Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

06 Jan 2006

FO Chat at Baseball Prospectus

Here's a link to today's chat at BaseballProspectus.com, discussing the playoffs, the strange 2005 divide between good teams and bad teams, the future of Joe Horn, and a fantasy sleeper for 2006 that you may have forgotten about.

Posted by: Aaron Schatz on 06 Jan 2006

10 comments, Last at 07 Jan 2006, 3:58pm by Jerry F.


by mactbone (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 10:11pm

>Ryguy86 (NY): Has there been a dumber draft trade than a first round pick for Doug Jolley?

Aaron Schatz: Oh, I'm sure we can find one, but not recently.

by mactbone (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 10:16pm

Stupid less than sign.

To finish the comment:

The Bears (Wannstedt) gave up a first rounder for Rick Mirer. This was after he was already a bust. They just needed one more piece.

by Sean D. (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 10:49pm

The Chargers gave up '98 1st rounder (Wadsworth) '99 1st rounder (Boston), '98 2nd rounder (Chavous), Eric Metcalf and Patrick Sapp to draft Ryan Leaf.

by Sean D. (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 11:03pm

Buffalo traded a '98 first rounder (Fred Taylor) and a '98 4th rounder (Tavian Banks) for Rob Johnson.

Atlanta gave up a future 1st rounder ('00, Jamal Lewis) to draft Reggie Kelly in the second round, but I guess they didn't know they'd get the 5th pick the next year.

Dallas traded for Joey Galloway for 2 first rounders that ended up being Shaun Alexander and Koren Robinson (plus Heath Evans and Dennis Norman a 1st rounder swap with SF).

Green Bay gave up Hasselback and a 1st rounder (Hutchinson) to pick Jamar Reynolds.

by Ryguy (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 11:14pm

Yeah, yeah, I had to ask the Doug Jolley question, I'm sorry. But a more important question is the one I asked about the divide between good and bad teams. Good chat too Aaron, it had a lot of interesting questions; and intriguing answers.

by Digit (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 12:38am

I suppose you could mention the #1 pick and #13 pick to Golden State for Robert Parish and the #3 pick that became Kevin McHale...

Oh wait, you mean NFL only. :D

by Jay B. (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 3:38am

Couple questions:

Let's assume that the NFL puts tracking chips into players' helmets as well as game balls. Let's further assume that whoever collects the resulting data makes it available to FO. Would that make it possible to make a realistic choice for a non-skill-position MVP?

What's the relative value per-play of offense, defense, and special teams (particularly as regards kickoffs, punts and coverage thereof)? I've contended in the past (well, maybe not here) that because special teams plays can make so much difference to the success or failure of offense or defense, that it makes sense to always have your best players in on STs, even your star QB, RB and WR, assuming they are good at STs in the first place. True?

by CaffeineMan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 5:08am

47-step drops... ha ha ha... :D

by Matt (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 5:34am

Just in the interest of full disclosure, because the 'Doug Jolley for a first round pick' thing gets brought up a lot, the actual trade was the Jet's first round pick (#26) for Doug Jolley AND a 2nd round pick (#47) and two 6th rounders. So it was actually Doug Jolley in exchange for moving down 21 spots. Obviously still a bad trade, but that's what it was.

(And yes, I realize that 2nd round pick was used on Mike Nugent.)

by Jerry F. (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 3:58pm

To make that Bears pick for Mirer worse, the Bears were going to get him for a second rounder, which would still have been decidedly in the Seahawks' favor, but Wannstedt and Co. were so excited about Mirer that the Seahawks upped the ante and the Bears still made the deal.