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25 Sep 2012

Aaron Schatz on B.S. Report

My triumphant return to the B.S. Report, talking about the problems of the Steelers and Saints, the surprises of the NFC West, and of course REFPOCALYPSE.

Posted by: Aaron Schatz on 25 Sep 2012

17 comments, Last at 27 Sep 2012, 6:57am by nfl picks|nba picks


by dmstorm22 :: Tue, 09/25/2012 - 5:16pm

Can Bill just not talk about Peyton Manning ever. I almost cried in laughter when he asked if Julian Edelman is better than Eric Decker. No, Bill. He's not.

The stuff with Schatz was so, so much better than Bill and Lombardi.

by BigCheese :: Wed, 09/26/2012 - 2:16am

In other news, Chris Collinsworth is a better color commentator than Phil Simms, Jim Harbaugh is a better coach than Mike Singletary, and Peyton Manning is a better QB than Tim Tebow.

- Alvaro

Phil Simms is to analysts what Ryan Leaf is to NFL QBs

by db :: Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:39pm

Please, Leaf should rest in peace. DaCarcus Russel is the new , all time, standard of failure.

by Timekeeper (not verified) :: Wed, 09/26/2012 - 9:12am

When did he ask that? I need to hear this.

by Timekeeper (not verified) :: Wed, 09/26/2012 - 9:19am

Never mind, heard it. Happens with about 34 minutes left. Why does Lombardi not have enough pride to say, "Yes, Bill, Eric Decker is a much better WR than Julian Edelman"? I feel like if I had spent my life evaluating NFL players, I would have a hard time ignoring nonsense like that.

by RickD :: Tue, 09/25/2012 - 5:39pm

Bill gets the DVOA before we do!

by ptp (not verified) :: Tue, 09/25/2012 - 7:38pm

I'm probably being annoying with it at this point, but this narrative is downright silly. No, Packers fans don't get to feel like they got screwed any more than Seattle would if they'd lost. The touchdown catch wasn't even close to the worst call of the night, and both teams would have tons to complain about even if it had been called correctly.

by DisplacedPackerFan :: Tue, 09/25/2012 - 7:56pm


I'm pissed that I didn't get to see a decently called game between two good teams. GB got a TD because of a horrible DPI call. GB lost two ints because of bad calls (the end of game and the roughing the passer call against Walden). GB got away with a couple of holds. Seattle got away with couple of non calls on DPI and OPI. GB got away with a no call on a Charles Woodson DPI. There was more.

It was just called so inconsistently. I can live with bad judgement calls here and there, or bad judgement calls that are called consistently both ways, but at times things that were called a couple plays earlier weren't called, then they were called again later. It just felt random. The regular refs miss calls, and can be inconsistent, yes, but this just felt like the refs had no control and were just randomly flagging things. I may have been deprived a win, but I know I was deprived a valid game. I like to think that GB adjusted well enough at the half and played better and should have won, but as I've said elsewhere the flow of the game could have changed drastically on several different plays.

by Insancipitory :: Tue, 09/25/2012 - 10:04pm

This well officiated game isn't the standard. That's an aspirational ideal. Every now and then a officiating crew will make a great effort and step up, Mike Carey in Skins @ Buccs 2005 sticks in my head as the best officiated game I've ever seen, lots of difficult calls where I thought they got them all right. Games that well managed are rare. Often one team is clearly better that day, so we don't care as much.

As a Seahawks fan, this game is pretty much the standard. This is the officiating I've been used to for 30 years. It was off, but fundementally it wasn't going to be the deciding factor for the Seahawks, so I was accepting of the officating no matter the outcome.

You want the officating to be better, near field communications, sensor networks and machine vision breakthroughs. Humans presenting the machine determined results.

To have the whiner lable hung on Seahawks fans for YEARS, when this is the standard we've always been used to and only took note when it wass substantially worse than this, and to see this reaction. To have that call following Libya and the assassination of a diplomat on the national news, the height of insanity.

by Joshua Northey (not verified) :: Tue, 09/25/2012 - 9:54pm

Lombardi and Simmons just kill me. All over L. Fitzgerald a week after they were throwing dirt on him, going on and on about teams that have no chance because of their RBs...it is like conventional wisdom paloosa!

Lombardi might be a good scout (I have no idea), but he is just terrible at generic analysis, and Simmons own, which was never that great, just descends into madness when he is talking to Lombardi.

by dmstorm22 :: Wed, 09/26/2012 - 1:12am

I love how Lombardi said the Patriots were going to be the best run defense in the NFL before the season started. Then goes on and on about the lack of defense in Baltimore, but never even mentions that the Patriots gave up 500 yards to the Ravens, including over 100 on the ground.

He just contradicts earlier statements so, so much.

Plus, has Simmons even watched the Broncos this year. Yes, Manning hasn't looked perfect, but the arm looked fine against Denver. The defense he was playing was just really, really good.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:47am

At this point I only listen to Simmons talk about football only for entertainment and comedy value. When he talks to Cousin Sal, the comedy is mostly intentional. However, when he talks to Lombardi it descends into unintentional comedy.

-I'm not Billy Bad-Ass.

by dmstorm22 :: Wed, 09/26/2012 - 11:58am

I would so much rather have Cousin Sal host the show, and talk to Schatz.

First, he probably knows more football than Simmons and he doesn't even act like he knows more than he does. Sal is a real football fan. Simmons is a real fan too, but one who thinks he knows way more than he does, because of hours of 'research' which encompasses watching on multiple TVs.

by tuluse :: Wed, 09/26/2012 - 1:28pm

Lombardi is an awful scout. He values big plays over anything else, and is just very inconsistent and I've never heard him give insight about a player's prospects that one couldn't gleam from watching a 10 min highlight reel.

by dmstorm22 :: Wed, 09/26/2012 - 3:15pm

I really have to wonder if Bill actually thinks Lombardi is a good NFL analyst? Also, I really want to know who these people are that are clamoring for Lombardi's return to the BS Report?

I guess after having him on for three or four years it's hard to just cut ties, and Lombardi is someone who will "no doubt" Simmons BS all day long, but there are so many better people he could pick. How about having Jaworski (not that I agree with everything he says either).

Also, I'm pretty sure Lombardi raved about the Jets picking Shonn Greene before and during the 2009 season. Now that Greene's disappointed he's acting like he hated him all along.

by mm (old) (not verified) :: Tue, 09/25/2012 - 10:40pm

Through 3 games, Marques Colston is not playing well for the Saints. He's apparently fighting a foot injury, but he's dropped several passes and not been looked at much so far.

If you wanted to pick a top Saints player on offense so far, I'd pick Pierre Thomas or Darren Sproles.

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