the 10-yard-line for a chipshot FG anyway.

by RickD :: Mon, 09/16/2013 - 5:24pm

It's easy to criticize a coach for attempting a FG when the kick is missed.

What Rivera did was worse, but since the kick was good, no comment.

by Never Surrender :: Tue, 09/17/2013 - 8:22am

King contradicts himself in that paragraph: he said that punting would have been smart because "Brees would have needed maybe 60 yards to get into Garrett Hartley field-goal range" with no timeouts. Then he says that the attempted FG was stupid because following that, "Brees went 54 yards, sweatlessly, to the winning chip-shot field goal."

So which is it? An unobtainable 60-yard mark or a 54-yard mark that Brees managed with little effort?

by tuluse :: Tue, 09/17/2013 - 11:59am

Those last 6 yards man, they're tough to get.

by chemdrj (not verified) :: Tue, 09/17/2013 - 11:56am

I would think punting was the worst option. Why wasn't going for it even an option? I think the odds of converting are better than the FG but punt seriously?

by Subrata Sircar :: Fri, 09/20/2013 - 3:58am

My thought too - with no timeouts for either team, a conversion wins the game. If not, NO has to go ~30 yards in a minute with no timeouts to get to long FG range. If you get the FG, you kick off and now they have about a minute to go 80 yards for a TD - not impossible, but very difficult, even for Brees. If you miss, they need about 20 yards for a long FG, and 30 for an easy one. Punting buys you 20 yards at most, so that should be right out.

It's not clear to me which answer is right - especially with how accurate kickers are these days - but I think going for it is way better than punting, and probably about even with the FG. Certainly not goat-worthy.

by NYMike :: Mon, 09/16/2013 - 11:11pm

Dropping the Packers six slots for slaughtering Washington was a bit of a stretch, too, eh?

by Raiderjoe :: Tue, 09/17/2013 - 12:30am

Is poster Czbadian? Zoddt for trypung. A liitle drunk over here. Very enjoyable to see Steelers go to 0-2

by MNKev (not verified) :: Thu, 09/19/2013 - 2:12pm

Yeah, I mean Miami, San Diego, KC, and Chicago over GB? Doesn't make much sense. New Orleans and Houston are pretty debatable too.

by Honest Abe (not verified) :: Tue, 09/17/2013 - 5:08am

Raiderjoe, you must be more than a little drunk. Since his tag is NYMike, he is unlikely to be Canadian, despite the "eh."

by Kevin from Philly :: Tue, 09/17/2013 - 11:10am

I'll bet there's lots of Canadians in NY. Maybe not so many Cjbdadians, though

by tuluse :: Tue, 09/17/2013 - 11:39am

Czbadia sounds like a country from Papers, please.

Edit: stealing dryheat's superior name

by dryheat :: Tue, 09/17/2013 - 11:35am

There's more Cjbdadians in New York City than in any other place in the world outside of Cjbdadia.

by jds :: Tue, 09/17/2013 - 5:27pm

Can someone help me with Zoddt. Its not in my Raiderjoe translator.

by dryheat :: Tue, 09/17/2013 - 8:27pm

I think it's "Sorry for typing", but I could be wrong -- I don't recall him apologizing before.

by DrP (not verified) :: Tue, 09/17/2013 - 2:04pm

send a check to The 12th Man Foundation at Texas A&M

by Dean :: Wed, 09/18/2013 - 12:39pm

Any school with ATM on the side of their helmets shouldn't need more funding.

by DrP (not verified) :: Thu, 09/19/2013 - 2:22pm

need is not the issue

A&M OWNS the trademark for the 12th Man