Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

01 Oct 2013

ESPN: Future Bright for Browns

The Brian Hoyer experiment is likely to return mixed results, but so far the Mike Lombardi/Joe Banner plan has been executed to a T: the defense they worked on all offseason is dramatically improved, and they'll have two shots at a new franchise quarterback next April.

Posted by: Rivers McCown on 01 Oct 2013

11 comments, Last at 02 Oct 2013, 8:59pm by Zheng


by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 2:33pm

So Brian Hoyer is Taking the Browns to the Super Bowl?

Well, he is an amazing #2.

by herewegobrowniesherewego (not verified) :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 8:34pm

I am as excited as anyone about his success but know the odds are stacked against him turning out like such other UDFA's as Warner or even Romo, given that he could not beat out Charlie Batch last year, or for that matter Weeden/Campbell at the start of this year, and things will get harder once there is more film on him.

Even if you have Alex Smith or Drew Bledsoe, it is a good investment to look into Colin Kaepernick or Tom Brady.

by BJR :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 3:22pm

I can't read the article, but one of the clear reasons that the future is looking brighter for the Browns is the emergence of a dangerous duel receiving threat in Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron. The Browns now have some talent for their future franchise QB to throw to.

by herewegobrowniesherewego (not verified) :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 8:37pm

One of the reasons I've gotten away from most of Browns boards is the infighting between Heckert supporters vs. Lombardi/Banner supporters.

You've gotten at one of the reasons the former has to be given some credit, though, LOL.

Although rumors that Gordon may be traded because he is one screw-up away refuse to go away.

by dmstorm22 :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 9:35pm

Strangely, didn't Heckert work under Banner for years in Philly?

by herewegobrowniesherewego (not verified) :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 9:54pm

Yes, but they had a very adversarial relationship.

by Guido Merkens :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 3:27pm

If the Browns and Colts both continue to win, they might not have a good enough draft pick to get that franchise QB.

by drobviousso :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 4:00pm

Which would be a very Browns thing to do, sadly. Maybe Pittsburgh will keep tanking and trade their 1 first for Clevelands 2 firsts. Not likely, but I dream for a time when the Browns and Steelers are both good at the same time.

by herewegobrowniesherewego (not verified) :: Tue, 10/01/2013 - 8:32pm

2014 may have as much depth in quality QB prospects as 2004 and 2012, though, to say nothing of the chance of trading picks.

Even if on the top end of it there are questions about Bridgewater and Manziel that did not exist with RG3 and Luck, the possibility that the 6th quarterback taken is as good as Wilson certainly exists.

(Of course, it is also realistic that the 4th best QB taken is as good as Weeden. :/ )

by foxlies (not verified) :: Wed, 10/02/2013 - 8:58am

1]Trent Richardson hasn't learned to 'run to daylight';most evaluators call this an instinct but it can be coached+ learned; my guess is colts succeed w/ him
2]Bledsoe/Brady example is correct for wrong reasons.Bledsoe [at that stage of his career] was immobile ;Bradys exceptional mobility was reason why switch worked so well for Pats +
for them winning Super Bowls[just as more mobile Luck givesColts better chance than Manning would
3]Like Brady ,Hoyer spent time learning from Bellichik before debut;similarly Vikes have much better chance to win w/patriot trained Cassell, than Ponder[though Ponder seems like better athlete + may have higher ceiling than Cassell
4]Smith has good mobility which Reid uses to maximal effectiveness;he's a perfect fit for that offense;Kaepernick is once in generation type athlete;still niners might have won Super Bowl w/ Smith Still I must applaud courage of Harbaugh in making decision to switch ,as i do his brother Johns decision to fire Cameron for Caldwell[which I lauded at the time unlike most who merely jumped bandwagon ex post facto]Flacco has excellent aspects of mobility[see his combine short shuttle] which caldwell recognized;he's still coaching him up on how to use it
5]like Cassell, Hoyer learned to release ball quickly,thus he's better for his team[for now]than Weeden who may have higher ceiling...yes even at his age....re Cameron decision see nflalternative.com[ sorry you must scroll down to 4th page article headed 'Divisional Championships New england vs. Baltimore;apologies site is being reconstructed]

by Zheng :: Wed, 10/02/2013 - 8:59pm

What is Hoyer's LCF number? Anybody know?