Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

03 Aug 2010

ESPN: Replacing Favre With Jackson

We have a story up for ESPN today on the effects of replacing Brett Favre with Tarvaris Jackson.

And yes, by request, we won't have an XP on the subject unless we hear official news.

Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 03 Aug 2010

17 comments, Last at 04 Aug 2010, 4:35pm by tuluse


by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 08/03/2010 - 1:42pm

Tavaris Jackson has never demonstrated an ability to use the entire field, so the Vikings immediately become much, much, easier for opposing defensive coordinators to scheme against. Tavaris Jackson has never been as accurate as a healthy Favre, so the Vikings offense immediately becomes less likely to make opposing defenses pay when the defense suffers a minor lapse.

I'd be mildly surprised if Favre does not play, but if the Vikings or their fans were strongly counting on a guy to play his 20th year as an NFL qb, they were nuts anyways.

by andrew :: Tue, 08/03/2010 - 1:56pm

Jackson is generally competent at running a play when all goes by design, and everyone is where they are supposed to be.

When things break down, not so much, and he shows remarkably bad judgement at times when trying to improvise or salvage a play.

He also is just about the worst play-action QB I have ever charted, he makes no effort to sell the action, I had to repeatedly watch plays to see if it was supposed to be play action, more by the path the running back took than anything Jackson did. You have to watch for a brief flex of his elbow to notice that he was supposed to be faking the handoff. Its as if he is too busy running the play through his head to worry about nuances like that.

He is pretty good at running with the ball, at least he was in 2008.

I can't read the article, so don't know if this stuff is covered (or countered) by it.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 08/03/2010 - 2:14pm

Jackson has decent speed, but he is not very elusive, and has poor instincts when deciding to run, which tends to offset his speed. Other than that, he is a fine runner.

by tuluse :: Tue, 08/03/2010 - 5:31pm

Other than that, how was the play Mrs Lincoln?

by t.d. :: Tue, 08/03/2010 - 1:59pm

They should do whatever they can to get him to reconsider. Personally, I've got Favre fatigue-fatigue. If you didn't want to read about whether he's coming back, you should've changed the channel.

by Basilicus (not verified) :: Tue, 08/03/2010 - 1:59pm

I'm sure Jeff George is available.

Are we sure that Sage Rosenfels won't get a look? He's consistently had higher completion percentages and yards per attempt than Jackson. Neither's a long-term solution, but I feel Rosenfels is a more complete quarterback and would be a better one-year stopgap. He also has the more appropriate skill set to take advantage of the Vikes' receivers.

Wasn't Rosenfels the one in line to start last year until Favre signed on?

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 08/03/2010 - 2:11pm

Rosenfels was AWFUL in pre-season, prior to Favre's arrival last year, and he has been worse with his reps so far this year, to the point that Jackson looks like a good qb by comparison. If Favre had not shown up last August, Jackson would have started.

by Basilicus (not verified) :: Tue, 08/03/2010 - 11:27pm

Not that there's a whole lot of TC material to work with, but Jackson's been awful, too. Part of it's that D, part of it's that half the O-line is laid up. By no means am I implying that either one is a "good" replacement, but Rosenfels has been a more dynamic QB in the past and I have more confidence in him to fit that offense than I do Jackson. If there's no Favre this year, either they'll stick with Jackson as a few-returns, Trent Dilfer-style game manager or Rosenfels will see time.

by Marko :: Tue, 08/03/2010 - 5:00pm

If Favre really does retire, he should have an hour-long special on ESPN to announce his decision. He could have Jim Gray ask him inane questions prior to the official announcement 27 minutes in, with Brett saying, "I'm taking my talents to South Beach. No, make that the Mississippi Gulf Coast." He should also become a spokesman for Waffle House.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 08/03/2010 - 5:32pm

I can see it now.......a stubbled waffle-gobbler.......surrounded by younger fellows, throwing him adoring looks, as he slides the syrup dispenser over to them, and then the fire sprinklers come one.....leaving them all dewy and grinning...

by justanothersteve :: Tue, 08/03/2010 - 8:26pm

Thanks Will. I so want to see this commercial.

by Arthur Pewty (not verified) :: Tue, 08/03/2010 - 6:00pm

I really think this is just a way to avoid training camp without expressly creating a double standard on the team. More than anything, it gives cover to Childress and management. Obviously, one of these days it's going to be for real, but last year it was almost the same scenario. People have this "Favre can't make up his mind" thing all wrong. He knows exactly what he wants.

by Jimmy :: Tue, 08/03/2010 - 7:33pm

Is this guy going to retire and unretire enough times to generate a sample size large enough for statistical analysis?

You could use it to generate the world's most annoying sports stats.

by jmaron :: Wed, 08/04/2010 - 10:02am

The endlessly hopeful Viking fan in me wants to see Favre back. But he's about to turn 41. I think there is a very good chance his performance will plummet even if he does come back.

I don't think Jackson showed anything when he played that suggested he would ever be a top flight QB. The team is very talented and plenty of bad QB's have taken their teams to the playoffs - even the Super Bowl (Dilfer).

I doubt it makes much difference which one plays.

by Basilicus (not verified) :: Wed, 08/04/2010 - 11:31am

This is true. Jackson vs. Rosenfels is like arguing between virgin daquiris and virgin margaritas. Ultimately, neither one's going to get the job done.

Jackson's the safe bet and Rosenfels is the higher-risk, higher-reward guy. It just depends on taste.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Wed, 08/04/2010 - 1:46pm

Yeah, I'm really going to try to avoid the whole Jackson vs. Rosenfels argument, if it comes to that. At least you get a cold drink with a virgin daquiri or virgin margarita. I'd say the choice is more akin to having an ingrown toenail on your right or left foot.

by tuluse :: Wed, 08/04/2010 - 4:35pm

Do QBs usually fall off a cliff?

I thought they generally aged more gracefully.

In recent years Brunell and McNair both went over the cliff, and just started checking down more and more.