Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

Week 2 Open Game Discussion

Here's the thread for open discussion of all Week 2 NFL's games, starting on Thursday night with Houston at Cincinnati, then going all day Sunday, and ending with Detroit at the New York Giants on Monday Night Football.

Because of issues we are having with spam on the message boards, we're going to try something new (that's actually something very old) and host the open discussion with a standard FO post instead this week. Please let us know if this creates problems because of server slowness.


by Theo :: Thu, 09/14/2017 - 8:34pm

Cinci going small ball to get Dalton comfortable I guess? They opened up the Steelers screens playbook.

by Theo :: Thu, 09/14/2017 - 9:04pm

Random question: how do you make your best coffee?
I still prefer to grind beans and use a percolator.

by Cythammer :: Thu, 09/14/2017 - 10:49pm

I basically switched to tea because coffee has too much caffeine, but when I drank it every day I used an AeroPress.

by deus01 :: Fri, 09/15/2017 - 9:58am

Aeropress is fantastic. I use it at work with my own beans instead of the crappy work coffee. I only have one minor concern which is that it's a hard plastic exposed to hot water, I would prefer if they could make it out of something like stainless.

by ChrisS :: Fri, 09/15/2017 - 1:10pm

Aeropress is great at work, makes great single serve cups of coffee with easy clean up. At home fresh beans are paramount so get a good burr grinder, combine this with any decent drip maker and decent beans and you are good to go.

by deus01 :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 12:09pm

Yeah, I have a Capresso Infinity Conical Burr grinder, which has pretty good performance for the price. I also use pour over because I don't want to keep a machine on my counter. For work I'll often grind beans at home and put them in an air tight container. I do have a hand grinder at work which works well but I'm usually too lazy to use it.

by nat :: Fri, 09/15/2017 - 9:28am

Grind beans, French press.

by LionInAZ :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 11:37pm

Grind beans, cold brew in French press is by far the best.

by Aaron Schatz :: Thu, 09/14/2017 - 9:19pm

I can't tell if people are having trouble with this format of open discussion or if it's just that nobody cares about this game.

by Will Allen :: Thu, 09/14/2017 - 9:23pm

Its the game.

by LionInAZ :: Sat, 09/16/2017 - 8:40pm

I don't waste my money on NFL Network, but definitely it's usually the game.

by BJR :: Thu, 09/14/2017 - 9:35pm

Watson looks horrendously out of his depth. Not sure what's happened to Dalton though.

by Cogitus :: Thu, 09/14/2017 - 9:38pm

Both these teams are pitiful and so is Thursday night football as a concept

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 2:05pm

I wonder, is this opinion common among the lowest common denominator sports fan? Or just among the kind of "thinking fan" that reads FO?

by sjcellist :: Thu, 09/14/2017 - 9:53pm

At the 2 minute warning I was preparing to post a comment that both of these teams appear to be playing down to the level of their competition. This may still be true, but at least something happened to slightly offset the previous 28 minutes of this "game".

by rfh1001 :: Fri, 09/15/2017 - 8:20am

Bernard, Hill and Mixon is the kind of backfield that instantly makes me wonder which one of them will be picking up a Championship Ring with the Patriots in 2019.

by nlitwinetz :: Fri, 09/15/2017 - 8:44am

Yeah, I am scratching my head about the Mixon pick. Bernard is a great back, he can catch passes and has the agility to make players miss in space. Hill is a between the tackles bruiser. It seems like they already had the thunder and lightning combination required for a complete backfield. Then they pick up Mixon...I don't doubt he is talented but this is a team that didn't need another RB. Maybe they should have worked on fixing up the O-line instead.

by Mike B. In Va :: Fri, 09/15/2017 - 1:22pm

The logic was probably 1.) Not knowing for sure if Bernard would be back at the start of the season, and 2.) they have no confidence in Hill, it seems.

by roguerouge :: Fri, 09/15/2017 - 8:32am

Was Watson as bad as some are describing him? Was he really just staring down his first option each play?

by nlitwinetz :: Fri, 09/15/2017 - 8:39am

From what I saw...yes. He stared down his read and pulled his eyes down quickly when his first read wasn't open.
The only two things that salvaged the game was Hopkins ability to get open every play and the scramble that lead to a TD.
There were also a couple dropped TAINTs that could have made this ugly.

by sbond101 :: Fri, 09/15/2017 - 8:46am

I watched about 3/4 of this game. Going in I was really curious how Tom Savage beats out someone in training camp; after watching the first half of that game I'm not wondering that anymore. That this game didn't end up being decided by a defensive score was really kind of a shock after watching Watson & Daltons first couple of series.

by Al Hirt Hologram :: Fri, 09/15/2017 - 8:55am

So we probably won't have the ancient tradition of Cincinnati at Houston on Wild Card Saturday this time.

by Cheesehead_Canuck :: Fri, 09/15/2017 - 9:33am

I watched long enough to make sure I got my Lamar Miller over 17.5 receiving yards prop...

by Theo :: Fri, 09/15/2017 - 1:39pm

Trying to re-watch this game - they said the Texans dressed only 3 wide receivers.
That seems like a low number. Don't teams normally dress 5?
I was actually wondering about an average buildup of an 53-men NFL roster.

by Raiderjoe :: Sat, 09/16/2017 - 9:09am

yws, five wideouts is typical

Texans would have used five but ellington and fuller were not healthy.

by ChrisLong :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 10:16am

If both Bulaga and Bahktiari are out, the Packers are doomed.

by DisplacedPackerFan :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 8:29pm

They are doomed. They also have no back-ups with any experience with Spriggs and Barclay injured as well (not that they were all that great but at least they have some experience). Since McCarthy never gives help to his tackles, even if they tried practicing to so, you'll be having players that aren't used to helping trying to do so as well. Oh well, I wasn't sure they could win this game with everyone healthy.

by DisplacedPackerFan :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 9:37pm

The defense giving up 7.4 yards per play with 10 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter has been a much bigger problem than the starting tackles....

Losing Daniels on the D-line to injury doesn't help, but Atlanta doesn't exactly have great offensive tackles in the game either.

by DisplacedPackerFan :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 10:17pm

I think we are going to witness the 7th game where a Capers defense gives up over 500 yards.

by joe football :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 10:48am

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by deus01 :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 12:09pm

Bradford is out this week. Sucks for the Vikes.

by BJR :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 2:42pm

It's worrying. Though I wonder whether the Vikings coaching staff looked at this fixture - an out of conference road game, on a short week, against a very strong opponent - and really erred on the side of caution. If there's a game to drop early in the season, it's this one.

by Cythammer :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 1:21pm

On the first drive of the game Alex Smith hits Kelce for a long pass down the sideline. Maybe he really is becoming a more aggressive QB.

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 2:00pm

Tony Romo is already the best commentater this side of Cris Collinsworth (who I think has been going downhill for a couple years now), so Romo might well be the best on Sundays period.

But what's wrong with his voice? It has no bass whatsoever to it! I'm certain that the expensive mics they use would pick it up, if it ws there.

by Theo :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 2:56pm

Yeah Romo was great - lots of knowledge and entertaining. "I bet you 5 dollars it's a run to the left"
They run left.
"what did you see to think it was a run left?"
"I saw 15 years of NFL football"

by Athelas :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 3:11pm

For some reason he sounds like Jay Glazer to me.

by roguerouge :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 4:03pm

He seems to be calling out the plays a bit less today, though. Not sure why? Maybe bosses want suspense in game?

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 4:37pm

Well that would be stupid (so I'm afraid you could be right). I think it creates MORE suspense, because you're waiting to see if he was right!

by xydux :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 2:20pm

So, I have no access to a television, and am looking at the NFL GameCenter, so could somebody answer a couple of questions for me?

1. What the HECK is going on in Jacksonville? Lots of similar looking stats on each side.

2. How did the Titans get the ball? It's not showing a turnover or a punt or a failed fourth down; it's just "1st and 25, Jacksonville" followed by "2nd and 7, Tennessee." What's the story there?

by RedZone :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 2:42pm

It now shows that Bortles was intercepted on 2nd & 25. The subsequent first down play still seems to be missing, but I guess TEN gained 3 yards somehow.

by xydux :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 3:11pm

Thanks! I was wondering what happened there.

Now Tennessee has pulled away, rendering my first question moot.

by Cythammer :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 2:22pm

A completely absurd long completion for the Eagles. A deep pass that should've been picked easily, but instead the defender pops the ball way up in the air as if he was trying to set up a volleyball spike. Zach Ertz is able to catch the ball on the carom without even breaking stride. But he's run down short of the end zone with 2 seconds left, and the ensuing field goal attempt is missed.

by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 2:51pm

Terrance Mitchell didn't know whwre ba ll was and it just happened to hit his arm

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 3:03pm

So sad that we're deprived of a whole year of Eric Berry in his prime. AGAIN

by Theo :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 2:52pm

3rd and very long - play action (that no one buys) and then a pass well short of the sticks.
Pittsburgh HaleyBall is in full force.

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 3:18pm

The Pats have a Soldier and a Cannon on their o-line. How has this not resulted in some good squad nicknames? Like I don't know, the Grunts? Instead of a pocket, maybe Brady works in the Theatre of Operations? Or the Combat Zone? I bet somebody can think of something funnier

by roguerouge :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 4:11pm

Brady passes from the Fortress of Solitude?

by justanothersteve :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 3:33pm

Bears down 29-0 and in the red zone with about 10 minutes to go. Glennon throws well short of the first down on third and fourth down to covered receivers. Both receivers dropped the ball, but those were bad decisions regardless. I don't think Glennon even looked to the end zone. The team is going to lose anyway. Why not put in Trubinsky and see what he can do. Even if it's a bit worse, he can learn from the situation.

by justanothersteve :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 7:06pm


by BJR :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 3:43pm

Time to start ringing the alarm bells about Cam Newton? Taken several brutal sacks and been horribly inaccurate at times today.

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 4:29pm

Aikman: what impresses me about Prescott is he just doesn't turn the ball over

*rubs hands together sinisterly* excellent, I will enjoy seeing Denver's defense make an idiot out of Aikman

by Guest789 :: Mon, 09/18/2017 - 9:52am

Are... are you psychic?

by JIPanick :: Mon, 09/18/2017 - 9:09pm

There was a trip drill that was on Dez, not Prescott, and a meaningless pick-6 on a 4th down with a minute left in a 3 score game. They hardly made Aikman look like an idiot.

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 5:53pm

So what players have stood out to you all so far for their performance early?

Obviously RB Kareem Hunt in KC
LB Zach Brown and CB Josh Norman look like all-pros in WAS
QB Trevor Siemian in DEN has been really impressive so far.

Terrelle Pryor hasn't impressed at WR so far in WAS. He's doing things like stretching the ball forward precariously while getting tackled, risking a fumble for the dubious benefit of an extra yard on a 5 yard gain on 1st and 10.

WAS RB Chris Thompson is picking up the slack for him though

by roguerouge :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 6:38pm

Despite National Jump to Conclusions week, Brady looked absolutely fine week 2 vs. a defense that's now confirmed as terrible. Concerning, however, is an injury stack at receiver: Hogan was dinged up, Burkhead (now a slot guy for them) left after a half, Gronk missed time with a groin injury, and there's the already missing: Edelman, Amendola, and Mitchell. They still have talent at receiver, but there's little depth and few WRs.

by deus01 :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 6:34pm

So far the Denver offense is looking much better with McCoy calling plays instead of Kubiak.

by MarkV :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 6:44pm

Officiating questions from watching Denver v Dallas.
It really looked to me like the Dez touchdown was OPI - is there something I am missing in the rule.
It also looked like at least two different blocks in the back didn't get called (one on the anderson TD pass, one on the punt), is the officiating missing these or is there something in the rule I don't understand?

Thanks for any help

by BJR :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 7:15pm

Trevor Siemian good, or Dallas defence just bad/injured?

by TimK :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 8:27pm

Better OL in front of him and more imaginative play calling seems to be helping Siemian. If Bolles is as badly injured as he might be though the first part of that sentence could be history already. With the number of bad QBs wrecking teams at the moment someone who can play well enough with a decent supporting cast can look good, and Dallas' defence is not the team's strengths. Still as a Bronco's fan this season is looking more hopefully than last (and for the future wth players like Gotsis starting to show up as well). Of course Bolles seeming a competent OT has helped that feeling, so hope it isn't a season ending injury.

by Denverite :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 9:06pm

He's a smart kid with an arm that's not great but still is average or maybe a tiny bit better. Those kind of players have a chance in the NFL. Most of them crap out, but of the Mount Rushmore of QBs, at least two of them (Brady and Montana) meet that description to a tee. The biggest problem with him right now is he just hasn't played a lot of football, at least as a full time starter. I'm not sure if he's even started 30 games since high school, and maybe not even 25.

If you put him with a decent line and give him weapons, he's going to look like an above average NFL QB with room to grow. At least that's what Kubiak saw when he plucked him from the trash heap. It's hard to say he's wrong 16 games in.

by BJR :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 9:52pm

Pairing him with an all-time great defense isn't harming matters either.

by Denverite :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 9:05pm

[wrong place]

by RaiderJ77 :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 10:02pm

Wonder how the Chik-Fil-A is tonight?

by Cheesehead_Canuck :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 10:29pm

Despite the phantom pick call on Bennett, GB can't do anything right tonight and like most weeks, they're being completely outcoached. How long can Capers possibly last?!

by justanothersteve :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 10:29pm

I'm not sure I can make it to the finish of tonight's game. It's been brutal from a Packers perspective.

by Cythammer :: Sun, 09/17/2017 - 10:40pm

The way this game is going and the way the Bears-Bucs game went earlier today makes the closeness of that Bears-Falcons game last week seem quite weird.

by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Mon, 09/18/2017 - 8:31am

On one hand, the Arizona-Indy game concerns me as a Detroit fan, because Arizona can't score against Indy's defense.

On the other hand, the Dallas-Denver game warms my heart, because Dallas's d-line isn't getting much rush, which tells me the NYG line actually is that bad.

It will be the battle of the stoppable vs the vincible.

by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Mon, 09/18/2017 - 8:35am

When did Mike Glennon become Blake Bortles?

NC State wishes this has happened when he was still in college.

by Theo :: Mon, 09/18/2017 - 4:14pm

The new Falcon stadium looks really beautiful - and I got to say the lighting on the players looks different.
I guess that's what a buck 60 gets you.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Mon, 09/18/2017 - 9:31pm

Watching the Giants offensive line trying to pass protect on 7 step drops is high comedy

by DEW :: Mon, 09/18/2017 - 11:05pm

I hate whining about the officials, but as someone who has no favorite teams in this game, there have been a lot of dubious calls in favor of the Giants. Three uncalled cheap shots (Stafford getting poked in the eye by Kennard, then Kennard taking a two-step running start after Stafford threw the ball before cleaning him out, then Davis getting concussed from behind on an uncalled illegal block), the most recent immediately followed by a spot that gave the Giants an extra half-yard before replay, and while I think the uncalled hit on Stafford's slide that Lang got angry over was a good no-call, well, Lang came over from Green Bay and Rodgers would have drawn a flag. Officials aren't perfect, but it would be nice to see the bad calls go both ways.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Mon, 09/18/2017 - 11:16pm

At the risk of sounding like a homer, could not agree more. For once, my favorite team has a commanding lead, so I have the luxury of not stressing about it too much. If the Giants actually had on offensive line, and this game were closer, I would be apoplectic.

by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Mon, 09/18/2017 - 11:21pm

The Lions running the ball is a weird mix of disastrous failure and big plays. It's like the Bollywood version of the Sanders Lions.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Mon, 09/18/2017 - 11:24pm

Lol. At least the quarterback is better

by BJR :: Mon, 09/18/2017 - 11:23pm

If there's one positive to come out of tonight for the Giants, it's that Eli has shown he can still stand in there and take a beating. It won't look pretty by DVOA/DYAR, but I think I'm actually higher on him now than I was before the game.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Mon, 09/18/2017 - 11:30pm

I've never thought that much of him recently, but none of this of this is Eli's fault. The Giants offense is neutered by the fact that their offensive line can't hold blocks for more than 2.5 seconds

by BJR :: Tue, 09/19/2017 - 12:05am

I'm confident that we have seen the last of him as an above average QB. But he's still tough; the assault he was under tonight would have lead to a truly apocalyptic type of game for many QBs.

by Cheesehead_Canuck :: Tue, 09/19/2017 - 9:14am

Well, crap. I was banking on the Lions regressing based on their ridiculous number of late game comebacks last season (and poor DVOA overall)... but they have looked better than the Packers after 1/8 of the season.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Tue, 09/19/2017 - 10:22am

Well the Packers have played two of the best teams in the NFC, and the Lions have played what appear to be two of the worst. I wouldn't start worrying quite yet.

by LionInAZ :: Tue, 09/19/2017 - 9:43pm

I wouldn't have called the Cards one of the worst teams, despite their problems on offense; in fact, I don't think they're so much worse than the Seahawks.I would say, on the other hand, that the Lions have won despite bad calls while the Packers have benefited from horrible calls. GB could easily be 0-2.

The Lions game against ATL next week will be telling.