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21 Apr 2014

Seahawks Trade for Terrelle Pryor

A seventh-round pick was all it took for Oakland to give up on Terrelle Pryor.

Posted by: Rivers McCown on 21 Apr 2014

22 comments, Last at 25 Apr 2014, 8:40am by ChicagoRaider


by buzzorhowl :: Mon, 04/21/2014 - 10:47pm

Pryor seems like a good backup fit for Wilson but does this mean his game is fundamentally flawed enough that he'd never be able to wash as a starter? Or did Oakland just give up too quickly?

Personally, I gotta figure it was the former. They know more about him than we do and I'm sure there's some awareness of his coachability that goes into this decision. Kind of a shame, he looked potentially viable for a minute last year. Sorta. I think.

by ChicagoRaider :: Tue, 04/22/2014 - 10:01am

Yes, he developed a bad case of the yips, and he proved that he can run backward from a pass rush as fast as he can run forward for a TD. The results can be stunning either way.

The other problem is whether they can get him to reliably call plays on time. Getting to the line in time to get an initial read on the defense and call an audible was a huge challenge for him. Sometimes even getting the play from the huddle off was too much. He has to work faster getting to the line. Once the play is called, he holds the ball forever. It was like watching a fast-running Andrew Walter that called plays slowly. McGloin was a huge relief because the huddle broke, the audible was called, the snap happened, and the ball was sent to a skill player in a reasonable time frame.

I think Pryor can develop acceptable accuracy if he shakes the yips. The question is whether the game will remain too fast for him.

by DEW :: Mon, 04/21/2014 - 11:51pm

As a general rule, I'm more inclined to trust Seattle's opinion of a player than Oakland's, at least during the last decade. But honestly, if Pryor can perform a reasonable impression of Colin Kaepernick in practice for the two, possibly three times they'll face SF and that gives Seattle's defense even a slight boost to what they'd otherwise have in the game, it'll be worth the pick.

(Or, on another note, when you build your offense around a guy with specialized skills like Wilson, Griffin, or Kaepernick, then if he gets injured, a chunk of the playbook goes out the window. Spending a seventh-rounder...especially the last pick in the draft!...on a guy with the physical skillset to step in isn't a bad risk, if they think they can coach him up to "adequate.")

by jds :: Tue, 04/22/2014 - 2:44pm

"As a general rule ...". Yeah, but these are the guys that went and got both Matt Flynn and Charlie Whitehurst. I think there is a difference in seeing guys from afar, and actually seeing them in your camp performing. Interesting maybe, but this is only for a Pryor - Jackson competition.

by mehllageman56 :: Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:41pm

To be technical about it, it's not the last pick in the draft. Nine compensatory picks are after it, and those picks cannot be traded away.

by Sisyphus :: Tue, 04/22/2014 - 12:38am

This might be good for Pryor and Seattle, Oakland not so much. Pryor seemed to develop a bad case of the yips as the season wore on behind that alleged offensive line. His mechanics look to need some work, maybe with some time holding a clipboard the light might start to come on. He may not fit the Seattle playbook though as much as people suspect; Wilson runs to throw; Pryor does not have that kind of vision, once he pulls the ball down his only option has been the run Considering the overall roster strength a seventh round draft pick was not likely to make the Seattle roster anyway.

by Noah Arkadia :: Tue, 04/22/2014 - 11:02am

You hear that last bit of the argument a lot, that a 7th isn't likely to make the roster anyway. On the flip side, guys like DeSean Jackson or DeMarcus Ware could have been had for a 7th. So I've really no idea how to understand the value of a 7th anymore.

The man with no sig

by Andrew Potter :: Tue, 04/22/2014 - 1:59pm

Well in the case of those two, the reason they could have been obtained for a seventh wasn't ability, it was wages. An actual seventh-round draft pick is very unlikely to match either of those players in ability, but he's also unlikely to be overpaid in a cap-unfriendly fashion.

by Shylo :: Tue, 04/22/2014 - 2:03pm

It's not that you wouldn't trade a 7th for them, but if you traded a 7th you'd also have to take on their contract, which is onerous.

by Noah Arkadia :: Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:34am

I mentioned those two because it seems like their new contracts are not much different from their old ones, at least at first sight.

The man with no sig

by peepshowmopguy :: Tue, 04/22/2014 - 12:38am

On a side note...

Happy Birthday Travaris Jackson... who is 31 today...

by Jimmy Oz :: Tue, 04/22/2014 - 1:15am

Great signing for Seattle to get the 6'6" Pryor. A tall QB was one of the few holes on the roster. Expect to see him on the field a lot when Seattle go to their 'Big QB' sub package.

by Theo :: Tue, 04/22/2014 - 7:15am

I think this is a joke. Not sure. But I like to think it is.

by Jimmy Oz :: Tue, 04/22/2014 - 8:45pm

Seattle just won the super bowl and it's expected a lot of fans will want merchandise that celebrates the championship season. Terrelle Pryor really knows how to sell memorabilia.

by RickD :: Tue, 04/22/2014 - 11:23am

He's also got a bigger contract than Wilson. (At least in terms of 2014 salary.)

by jds :: Tue, 04/22/2014 - 2:41pm

And Jackson's is higher than both.

by RichardK :: Tue, 04/22/2014 - 8:53am

Lots of work to follow with Pryor. Small cost for significant potential. Seems to have familiarity with play action pass scheme and should have sufficient mobility to extend plays. Should be a good fit as a backup in the Seattle system.

by Sifter :: Tue, 04/22/2014 - 4:56pm

If the Raiders gave up on Terrelle Pryor, what does it say for the Jags with Blaine Gabbert or the Browns with Brandon Weeden? Not coincidentally, those 3 were the bottom 3 in QB DYAR last season...

Both Gabbert and Weeden were much higher picks than Pryor. It's just interesting that fans seemed half interested in Pryor, but laughed maniacally when they found out someone else's team had signed Gabbert or Weeden (or even Mark Sanchez). I would say it's the old chestnut of: a running/athletic QB is always seen as having 'talent' and a 'high ceiling'.

In my view it's always worth taking a look at a former high pick, to determine if he's truly lost and trust your coaching staff to fix his flaws. So I'd say the 49ers, Cowboys, Seahawks and Eagles have all made a good dice roll this offseason with their QB signings/trades.

by tuluse :: Tue, 04/22/2014 - 5:16pm

Pryor has on occasion actually performed well. Just not long enough or well enough.

by Alternator :: Wed, 04/23/2014 - 3:48am

Pryor has demonstrated the ability to play well in stretches.

Weeden and Gabbert have not.

There's your difference.

by ChicagoRaider :: Fri, 04/25/2014 - 8:40am

Pryor played well until the NFL figured him out. The KC game where KC had him figured out and KC schooled the NFL on how to play Pryor was the end of that... for now. That is, unless he fakes you out and you give him open field to run. We have all seen what happens then.

by Dired :: Wed, 04/23/2014 - 2:44pm

I dunno. It seems like more of a "conventional wisdom can't be that wrong" fallacy too often, where true busts get six chances to keep failing. It's one thing to give a second chance to a guy who was in a dysfunctional organization, but when people keep giving the Heywood-Beys of the world new contracts, that's not logic but herd-based delusion.