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30 Sep 2015

Scramble for the Ball: Coaches, Chowder and Cowboys

by Andrew Healy and Sterling Xie

Andrew: I want to start with Chuck Pagano. First, he seems like a very nice man. Second, he sure got emotional after coming back to beat the previously 2-14 Titans. What other famous speech did Pagano's postgame tent-raiser make you think of?

Sterling: Not sure, but I'm almost certain Shia LaBeouf will be giving the exact same speech in roughly 30 years.

Andrew: The correct answer is Matt Foley. And since that also predates your existence, you may need to watch this. Seriously, put 80 pounds on Pagano and have him pull on those belt loops while he's saying "YOU CAN DO ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO DO! ANYTHING!" and you could see him living in a van down by the river.

Sterling: So I guess references from the past 20 years are still banned, huh?

Andrew: I'm dubious that you can find something that good from the last 20 years and I'm dubious about Pagano's future. Pagano may have felt his job slipping away, which would help to explain the depth of his reaction. But I'm not sure it's that crazy Pagano's job should be in jeopardy, even with the holes on the offensive line and the defense. He looks like a lost puppy on the sidelines during games. Even when it's obvious they're going to kick the extra point, he does the aggressive one-finger waggle that seems to suggest he just invented the extra point.

They were ahead 13-0 after the defensive touchdown. Everyone knows you're kicking there, Chuck.

"Puppy" seems like just the word to discuss Pagano, and that's not a good thing.

All right, lightning round time. Let's describe every coach with one word. I'll take the South and North divisions, you take the Easts and Wests. Here's my list:

AFC South
Chuck Pagano: Puppy
Ken Whisenhunt: Composed
Bill O'Brien: Brady-reprimander
Gus Bradley: Bortles-limited

AFC North
Marvin Lewis: Resilient
Mike Tomlin: Confident
John Harbaugh: Play-saver
Mike Pettine: Rexy

NFC South
Dan Quinn: Promising
Ron Rivera: Riverboat
Sean Payton: Quicksand
Lovie Smith: VHS

NFC North
Mike McCarthy: Rodgers-aided
Mike Zimmer: Versatility
Jim Caldwell: Postmaster
John Fox: VHS

Sterling: I would think of unique adjectives like you, but I haven't eaten in roughly 12 hours and food is on my mind. So here's my list:

AFC East
Bill Belichick: New England clam chowder
Todd Bowles: Corn chowder
Rex Ryan: Manhattan clam chowder
Joe Philbin: Fish chowder

AFC West
Gary Kubiak: Steak fries
Jack Del Rio: Home fries
Mike McCoy: Curly fries
Andy Reid: All the fries

NFC East
Tom Coughlin: Old Fashioned
Jay Gruden: Keystone Light
Jason Garrett: Iced tea
Chip Kelly: Kale smoothie

NFC West
Bruce Arians: In-N-Out Burger
Pete Carroll: Five Guys Burger
Jeff Fisher: White Castle Burger
Jim Tomsula: McDonald's Burger

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to meet Rex for a, uh, snack.

Andrew: Oh, I do love that Hard Knocks bit. See, there's a reference from the last 20 years I like.

I generally think it's very hard to bet on first coach fired, but here are the leading contenders with their odds on sportsbook.ag. Here, +240 means that you win $240 on a $100 bet.

Joe Philbin, +240
Chuck Pagano, +500
Jim Caldwell, +500
Mike Pettine, +700
Jay Gruden, +800
Ken Whisenhunt, +1,000
Tom Coughlin, +1,000
Gus Bradley, +1,500
Lovie Smith, +1,500
Sean Payton, +1,500
Bill O'Brien, +2,500
Jim Tomsula, +3,000
John Fox, +5,000
John Harbaugh, +5,000
Mike McCoy, +5,000

Philbin and Pagano seem like good leaders at the 3/16-pole to me. Do you like any of these as bets?

Sterling: Philbin makes a ton of sense to me if the Dolphins lay an egg in London this week with the bye looming afterwards. Can't imagine it would be a real comfortable 10-hour plane ride for Philbin.

I think Gus Bradley is a sneaky candidate here, even though it seems like he has a generally favorable public perception. Part of that certainly stems from Bradley taking over a team that was practically a mid-tier SEC squad in 2013. But no team has a worse record (7-25) or point differential (-407) over the past two seasons, and the Blake Bortles wagon to which Bradley hitched his ride seems headed off the tracks. Shad Khan had a quick trigger with his first hire, firing Mike Mularkey after just one season. If the 2015 Jags look like the 2013 and 2014 versions by midseason, who's to say Bradley doesn't get the axe?

Andrew: It seems unlikely to me that the Jaguars would pull the trigger midseason, but those are great points. A dumpster fire for a team with high expectations (e.g., the Dolphins) or an unpredictable owner (e.g., the Colts) seem like the best candidates. Sean Payton feels like the best bet to me at 15/1, since the Saints seem to have potential for fitting in the Dolphins' category. And like the Dolphins, the depth problems mean the floor is low.

Sterling: I feel like Mickey Loomis would be the scapegoat there before Payton due to the radioactive cap situation he's created, but if the end of the Drew Brees era really is upon us, it might make some sense to cut ties with Payton (especially if New Orleans brings in a new general manager). Unlike Philbin or Bradley, though, you can bet there would be a bunch of teams knocking on Payton's door if the Saints let him go.

Andrew: Yes, Payton could have a job next year if he wanted it and could probably pick his spot. I think Bradley's previous success as a coordinator means that we could eventually see him again after some success back in his old job. Very hard to see Philbin getting another head coaching gig ever again, on the other hand. The best point on his resume was offensive success on a team with Aaron Rodgers and an offensive head coach. And, if Cian Fahey is right, much of the Dolphins' failures can be pinned on Philbin. Still, it will take a few more weeks for the walls to be revealed as fully caved in. I think we won't see Philbin or any coach fired until Week 10.

Sterling: I'm not nearly as optimistic as you there. Maybe this is an overreaction, but after 51 games, I think we know what to expect from Philbin. Last year, Oakland fired Dennis Allen after a dismal London showing against the Dolphins. I obviously wish no ill will on Philbin, but I could easily envision the tables turning on him in that scenario this year. Though it's certainly not unfeasible to me that Miami turns its season around, a team that mortgages its future for one season doesn't seem likely to remain particularly patient. So I'll say after Week 4 is when Philbin becomes the first coach fired.

Andrew: OK, let's make this sporting. First coach gets fired before Week 7 and you win this one. After Week 7, I do. If we called it exactly, we split the dollar down the middle. I already don't feel good about it since any of the guys we discussed could be gone by then, but let's go with it. The usual amount, Mortimer?

Sterling: Someday, I will look up the film's response to that line. Today is not that day.

Advanced Stat O' The Week

Miami Defensive DVOA: 11.3% (ranked 27th)

After paying Ndamukong Suh $114 million for six years ($60 million guaranteed), the Dolphins at least figured their top-heavy defense would be good early in the year before depth became a bigger issue. A fast start was particularly likely given that the first three weeks featured games against the Redskins, Jaguars, and Bills. As bad as the present is, the future looks even worse. Suh's cap hit goes from $6.1 million this year to an unmanageable $28.6 million next year.

G.O.A.T. of the Week

If you're an unlucky Dez Bryant or Drew Brees owner, or nervously holding on to Jeremy Hill or DeMarco Murray, you know the importance of hitting the waiver wire jackpot. Right around the end of September is when we typically see the best waiver wire pickups of the year emerge -- think Odell Beckham Jr. in 2014 or Josh Gordon in 2013 -- and last week's scoring leader might have exposed one of this year's top breakouts.

Nothing reassures a fantasy owner like backfield clarity, and Devonta Freeman (37 points) was this week's runaway MVP, outscoring the next highest-scoring running back (Chris Johnson) by 10 points. Rookie Tevin Coleman out-touched Freeman 20 to 13 in Atlanta's Week 1 game, the only contest where both have stayed healthy from beginning to end, but Freeman was also getting his feet wet after missing essentially the entire preseason with a hamstring injury. Team-issued depth charts aren't really worth the paper they're printed on, but for what it's worth, Freeman did apparently pass Coleman after his monster effort against Dallas. Either way, the Falcons face just one run defense ranked in the top half of our current VOA rankings (Washington in Week 5), so Freeman looks safe to roll with no matter what.

Goat of the Week

Those who started Freeman last week rejoiced, but others might have kicked themselves after benching underperforming mid-round draft picks such as Jeremy Maclin or Joseph Randle. It's always bad to see a high draft pick bust, but at least you can move forward with some degree of certainty after a few weeks. It's almost worse when a player instills a crippling case of DeSean Jackson Syndrome in his owners, effectively forcing them to set their lineups with Harvey Dent logic.

For that, we're shining the spotlight this week on Keenan Allen, whose estimable route-running and WR1 role in a solid San Diego offense somehow have not translated to consistent week-to-week fantasy production. Allen has scored 16, -1, and 25 points over the first three weeks in ESPN standard scoring formats, which has added up to a top-15 fantasy scorer. That would obviously be a nice bounceback after Allen finished a disappointing 48th at the position last season, and Allen only had one such stretch last season when he similarly teased owners (6, 12, 24, and 0 from Weeks 11 to 14).

Unfortunately, not indicators suggest greater consistency in Allen's future. Targets have always been a problem for him; apart from one glorious six-game stretch from Weeks 7 to 13 last year, Allen has never strung together three consecutive games with at least seven targets. When he crashes, he tends to crash hard: Since the start of the 2014 season, Allen has had nearly as many games where he exceeded 100 receiving yards (five) as games where he was held to under 20 receiving yards (four), a range that happens to include every game this season.

Allen was a little unlucky in the red zone last year, receiving 13 targets but scoring just twice. Among players with at least as many red zone targets in 2014, only Zach Ertz and the historically inefficient Cecil Shorts scored fewer times. Conversely, in his rookie season, Allen turned caught just seven of 21 red zone targets, but somehow scored six times. Allen is 1-for-3 in converting red zone targets to touchdowns this season; if he can split the difference between his wildly lucky 2013 season and unlucky 2014 season, he should be a usable WR2 or flex play. Good luck figuring out when to deploy him, though.

Loser League Update

Quarterback: Not even junk time could save Colin Kaepernick this week, who turned in 4 Loser League points in a career-high four-interception performance against Arizona. Kaepernick's rushing value (46 yards, 1 touchdown) was the only thing keeping him in the red, as his passing alone would have been good for -5 LL points. Kaepernick's Week 3 isn't even the worst Loser League QB showing of the year -- Joe Flacco and Derek Carr were both worse in Week 1 -- but it'll be tough for anyone to "top" Kap based on passing numbers alone.

Running Back: C.J. Anderson's first-round draft status continues to scare away Loser League owners; none of the top-five scoring teams from this past week included the Broncos running back in their lineup. But with a grand total of 6 (!) LL points this season, Anderson continues to get just enough carries to avoid the 15-point penalty while maintaining a wildly inefficient rate. Denver will either rest the dinged-up Anderson or hand over the backfield to Ronnie Hillman at some point, but until then, Anderson remains a surprisingly great Loser League option.

Wide Receiver: Nine receivers posted goose eggs this week, but perhaps surprisingly, none have overlapped with the seven zero heroes from Week 2 or four from Week 1. The Eagles saw Nelson Agholor and Miles Austin each receive four targets but catch none of them, joining Greg Jennings (0-for-5 in Week 2) as the only players to receive more than the minimum three targets yet still fail to reel in a reception.

Kicker: Kyle Brindza posted the best Loser League performance of the year, accumulating -8 points while missing three of his four field goals and his only extra point attempt. Brindza clearly has a monster leg, as his only converted kick was from 58 yards out, but since the Loser League doesn't give bonus points for longer field goals like normal fantasy leagues, strong-legged-yet-erratic kickers are absolute gold in this format.

You can see the full Week 3 results and season standings here.

Super Huge Mega Lock of the Week

Jets (-1.5) over Dolphins (in London)

Andrew: So we're off to a slow start with these weekly picks. And I really haven't been terribly close the last two weeks. The Browns won by 14 as a one-point underdog in Week 2. The Bengals won by four as 2.5-point underdogs in a game that they dominated more than the scoreline would suggest. Now I'm going with another small favorite, but this time we'll have some more stats and fewer hunches.

Apparently, all the movie trips and offseason good feelings have not changed the situation for Joe Philbin and the Dolphins on the field. The problems in Miami could get much worse. Their schedule is about as back-heavy as could be, and their roster is paper-thin. The depth chart in the secondary depended entirely on no dropoff from 32-year-old corner Brent Grimes, when it was possible that he would have his dropping-off-a-cliff season. Drafting a first-round corner would have filled a need more than the wide receiver many clamored for. So far, the plan at corner has not worked. On 16 targets, the No. 1 wideouts who the Dolphins have faced have posted a 97.5% DVOA. Against the other teams those receivers have faced, their DVOA is just -20.8%.

More advanced stats back up the Jets as the better choice here. The gap between the Jets and Dolphins this year has been bigger than 2-1 versus 1-2. The Jets rank ninth with a DVOA of 18.5%, while the Dolphins are 26th at -27.9%. I feel pretty good about this one even with Darrelle Revis hobbled a bit.

Cinemax Presents Exotic Propositions

PASS (and maybe pass on teasers with new extra point rule)

Andrew: After Week 1, I liked Denver at even money to win the AFC West and Todd Bowles at +1,800 to be Coach of the Year. Each of those seemed like good value. This week, no bet has the right price.

So this week, I want to use this space to throw out some ideas on how the new extra point rule could influence betting. In the past, I have often looked for teasers where you could tease teams across the crucial thresholds of three and seven points. These kinds of bets, known as Wong teasers involve putting two teams together and getting six points shaved off the spread for each. Last week, for example, I considered putting together the Packers (who would have gone from -7 to -1) and the Bills (who would have gone from +2.5 to +8.5).

These bets, which were the rare case of profitable plays in the past, have become harder to find as sportsbooks have adjusted how they set the lines. For example, what might have been an 8.5-point line in the past could go off at nine now, with the vigorish adjusted accordingly.

And now, with the new extra point rule, it will likely happen only rarely that I will find a teaser worth pursuing. The three- and seven-point thresholds mean less now that teams are often missing an extra point in a game. At the current rate of success, a game with six touchdowns will feature at least one missed extra point 31 percent of the time. That's enough to perhaps negate the advantages of a Wong teaser, which relies on these clear thresholds. We are a long ways from the halcyon days before the two-point conversion when games reliably ended in recognizable point differences.


Have fantasy or betting questions? Send them to scramble@footballoutsiders.com and have your question appear in next week's mailbag!

Tony Romo is in a sling. Dez Bryant is in a boot. DeMarco Murray is shooting death stares at Sam Bradford in Philly. In short, America's Team has lost its (and the NFL's) top passer and rusher, as well as its top receiver. Historically, how have teams performed after such decimation? And what are the revised expectations for the Cowboys this year?

Also, here are South Park's takes on your hero QB:
Part 1
Part 2

-- Ed, Washington, DC

Andrew: There's not much precedent for an offense losing its top quarterback, top running back, and top wide receiver from the previous season. There's even less precedent for good offenses, as Chase Stuart wrote about in reference to the Eagles back in May. In the last 20 years, only this year's Eagles ranked in the top ten in points scored and then did not bring back their top player at quarterback, running back, and receiver. And the Eagles were replacing a quarterback combo (Nick Foles/Mark Sanchez) that was not quite at the Tony Romo level.

It's hard to find a good parallel in terms of a situation that involved in-season injuries, too. The 1993 Dolphins lost Dan Marino in Week 5 and they had lost their leading receiver from the previous year (Mark Duper) to retirement. Mark Duper was never Dez Bryant, though, and even less so at the age of 33. After starting 4-1 with Marino, the '93 Dolphins went 5-6 the rest of the way under Steve DeBerg and a soon-to-be-overpaid-but-not-yet-corpulent Scott Mitchell. The 2005 Vikings lost Daunte Culpepper in Week 7 and that was the year Randy Moss left. They improved with Brad Johnson, going 7-2 after Culpepper started 2-5.

Our best analogy, perhaps: The 2005 Eagles lost both Donovan McNabb (to injury) and Terrell Owens (to exile) mid-season. (By the way, you have to love Owens' stat line from his last pre-exile game.) With Owens and McNabb, the Eagles were 4-3. For two weeks without T.O. but with McNabb, they went 0-2. They somehow won two of their last seven under Mike McMahon.

All of this is a long way of saying that it is hard to predict how this will go for the Cowboys. In the past, it seems to have come down to the quality of the backup quarterback. With enough evidence pointing against Jerry Jones' Weeden love, I think it's safe to say that he is not exactly Brad Johnson. But he's not quite as bad as Mike McMahon. And the running game worked spectacularly early on against Atlanta. Until Romo returns, it seems like almost any outcome is possible, which is probably an unsatisfying answer.

On the Golden Boy, just remember that his Mr. Fusion runs on negative energy from all the haters out there. You are contributing to future touchdowns.

Thus far my season has been great with Brady, Julio, Le'Veon Bell and the Denver D on my squad.
1) Mike Evans or Amari Cooper to pair with Julio. Tough choice between two good options.
2) Carlos Hyde or Latavius Murray. Again two good options.

And I also have Martavis Bryant riding the pine. Should I drop him now that Big Ben is going to be out for ~6 weeks? I'm going to need to start working around bye weeks and there are some players I can pick up, but not sure if I'm cutting bait too early. I was really high on him in the pre-season.

-- Michael (via the fantasy answering service)

Sterling: Let's take these one at a time. With Brady on a bye this week and Julio apparently starting to show the effects of his obscene target totals, you might need those mid-round picks to come through big this week to keep up your strong start.

1) Cooper and Evans are both recent top-10 draft picks, but they have essentially been opposites this year in terms of fantasy profile. Cooper has received between nine and 11 targets in each of his first three games; Evans totaled just three targets in Week 2 after missing Week 1 with a hamstring injury, then saw a ridiculous 17 passes come his way from Jameis Winston last week. However, the tiebreaker here is where these targets are coming, as Cooper has yet to receive even one red zone target! Just 12 other players have received as many targets as Cooper's 31 this year, and Demaryius Thomas is the only other player not to garner even one red zone target. Cooper has the much easier matchup at Chicago while Evans draws Josh Norman and the Panthers at home, but Evans appears to possess the higher ceiling because of his touchdown potential.

2) Both Hyde and Murray have thus far been excellent fantasy options as first-time starters. And as a side note, when was the last time someone seriously considered starting two Raiders in their fantasy lineups? Again, the Bears matchup looms large, as Chicago is last in overall defensive DVOA, 31st against the pass and 31st against the run.

However, the Packers have actually been worse against running backs, at least for fantasy purposes. ESPN ranks Green Bay 26th in terms of points allowed to opposing running backs, whereas Chicago ranks 19th. The Niners also return home this week, where Hyde had his best game in Week 1 against Minnesota, and where Colin Kaepernick will hopefully not self-combust and submarine the entire offense.

3) Well, you know what this site thinks of Martavis Bryant. If you have stashed Bryant on your bench for the first three weeks and don't need the roster spot, you might as well see how he looks in the Michael Vick-led offense. But fair warning: Don't expect Bryant to supplant any of your current top three receivers, as he'll likely be a bye week flex play option at best with Big Ben out. In his debacle of a campaign with the Jets last year, Vick went just 4-for-19 on passes that traveled over 15 yards (defined as "deep passes" by Pro Football Reference). Among the 43 quarterbacks with at least that many deep attempts, Vick's 21.1 percent completion percentage finished dead last. Bryant's season-long value might not suffer much if Roethlisberger misses closer to four weeks instead of six, but he's probably a no-go with Vick in the lineup.

Posted by: Andrew Healy and Sterling Xie on 30 Sep 2015

13 comments, Last at 02 Oct 2015, 7:02pm by Spludge


by Temo :: Thu, 10/01/2015 - 7:36am

"I think it's safe to say that he is not exactly Brad Johnson. But he's not quite as bad as Mike McMahon. "

Unless you mean the Cowboys version of Brad Johnson, who was fucking terrible.

by Led :: Thu, 10/01/2015 - 10:25am

Re: Jets/Dolphins, this is starting to sound like a replay of the story last week. And if the Jets do not show that they can consistently run the ball against normal fronts, then they are going to be in big trouble offensively and we'll see Miami suddenly righting the ship on Sunday. Fitzpatrick simply cannot be effective (or even non-terrible) unless defenses are forced to put an extra guy in the box to stop the run, and Geno is a giant question mark (at best). Maybe it was just a great job by the Eagles and the absence of Ivory, but the Jets inability to get any push or open any holes when the defense was playing with two deep safeties does not bode well. The Jets' defense will keep them in most games, but without a consistently effective rushing attack they are going to have a very hard time beating teams.

by mehllageman56 :: Thu, 10/01/2015 - 12:19pm

Agree with you about the Jets ability to run being a major problem, but the point about the Dolphins inability to cover #1 receivers is huge. Decker is actually practicing now, and may play, and Marshall will want to make up for last week and torch his former employers. The Jets weren't able to run against the Colts either, but a half with Decker was enough for them to score 20, and the Colts have Vontae Davis, a really good corner. Still not a game I would pick for lock of the week.

by Noah Arkadia :: Thu, 10/01/2015 - 1:11pm

Meh, I'll take your Jets issues and raise you... I don't know, a bunch of stuff. The Dolphins look like five-win material and are in the middle of a crises. Right now their only chance is against mediocre to poor defenses. The Jets do not qualify.

Who, me?

by Led :: Thu, 10/01/2015 - 2:40pm

The difference is that the Colts sold out to stop the run and doubled Marshall, which often left a LB on Decker. Whether that's Decker or Kerley (or even Enunwa), that's advantage Jets. Fitz can read that and hit a guy who is open by 5-10 yards. The Eagles played mostly straight up against the run, allowing them to double Marshall without exposing themselves to other receivers. Fitz had to hit small windows or deep shots against man coverage. He couldn't. Decker would have helped, but Fitz still needs to make accurate throws.

by Spludge :: Fri, 10/02/2015 - 7:02pm

I think missing Ivory was a big factor, though. He's not great, but as a physical runner, he makes teams keep seven in the box. Missing Decker and Owusu wasn't going to help the offense, either.

The Jets' offense is OK... when everyone's healthy. It looks shallow otherwise, and Fitzpatrick cannot make replacement level players look good in the way the top couple of tiers of quarterbacks can.

Still, as a Jets fan, I'm enjoying this season.

by johonny :: Thu, 10/01/2015 - 11:39am

If Miami can't win this week they are in deep trouble. (They are in deep trouble). They will have gone 1-3 throwing away a "home" game that was really a long road game. They still have a 3 game road trip to follow later in their schedule. The back half of their schedule while hard is nearly all at home. I really do fear a "Let's save Joe Philbin's job" streak. The Bills and Jets are simply better coached than Miami. There could be a real AFC East divisional race if a kink in the New England armor developed... but it probably won't. Still odds are looking good for the AFC to finally return to the wild card game and perhaps the Bills to end their century drought of playoff appearances. The problem in Miami go throughout the organization. Stephen Ross has a dysfunctional front office.

by jtr :: Thu, 10/01/2015 - 12:47pm

Well, just because they won't do it doesn't mean we can't.

Keep Chopping Wood this week is obviously Brandon Marshall's lateral off of Connor Barwin's facemask.

Anybody notice any coaching this week particularly worthy of the Mike Martz Award? Worst I can think of is the Bears punting on fourth-and-1 around midfield near the end of the third quarter. Because once you've punted on your first seven drives, you might as well make it eight in a row.

by Noah Arkadia :: Thu, 10/01/2015 - 1:17pm

Awesome play, thanks, I had missed it!

Who, me?

by bsims :: Thu, 10/01/2015 - 1:59pm

Here's a food for John Fox: potato. He coaches like a potato, and he even looks like a Mr. Potato Head, if all of the add-on features were also potatoes.

And you know what? This article isn't even what made me think of this. I was watching the Bears special teams-only practice session against the Seahawks on Sunday, and I said "Why would you pay John Fox millions of dollars when a 50 cent potato would do just as good a job?"

Also, Jay Cutler is an artichoke: fancy looking, but most of it is unusable.

by jtr :: Thu, 10/01/2015 - 2:31pm

John Fox's playcalling sheet is just the word PUNT in size 72 font. It isn't even laminated.

by MilkmanDanimal :: Thu, 10/01/2015 - 3:39pm

"OK, first down, let's have Peyton throw a slant."

"John, you're in Chicago now, Peyton's not your QB anymore."

"Oh . . . OK, then, let's have Peyton throw the quick out."

"John, seriously, Peyton's in Denver, this is Chicago. Peyton's not here."

"Oh . . . uh . . . how about we have Peyton throw a go route?"


"Oh . . . I guess we could punt?"

"John, it's first down!"

"Ah. In that case, we could have Peyton throw--"

"You know, never mind, just send in O'Donnell to kick and let the Seahawks have it."

"Don't you mean Colquitt?"

by ChristopherS :: Thu, 10/01/2015 - 5:39pm