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Week 11 SNF/MNF Discussion Thread

This thread is for discussion of action on the field during and after Week 11 Sunday Night Football between San Diego and Denver as well as Monday Night Football between Jacksonville and the New York Giants. Rocky Mountain Time Zone bias!

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Tue, 11/21/2006 - 1:48am

I can't spell.

by Sam! (not verified) :: Tue, 11/21/2006 - 1:49am

What QB in the NFC East is better than Tony Romo right now?

by G (not verified) :: Tue, 11/21/2006 - 1:50am

Carter should not be in the NFL

by Sam! (not verified) :: Tue, 11/21/2006 - 1:50am

Scott Starks (filling in for the injured Terry Cousin) strips the ball. Gerald Sensabaugh (filling in for the injuredd Donovin Darius) recovers.

by Dave (not verified) :: Tue, 11/21/2006 - 1:51am

i dont think amani toomer would have put that on the turf

by Dave (not verified) :: Tue, 11/21/2006 - 1:53am

nobody stripped that ball. carter gave it up willingly.

he's such a slut.

by G (not verified) :: Tue, 11/21/2006 - 1:53am

OK I get it. Tom Coughlin is a beautiful man, but He can't couch no MO!

by G (not verified) :: Tue, 11/21/2006 - 1:57am

And by couch I meant coach. Sorry....

by NF (not verified) :: Tue, 11/21/2006 - 1:58am

We must ignite this coach!

by rollo (not verified) :: Tue, 11/21/2006 - 2:05am

"There's Garrard, he's a winner....."

Aaaaugh. Did play well tonight though.

by Dean from Oz (not verified) :: Tue, 11/21/2006 - 2:21am

Anyone know where I can find 2 point conversion stats in the NFL on a year by year basis?

by Bencoder (not verified) :: Tue, 11/21/2006 - 3:04am

I think ESPN has become the epitomy of everything you would think they should hate.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Or something like that.

by MFurtek (not verified) :: Tue, 11/21/2006 - 10:32am

Which team was playing the 1st round QB last night?

ESPN is telling me not to worry about Eli because he was just having an inaccurate day, just like Favre.

I agree with whoever said the Giants are the suckiest sucks that ever sucked... they sucked, especially on offense. The run sucked, the pass sucked... and really after that what can you do?

I wanted to say "They gave up on the run"... but really, the run sucked!

by Andrew (not verified) :: Tue, 11/21/2006 - 11:15am

Wow! The Giants are a walking fiasco without Toomer, Strahan and Petitgout.

I cannot believe the Eagles just rolled over and played dead the last few games this season. They could have had this division in a cake-walk.

The NFC is a total mess.
Perhaps people will pay a little more attention to the ideas behind "The Bears Trend" article on long-term trends in football.


When the best team in the NFC, the Bears, has no offense absent a middling talent deep threat wideout (Berrian), when the 49ers can seriously challenege the Seahawks for a division title, when the supposed strongest division (NFC East) sees its two allegedly best teams in freefall, and when the Aints appear to have the inside track to winning the NFC South you know that the NFC is just a joke this year.

Which AFC team gets lucky and gets to take on this slop in a lopsided Super Bowl? I'm suggesting Baltimore or San Diego.

by B (not verified) :: Tue, 11/21/2006 - 11:24am

On the plus side, I think I figured out how to predict the Jaguars performance. At home against a team with a winning record, they play great. At home vs a team with a losing record, they play average. On the road vs a team with a winning record, they play above average. On the road vs a team with a losing record, they play terrible.

by Andrew (not verified) :: Tue, 11/21/2006 - 12:09pm

B #315:

How have the Jaguars beat the Giants, Cowboys, and Eagles, but lost to the Redskins?

How did they have a lights out defense against the first 3 great offenses, and a horrible defense against the latter terrible offense?

Wierd, wierd team.

by B (not verified) :: Tue, 11/21/2006 - 12:29pm

316: Giants and Cowboys were games against good teams at home, Eagles was a good team on the road, and the Redskins were a team with a losing record on the road. The Jags play better at home, and they ply better against good competition. They've lost all their road games except Philly, and won all their home games except Houston.

by B (not verified) :: Tue, 11/21/2006 - 12:33pm

Note, if my analysis is correct, They will lose at Buffalo, Miami and Tennessee, but win vs Indy and New England. The final game at KC could go either way, so I'm predicting a tie.

by bowman (not verified) :: Tue, 11/21/2006 - 12:42pm

315. It's easier to gauge the Jaguar's performance by how much "respect" they are getting in the national media. When everybody expects them to crust an opponent, they lay an egg. When the media focuses on the other team exclusively, they play well. The only exceptions so far has been TEN, and perhaps NYJ.

If the Jaguars are given "respect" by the ESPN croud next week, they'll lose. If vegas thinks the Jags will win by more than 3, they'll lose.

by B (not verified) :: Tue, 11/21/2006 - 12:58pm

319: So we're agreed, the Jags will lose next week. I say they'll follow it up with a loss in Miami, but you think they'll win , after the national media turns on them for their loss in Buffalo.

by Sam! (not verified) :: Tue, 11/21/2006 - 3:27pm

Washington came into the game with a great gameplan (attack the linebackers with outside runs, dump-off passes and screens) and a blown coverage in sudden-death overtime.

In the first Texans' loss, it was the same problem on defense. The linebackers, however, are improving. Daryl Smith is getting better playing in the middle (which he did all throughout college but played exclusively OLB in pro ball) and rookie OLB Clint Ingram is still learning. The Jags' couldn't get the ball in the endzone against the Colts, and gave up the huge Punt Return-TD.

The Houston home loss is solely the fault of Matt Jones. If he simply drops two passes instead of missing them completely, they don't turn into interceptions. The fact that Jax turned the ball over 4 times (several times in their own territory) and the D only gave up 13 points is pretty good.

Basically, I'm saying it's not like they melt down against inferior foes. There have been breakdowns in specific areas and those areas are improving. They beat Buffalo next week and Miami after that.

by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 11/23/2006 - 10:46am

Jags are only favored by 3 though!