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25 Oct 2017

Scramble: Look What You Made Us Do

by Bryan Knowles and Andrew Potter

Bryan: It's fair to say Week 7 was a fairly ugly week of football. Three shutouts, injuries to superstars like Joe Thomas, the disappointing Super Bowl rematch, and so forth.

Andrew: Your humble Scramble team, however, prefers to accentuate the positive wherever possible. Which means when the football itself is ugly, we can instead focus on the beauty of those playing it. The beauty of their uniforms, that is -- this isn't that kind of column.

Bryan: And, for the three remaining Chargers fans, they got to experience one of the best days in football -- the annual busting out of the powder blues, which many people consider the best look in football. Why Dean Spanos hasn't decided to go to that look full time is beyond me, unless it's part of his ongoing attempt to do everything about managing the Chargers wrong.

Andrew: We are, of course, far from the first to suggest that the Chargers go to powder blue full-time. Are there any objectors to this obvious beautification? Is this simply a marketing ploy, because he knows that with the powder blues as alternates he can sell three different jerseys a year to the core support instead of two? Am I crediting Dean Spanos with too much cunning and insight?

Bryan: Here's the thing -- I think the "powder blue is the best uniform" mantra has become such common wisdom that people accept it just kind of out of habit at this point. They're good uniforms, and better than what the Chargers are currently wearing, but I think they've become a bit overrated at this point. And I think if they were worn on a regular basis, the novelty would wear off rather quickly -- or at least, their specialness would.

Andrew: As throwbacks go, at least, they are definitely among the very best. I'm partial to the red Patriots uniforms, and the proper blue-and-gold Greatest Show on Turf Rams uniforms somehow make a questionable combination into fine art, but the powder blues are right up there. Let's face it, when the rest of the competition is the Bumblesteelers, the Acme Packers getting dressed in the dark, the creamsicle Buccaneers, and, uh, pale blue and yellow Eagles? The competition isn't exactly at its fiercest outside the top few teams. Which, I suppose, is a microcosm for the sport as a whole.

Bryan: And with Color Rush sweeping over the league like a Nike-designed plague, the art of alternate jerseys isn't what it once was. But I can already tell we have some significant differences in uniform preferences here, so maybe we should start with something a little more basic. What makes a good uniform, anyway?

It's a really subjective matter, I realize, but I think there are some pretty basic things a uniform needs to do. It needs to be immediately visually distinct enough to identify the team, obviously. When you see knock-off footage in commercials or low-budget TV shows or movies, you get the most generic uniforms possible. You shouldn't ever look at an NFL team and not be able to identify them within a few seconds, logo or no logo. This is one reason why I bemoan every other team busting out a black alternate nowadays -- it's all too samey-samey.

Andrew: On that, certainly, I agree. It is the one redeeming feature of the aforementioned creamsicles. Nobody is going to mistake that group for a professional football te-- uh, for anybody other than the Buccaneers.

Bryan: It's also the saving grace of the Seahawks' ultra-neon alternate jerseys. Sure, your corneas may be burned out after a few seconds, but at least you know which team caused your eternal blindness!

Another thing I think you want is some contrast. In my opinion, it's generally not a good look to have the same color throughout, pants and jersey. A contrasting color is important, and if you are going to go for the unitard look, you'd better have something special in your doozits and whatchamacallits (both very technical uniform designing terms, there) to make up for it. That's my major problem with the Color Rush jerseys, honestly; they are nearly all solid color versus solid color and just ... no. Not that, please.

Andrew: I know it's not quite what you mean, but you remind me of that wondrous Christmas-y Color Rush game between the Bills and the Jets, in which half of the football-watching population couldn't tell which team was which and the other half didn't care.

I agree with you on the Color Rush uniforms in general, but there are some specific exceptions. I love the Patriots' all-navy look from Sunday night. Those Saints all-whites from last year were to die for. I've never been so happy to re-watch a game the Saints lost. I'd have bought them in a heartbeat, but the last time I imported clothes from America it cost me £35 in customs fees and handling, so...

Bryan: See, I'm of the opinion that the Saints should always be wearing gold pants. All the time. Their white jersey/black pants combo isn't bad, but it just feels a little wrong. Pair their admittedly great Color Rush jersey with the brighter gold pants from their throwback uniform, and you'd have a real winning combination there.

Andrew: See, that looks a little too much like a Steelers road uniform for my taste. You're making me want to relocate a Madden 08 PC franchise again, so I can play around with this stuff. My Anchorage Oilers were always the league's coolest-dressed outfit.

Bryan: I'll spot you that mono-white or mono-black works a lot better than, say, the monstrosities that Jacksonville wears for Color Rush, but I generally like the uniform broken up somewhat. It looks too much like a unitard, generally, when it's the same color from head to toe.

Though I'll take an infinite number of color-rush uniforms over a uniform with an ad. The NFL has been allowing them on practice jerseys for a while now, and the NBA has begun putting them on regular game jerseys. And they look uniformly terrible. Plus, it feels like an encroachment on the design space, and just makes 'em look all uglified.

Andrew: Hailing from a European soccer background, I'm far less opposed to uniform sponsors than most American sports fans. They do have to be done tastefully, though, otherwise you end up with something like this.

Latin teams and Scandinavian teams in particular are famed for squeezing approximately 53 sponsors onto a single jersey. It can end up looking like one of those supermarket leaflets or tech websites where they just show a list of logos for the brands they stock.

Bryan: I think part of the difference in opinion here is the different initial designs. It's my understanding that European soccer kits were basically blank shirts, which gives a lot of real estate for ads. I'm sure there was a lot of pushback when they first started coming into play, but there was room to do so tastefully. On the front of an NFL jersey, though, you have the numbers -- which are actually important from a gameplay perspective as they identify eligible receivers -- taking up a huge chunk of space. And now you have the captain's patch and often an individual team patch or a Super Bowl patch or an anniversary patch, and then you have to leave enough space so the TV numbers on the side don't get crowded out ... there's less natural space for an ad to go, even before you get into the issue of commercialization.

Andrew: That's true, and if anything American commercialization trends are leaking into soccer rather than the reverse. 20 years ago, you would never hear of a stadium naming rights deal for one of soccer's ancient cathedrals. Now, the English Premier League is all the Emirates Stadium this and the Etihad that. Teams don't travel to Falmer Stadium or the Britannia, but to the AmEx Stadium or the bet365 Stadium. And yes, a big part of that is that these stadia are newly built rather than hallowed ground like Anfield or Old Trafford, but it's still an insidious trend.

Still, I expect sooner or later that somebody will find a way to get sponsors onto NFL jerseys, and eventually it might even be an accepted norm. For shame.

Bryan: We shall use all the power and influence granted to us as Scramble writers to stop this. So expect it by 2020 at the latest.

But before then, let's talk about uniforms today. Awards are always a great thing to give out when we have no idea how to structure an article! Let's put on our best Mr. Blackwell impressions and critique the fashion choices of today's football franchises.

Andrew: Alternatively, let's play a game. I say a word, and you have to pick a uniform to match it and say why. Then, you get to do the same in reverse.

I'll go first. "Garish."

Bryan: The word was designed for Florida football in general, wasn't it? The Jaguars' two-tone helmet is pretty much the worst thing in the world today. I'm all for experimentation and trying something new, but this one needs to be binned pretty much as soon as possible. When paired with their all-gold Color Rush monstrosities, they're in the running for worst-dressed football team of all time.

How about: "Dated."

Andrew: Oh, that's the St. Langeles Rams. It's not quite the St. Louis Rams, and it's not quite the Los Angeles Rams, it's somewhere in between. There's too much of the past in here, and not quite enough of the present, making an inconsistent and ineffective whole. Which would have made it perfect for last year's team, incidentally.

Bryan: It should be noted that the Rams can't change their jerseys to match their helmets until the 2019 season, so we're going to continue to have the horrible mismatched uniforms, especially when they wear their dark blue jerseys, for at least a few more seasons. Why they didn't just wait to update their helmets is beyond me. Why they didn't go back to the blue-and-yellow look they wore from 1973 to 1999, rather than the blue-and-white uniforms they had from 1964 to 1972 is also beyond me, but that's more a question of personal taste. I just think the Rams should look like the Rams, and not the Colts!

Andrew: Your word association challenge is "holistic." A uniform where the individual parts are not particularly noteworthy, but together they form something greater.

Bryan: That's pretty much just a list of the top uniforms in the game, I'd imagine. Uniforms that work great as an ensemble without drawing too much attention to themselves. I'm a big fan of the Packers' uniforms and the 49ers when it comes to color -- at least, ever since the 49ers went back to the bold red and the gold pants, as opposed to the duller red they switched to from 1996 to 2008.

Andrew: The 49ers are actually one of the teams I had in mind. That red and gold isn't what I'd consider an ideal combination, and none of the uniform pieces really go with anything else, but pieced together like they are it meets all the requirements: easy to identify the team, contrasting without clashing, and easy on the eye.

Bryan: It's a classic look. Their alternate jersey -- the all-blacks -- does keep them out of the running for best uniform set, though, because I can't read the dang numbers. Highlight the red with some gold, and you have something there, even if it's another unnecessary black jersey.

You know why everyone wants to wear black? Because the two best uniforms in the league use a lot of black. That's the full sets of the Oakland Raiders and the Pittsburgh Steelers. I love them both. Even the alternates. The Raiders have their exceptionally classy white Color Rush uniforms with the silver numbers that work far better than they have any right to. The Steelers have not only very solid Color Rush alternates, but also the recently retired crazy, unique and bonkers Bumblebee set. They are the best two dressed teams in the NFL, bar none. And I will fight anyone who doesn't get behind the horizontal crazy stripes.

Andrew: They look like an escaped chain gang who couldn't find a clothes store to rob, which is the only reason I'm not taking you up on the offer of a fight.

Bryan: It's just so unique! No one else uses stripes in that way anymore, but that's a perfectly cromulent uniform design. I'll admit that they're overplaying the historical aspect of the jersey up a bit much (they basically wore it just for one season in 1933), but it just feels like a throwback to an earlier, more exciting uniform time. A lot of teams wore stripes! The Canton Bulldogs won two NFL championships wearing stripes. The Giants wore plenty of stripes in the '20s and '30s. And that's not getting into the vertical-stripe teams like the Bears wore. They were not my absolute favorite alternates -- we'll get to those -- but the world was a better place with them in it. Now, if they'd only go back to that amazing yellow alternate helmet they used from 2008 to 2011 for a throwback or alternate, we'd have something really special here.

Why, what do you think are the best uniforms sets in the league?

Andrew: I love the Ravens and Vikings. The purple is a fairly uncommon choice -- we don't see a lot of that in soccer, and the only soccer team I associate with purple is Fiorentina. The Ravens are probably the most holistic franchise overall, in that their mascot and city and uniform and, largely, mentality all carry that thematically consistent sense of ominous foreboding. Purple and black are the colors of bruising, and that's definitely appropriate. I'm not crazy about Minnesota's yellow, but the modern Vikings uniforms reduce that in favor of the purple-and-white and it fits together a lot better for that small tweak.

Bryan: I wish Baltimore would cut out the black alternates a little bit, but you're right in that it's thematic and fits the image quite well. I think their purple jerseys and black pants are their best look, especially with the subtle gold highlights of the numbers.

Here's your word association choice: "overrated."

Andrew: Overrated is possibly the most subjective word in the sports discourse lexicon. All it usually means is "something other people like more than I do." I think the Raiders fit that description: it's not that their silver-and-black is bad, as it certainly is not. It's just no longer the masterpiece of rebellious football uniform design that it was during the franchise's heyday.

Bryan: I just feel it's something that's never going to get dated or tied to a specific time. Unlike, say, the Buccaneers' creamsicle jerseys or the Seahawks' neon alternates. Or the early 2000s trend of everyone to slide the color saturation level down some (I'm looking at YOU, Bills).

Andrew: Right, but it's also going to be a challenge to make it appear innovative or impactful again. It's a very solid, consistent, instantly recognizable uniform that I don't think will ever look bad, but it also kind of just is at this point.

Alright, one more word for each of us. I'll go for something very basic: "worst." If there is one uniform you had to pick as the absolute worst in the league, specific to home, road, alternate, or Color Rush, which is it?

Bryan: Whoof. Honorable mention goes to the Rams, but they're fixing that by 2019. Another honorable mention goes to the Browns' kind of terrible amateur/mid-tier college football design, but they're also aware of that and are changing it for 2020. So, I'd rather focus on a team that seems satisfied with what they have for ... no rational reason I can think of at the moment.

I've trashed the Jaguars enough -- and, honestly, if they fixed their helmets, I'd have them in the lower half, but not at the bottom of the pack. The Buccaneers are pretty terrible at the moment, too -- what's with those digital clock numbers? Why is your helmet logo WAY TOO ZOOMED IN in a way that most resembles the terrible MLB Turn Ahead the Clock uniforms.

But, no. The worst uniform in the NFL belongs to the Arizona Cardinals. I'm not even sure where to begin -- it looks like a reject from the Arena League, with random side panels and underarm panels galore. It's one of the worst offenders of "let's make it black because black is cool right now," rather than their much more traditional red colors -- they wear that black alternate far too often for my taste. Their helmet, while one of the better designs in the league, screams "old school" and clashes terribly with the so-modern-it-hurts styling on the uniforms as a whole. I'll pick the black alternates as the worst in the league, but the entire set needs to be redesigned from the floor up.

Andrew: My choice would be Washington. I can't find a single thing I like about it. I hate the clashing colour scheme, which looks like somebody used the wrong crayons to draw the 49ers and couldn't find the right lighting to fix it. The mascot is ridiculous, even without any of the more, er, debatable aspects of the team's monicker. The way they simply plopped two barely connected colors together in a standard jersey-pants-socks alternating design, with a wee stripe down the side to connect the burgundy ... there's no creative thought given to the admittedly challenging problem of the mismatched bold colors, and that somehow achieves the remarkable feat of making burgundy and gold look less suited than orange and teal. (Speaking of which, the Dolphins' design crew has consistently done a shockingly effective job of turning two atrocious colors into a consistent uniform.)

Bryan: The helmet's an easy fix for Washington. The old Circle R look from 1970-71 is my favorite, over the old spear design and the current look. Washington's look got better, I think, when they brought back the gold pants -- apparently, I really like gold pants, so sue me -- but I at least see where you're coming from. The logo has to go, sooner rather than later.

Alright, one last word: "nostalgic." Wrapping us back to the powder blues -- is there any old jersey that's currently being used only as an alternate, or not being used at all, that you'd like to see come back?

Andrew: Oh, that's easy. The Patriots should go back to Pat Patriot and his redcoats full-time from this weekend onward. I know the blue is more readily associated with the Brady era, and lots of teams wear red, but I do find the red Patriots jerseys and white helmets distinctive enough to stand out, and I like the navy as an alternate for when they visit light-colored home teams. That team has some terrific uniforms, which is certainly aided by a very well-matched color scheme. Sadly, the logo is not nearly of the same standard.

Bryan: I love Pat Patriot, too, but that logo probably belongs in the past. I agree with you fully on the uniform, though, maybe with just an updated logo.

Some of the choices here are obvious: the Eagles in kelly green. The Chargers in powder blue. The Jim Kelly-era Bills uniforms. I'm also more a fan of the old Seahawks AFC West uniforms than their current number, but I recognize I'm in the minority there.

Andrew: That's the uniform set they had under Mike Holmgren, right?

Bryan: Well, Holmgren was there for two uniforms, but I'm not talking about the one you're thinking of, I think. It's the one they wore basically from their founding until 2001.

But no, the ones I like are the classic black Atlanta Falcons jerseys. The ones they currently wear as a throwback jersey. Throw out the red ones, and bring back the classic black throwback, with the white pants. That would make me a very happy football fan. Just … skip the red helmets, please.

Andrew: I love the Falcons jerseys too. The red-black-white combination, in a variety of alignments, has always been a favorite of mine. That's the same combination my hometown soccer team wears (Clyde FC, for the one guy who might ask), and they have also had some fantastic jerseys.

Bryan: Oh, if we're getting into soccer kits, I have to close the article with the best worst uniforms in the history of sports: the Caribous of Colorado.

Andrew: You really don't. You could just not. Honestly, there's no need. Don't do this to us.

Bryan: At least now we know what uniforms the Loser League teams wear.

Loser League Update

Quarterback: We'll get more into the decision to bench DeShone Kizer shortly, but playing just over a half and throwing a pair of interceptions isn't great for your Loser League score. Kizer finished with just 1 point; it's the second time he has led the league this season and the fourth single-digit total of his short career.

Running Back: We've got a three-way tie this week. LeGarrette Blount is usually touchdown-or-bust, and this week, it was just bust. Derrick Henry might have hoped for more snaps with DeMarco Murray nursing a bad hamstring, but he couldn't get anything going against Cleveland's rush defense. Thomas Rawls outgained both of them, but fumbled in the first half. They all end up with 2 points.

Wide Receiver: Forget the Goose Egg Brigade, we have a rare negative point performance from a wide receiver! Adam Humphries hit a season low with two receptions for 13 yards. A chunk of those yards, though, came on the desperation lateral play at the end of the game, and his other reception ended in a fumble. That's how you score -1 points, boys and girls, and set the season's low-water mark for receiver futility.

Kicker: It's safe to say this year's Super Bowl rematch was slightly less dramatic than the game last season, ending in a pretty convincing 23-7 win for the Patriots. Not helping the Falcons' scoreline was Matt Bryant, who missed two field goals from inside 40 yards. Yes, one was blocked, but still, a night to forget. -3 points for him.

Check your team's score and the overall leaderboard here!


Keep Choppin' Wood: Here are the pass-rush numbers for just the Jaguars' starting front four against Indianapolis, taken from the ESPN box score:

  • Yannick Ngakoue: 2.5 sacks, 7 QB Hits
  • Calais Campbell: 2.0 sacks, 3 QB Hits
  • Dante Fowler: 1.5 sacks, 2 QB Hits
  • Malik Jackson: 1.5 sacks, 2 QB Hits

All in all, the Jaguars sacked Jacoby Brissett 10 times for 64 total yards and registered 21!!! quarterback hits. In one game, the Jaguars had more sacks than the Buccaneers have managed this entire season. Some of that was due to Brissett holding the ball too long, but certainly not all of it. The Colts Offensive Line looked outmatched and underprepared this past Sunday, and will have to play a lot better in future if Brissett is to last until Andrew Luck is ready to return to the field.

John Fox Todd Bowles Award for Conservatism: Icing Must Die. One of the NFL's most exasperating traditions is "icing the kicker" -- calling a time-out at the very last second on an end-of-half or end-of-game field goal in the hope of putting the kicker off his attempt. At best, it's a minor irritation kickers practice for every week. At worst, it's giving the kicker a mulligan to better gauge his distance and trajectory. So it proved for Hue Jackson, who iced Ryan Succop in overtime as Succop doinked a potential game-winner off the upright. Given a free retry, the Titans kicker duly converted the game-winner. Stop this madness. Stop it now.

Herm Edwards Award for Playing to Win the Game: For the third straight year, the regular season has thrown up a rematch of the previous season's Super Bowl. For the third straight year, the same team has won both games. Dan Quinn, no doubt aware of his team's recent struggles against the lesser lights of the AFC East, took an aggressive approach in an attempt to change those fortunes in Foxborough. On the team's second drive, with the score 0-0, the Falcons were stopped for a 3-yard loss on third-and-4 near midfield. Rather than punt for field position, Quinn chose to go for it on fourth-and-7 and converted on a 9-yard Matt Ryan scramble. On the team's fourth drive, in similar field position down 10-0, Quinn went for it again on fourth-and-medium, this time failing on a deep pass for Mohamed Sanu. Though neither attempt led to points, Quinn's aggressive approach against a superior opponent was laudable. A third fourth-down attempt arose on the team's penultimate drive, but by this time Atlanta was behind 20-0 and at the Patriots' 1-yard line. Even conservative coaches should be going for it in that circumstance.

Jeff Fisher Award for Confusing Coaching: Hue Jackson, what are you doing? There are many theories out there about the best way to develop a young quarterback. Some say to start them early and accept the growing pains and mistakes they'll commit as they learn the position. Some say to sit them for most of their rookie season, allowing them to study the playbook and get used to the regular routine of being an NFL quarterback before allowing the Von Millers and Cameron Jordans of the world to grind them into a fine pâté. We must have missed the section of the book where it recommended yanking a rookie quarterback and then putting them back in repeatedly, as if they were a glorified yo-yo. For the second time in three weeks, Jackson pulled DeShone Kizer, replacing him this time with Cody Kessler. The quarterback shuffle is not the best way to manage the most important position in football, and it doesn't feel like Jackson has anything approaching a plan.

"Opportunity Knocks" Fantasy Player of the Week: : With Leonard Fournette missing Jacksonville's game against Indianapolis, fantasy players flocked to pick up his replacement Chris Ivory. While Ivory did in fact get the start, it was T.J. Yeldon who should have gotten the nod. Yeldon, who had been a healthy scratch for most of this season, made the most of his first action in 2017: 122 yards rushing and a touchdown on just nine carries, as well as a couple receptions. Doug Marrone has claimed he loves Yeldon; perhaps this effort will convince him to show that love by, you know, having him active over Ivory in the future.

Blake Bortles Garbage-Time Performer of the Week:: Honorable mention to Julio Jones and Matt Ryan's final drive against the Patriots, but C.J. Beathard's first start in San Francisco was in garbage time from about the second quarter on, thanks to Dallas' ability to capitalize on turnovers. Beathard threw for 171 yards and ran for a touchdown while trailing by at least three scores, and the "at least" is doing a lot of work in that sentence. Beathard's touchdown came with the 49ers trailing by 37 points. That's the largest deficit for a touchdown this season, beating Marvin Jones' touchdown against the Saints in Week 6 when the Lions trailed by 35. The Lions came back to make that one interesting. The 49ers did not.

"Comfort in Sadness" Stat of the Week: In what looks increasingly like a lost year for the Cardinals now that Carson Palmer will miss around eight weeks with a broken arm, they do at least have a couple of solid defensive numbers on their side. Arizona ranked fourth in rushing defense DVOA as they headed to Twickenham, but fell to 11th after Todd Gurley and Malcolm Brown had 33 attempts combined for more than 150 yards and a touchdown on the ground in London. Arizona's yards allowed figure against No. 1 receivers, however, was not affected at all: against Sammy Watkins, the Cardinals allowed exactly their season-average of a mere 42 yards per game. That also ranked fourth entering this weekend, demonstrating that Patrick Peterson at least remains productive in this otherwise disappointing year.

Game-Changing Play of the Week: Really, the entirety of the Kansas City-Oakland Ending Kerfluffle goes here. Three consecutive plays with 0:00 on the clock is sort of insane, and about as dramatic a finish as you're going to get, especially in a game Oakland pretty much had to win to keep its 2017 playoff hopes alive.

We only got all that ending drama because of an abundance of referee hankies -- three in the last ten seconds of the game.

Kansas City has done many things right this year. One thing they have not done well is penalties -- 57 accepted, placing them one behind San Francisco and Cleveland for most in the league. Their nine defensive holding calls lead the league as well, and that just counts penalties accepted; the Chiefs have had four more holds either declined or offsetting. This is one of the reasons why the loss of Eric Berry hurts so much; Berry has drawn two defensive holding penalties in his entire career. Eric Murray, who has seen his snap count rise with Berry out, has three already this season.

Three-Eyed Raven Lock of the Week

All picks are made without reference to FO's Premium picks, while all lines are courtesy of Bovada and were accurate as of time of writing.

Andrew: Though I'm not convinced that this week demonstrated the return of the Patriots so much as the ongoing malaise of the Falcons, I also don't think that the Chargers winning three straight is evidence of their return to contention. At home in Foxborough for the second straight week and looking forward to their bye in Week 9, I expect the Patriots to be too strong for the coast-to-coast travelers at 10 a.m. Pacific. I'll confidently give the points and take New England (minus-7.5) versus L.A. Chargers.

Bryan: I'm going to take Washington (plus-2.5) hosting Dallas, even with the news of Trent Williams' injury. Washington should be getting Josh Norman back, which should help take Dez Bryant somewhat out of the equation, and they have been good against the run all year long. Dallas' defense is exploitable, and they're coming off back-to-back road games. The injuries along the line concern me, but divisional matches have a way of ending up closer than one might expect. I'll take the points.

Records to date:
Andrew: 3-3
Bryan: 3-3

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Posted by: Bryan Knowles and Andrew Potter on 25 Oct 2017

77 comments, Last at 28 Oct 2017, 4:01pm by xydux


by Travis :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 3:10pm

So it proved for Hue Jackson, who iced Ryan Succop in overtime as Succop doinked a potential game-winner off the upright.

What stopped the clock there wasn't an icing timeout, but rather the rarely-seen overtime two-minute warning.

by The Powers That Be :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 3:27pm

And the time out was called in such a way that Succop knew about it as he made the kick: he was pretty clearly just going through the motion without worrying about where the ball went.

by Andrew Potter :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 4:00pm

You guys are correct. I apologize for the error.

by Bright Blue Shorts :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 3:10pm

The uniforms I really don't like were those 49ers and Pats jerseys that they wore in SBs in the mid-90s where they had sort of 3D-effect numbers. They seemed innovative at the time but just dated really quickly.

by Bryan Knowles :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 3:40pm

Drop shadow numbers were all the rage in the '90s, and thus look ~incredibly 90s~. I don't think they held up well at all, no.

Ironically, the 49ers' drop-shadow numbers were actually throwbacks to 1955's jerseys, which had drop-shadow numbers. So I guess those uniforms were 40 years ahead of their time! The worst bit about the 49ers' '94 Super Bowl jerseys were that they were so popular, they inspired the team to do the 1996 overhaul, with the darker red color and the white pants instead of gold and moving the TV numbers from the sleeves to the shoulders and so on and so forth. A downgrade, if you ask me, from the basic variations on a theme the 49ers were wearing from 1964 'till then.

...I may have strong opinions on shades of red. It's possible.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 3:55pm


The 49ers wore those during the 1994 season as part of the throwback uniform set to celebrate that NFL’s 75th season (the Niners had the 3D jersey numbers in the 1955-56 seasons). The Patriots, however, had no such excuse, and designed those uniforms on purpose in 1993 when they hired Bill Parcells. The redesign to the current uniforms was very welcome and much needed.

by PatsFan :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 3:27pm

My favorite NE uniform are the 1963 road whites (the unis they wore in one of the AFL anniversary celebration games a few years back).

But given that that would never be considered a full-time uni (sigh), if they took the navy color rush jersey and paired it with white or silver pants, that would be my second favorite uniform, and favorite among what would be considered remotely possible in the modern age.

by Bryan Knowles :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 3:48pm

Yeah, just swap out their main jersey for the Color Rush ones, but keep the silver pants? I could get behind that. The main issue with their color rush jerseys in and of themselves, I think, is the lack of TV numbers. That can make it hard, at times, to see who's who in a massive pile.

I don't actually know if it's an NFL requirement or not that regular jerseys have TV numbers -- I bet it's at least somewhat up to Nike's designers and the teams themselves.

by serutan :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 3:33pm

Bryan : "Why they {Rams} didn't go back to the blue-and-yellow look they wore from 1973 to 1999, rather than the blue-and-white uniforms they had from 1964 to 1972 is also beyond me, but that's more a question of personal taste."

Yup. Which is why it's beyond me why they'd want to go to the '73-'99 look.

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by Bryan Knowles :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 3:50pm

Hah! Fair enough.

I just think the blue and white looks more...generic. Blue and yellow stand out more, and are more interesting contrasting colors. They've also worn blue and yellow for larger chunks of their history, making it a more traditional look.

That being said, I grew up with the Rams in blue and yellow, so there's your reason why I prefer them. A stunning amount of my favorite uniforms are from the late '80s and early '90s; I wonder why that could be? Hrmmmm.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 4:04pm

I’m with you Brian, the blue and white looks way too much like the Colts. I like the Greatest Show on Turf blue and gold far more than I like the Vince Ferragamo/Jim Everett era blue and yellow. I have no idea why people have so much hostility towards the former.

by Bryan Knowles :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 4:23pm

Part of it's nostalgia, I'm sure.

I remember, at the time, thinking that it was...presumptuous. "Oh, we just won a Super Bowl, now let's deck ourselves out in GOOOOOLLLLLD."

That's actually a really dumb reason to not like it, and the road jerseys looked just fine, in retrospect. The home jerseys -- either with the plain gold pants or the mono-blue look -- I stand by not liking.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 8:42pm

Okay, in my head, I imagined the “GOOOLLLLD” comment being made by either Goldfinger, or the knock off version from Austin Powers 3. Actually, an Austin Powers villain would probably have a more admirable moral compass than at least 2/3 of real life NFL owners.

I’m in agreement with you about not liking the mono-blue. I’m anti-mono anything, actually.

by mrt1212 :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 7:17pm

The blue and whites look like they haven't ponied up the money to buy the yellow color DLC for Madden.

by MilkmanDanimal :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 3:40pm

The current Buccaneers uniforms are terrible. The creamsicle uniforms are terrible. You know what wasn't terrible? A nice, classic, scarlet-and-pewter look that, just maybe, they didn't need to switch away from.

by Bryan Knowles :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 3:54pm

I remember people HATING the pewter design when it came out in '97, but no, I think it grew on me, too. I'd keep the orange accents the newest road uniforms have -- a nice connection to history without going all creamsicle all the time -- but it looks terrible with the red. And everything else kind of has to go.

by MilkmanDanimal :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 5:19pm

I do think the orange touch isn't bad, but the current uniforms in general look like somebody ate a big box of crayons and threw up on an alarm clock. They're ugly uniforms made unspeakably bad by stupid fonts.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 4:00pm

Agreed. I personally have the same soft spot for Buccaneer Bruce that I have for Pat the Patriot, but the creamsicle color scheme needed to go. Like you, I saw nothing wrong with th Dungy/Gruden era unis.

by Bright Blue Shorts :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 5:01pm

I may be the only person who actually likes the Bucs original creamsicle uni's but I'll have to disagree with liking Bruce over Pat.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 3:58pm

Totally agree with you guys about loving the Falcons 1990’s Jerry Granville/Prime Time color scheme (black with red highlights, and silver pants). Those were sharp. Both the color scheme and logo are far superior to the current ones, in my opinion.

by Bright Blue Shorts :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 5:03pm

I always thought the Glanville Falcons move to black uni's was partly inspired by his desire to emulate the Raiders as bad boys of the NFL. But just a couple of days ago watching a NFL Films from the 60s they showed a clip of a Falcon wearing black.

by Bryan Knowles :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 5:31pm

The Falcons started in black! They didn't make the switch to red until 1971.

It's a bit of an odd history. They chose black and red as their colors because that's what Georgia wore on their football uniforms, and they wanted to get crossover fans from college. But fans of Georgia Tech were annoyed that Atlanta was wearing Georgia colors -- red and black. That's why the early Falcons uniforms had tiny gold stripes on the helmet; to appease Georgia Tech fans. But apparently they got bored of that by 1971, and just went all-Georgia, all the time, up to and including gray pants later in the decade. And there it remained until Glanville came along and Raider'ed 'em all up in 1990.

by Raiderjoe :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 7:49pm

best falcs uniforms of all time my opinion-


in 1980s they put bird logo on sleeve. was already on helmet .don't need it on sleeves too.

cardinasl did these too in 1980s. pmathers have it now. do not like helmet logo also appearing on jersey or pants.

by Eddo :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 4:54pm

The Rams white/blue or yellow/blue are both great to me.

And no mention of the Raiders' color rush jerseys? I absolutely love the all white with the silver numbers.

by Bright Blue Shorts :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 5:03pm

"The Raiders have their exceptionally classy white Color Rush uniforms with the silver numbers that work far better than they have any right to."

by Eddo :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 9:44pm

Oh, thanks - apologies for missing that.

by serutan :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 11:48am

Those "color rush" uniforms look a lot like their 1970s home unis...
Was wr

by Tundrapaddy :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 5:07pm

Hey, Brian! Ahem...

"I really like gold pants, so sue me"
- MC Hammer

by Raiderjoe :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 7:59pm

fave current iunis-
in no particular orde
Bills blue jersey, white pants
Raiders road
Raiders white
Bears home regular
Beras home throwback
jets green jerseys, white pants
Jets white heserys, white pants
Ravens purple jerseys
Jaguars white jersyes
pnathers white jerseys (even with panther head logo all over the place; see my above ocmemnt about that uniform pradtice in general)
saimts color rish worn in 2016
49ers red jersey, gols pants

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 8:44pm

Jags would be improve from 0/10 to at least 6/10 if they would just make their helmet all matte black instead of the current two tone monstrosity.

by MilkmanDanimal :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 10:38am

If you're breaking things down into individuals components, the Jags have by far the worst helmets in the league. I have no idea what they were even thinking.

by Vincent Verhei :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 8:19pm

I've got a lot to say here...

* Saints' Color Rush uniforms should be their full-time road uniforms. This is even more true for the Giants.

* I maintain that Seattle's neon green jerseys would be OK with white pants and navy socks.

* It's been almost 20 years -- I'm surprised the Seahawks have never worn the blue-and-silver throwbacks. I always thought these would have looked even better with a darker blue and white pants.

* The Rams should absolutely stick with the blue/white look. You can add gold or yellow trim in a cohesive way, not the random splotches they have now.

* The problem for those 49ers' uniforms from the late '90s to early '00s wasn't the duller red, it was the black. I actually never realized how ugly that was until they went back to white trim. So much nicer.

* However, the 1994 throwbacks, both home and road, were beautiful. In those instances, the black basically worked.

* The Drew Bledsoe-era Bills uniforms were awful. The new ones are a big improvement, but I too long for the Jim Kelly-era uniforms.

* I'm not a big fan of Arizona's home uniforms, but their road uniforms are my favorite uniforms in the league.

* Washington looked way better with burgundy pants.

* That Pat Patriot New England UNIFORMS are cool, but that logo is terribly overrated. Helmet logos should be simple and clear when you can see all 11 players at the snap. Pat Patriot was way too detailed.

* The Bucs' Creamsicle jerseys were FANTASTIC. Everything since then has been a big step down.

* The best Falcons uniforms were the Jerry Glanville black-on-black look, period, full stop.

* You know the most frustrating thing about Jacksonville's terrible uniforms? The Jaguars started off with perfectly fine uniforms, but then every time they make a change, they make things worse.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 8:51pm

“The problem for those 49er’s uniforms..... ......was the black.”

Preach on. There was a damnable trend in the late 90’/early 00’s to add black trim to everything. It was terrible. The current Lions uniforms were inestimably upgraded by simply omitting the black trim. I kind of wish they went back to the Barry Sanders era color scheme actually, just with an updated logo. Or the Billy Sims era (same color scheme, but silver numbers on the home jerseys).

by Bryan Knowles :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 9:33pm

I wouldn't mind them bringing back the '94 uniforms as a throwback (a throwback to a throwback!), but proper 49ers uniforms should really include gold somewhere other than just the helmet. It's amazing it took a quarter of their existence to settle on gold helmets considering they're named after the gold rush -- it'd be like the Cardinals wearing mostly black or something.

Heck, do it in 2019. It's the 100th NFL season; let every team wear a bunch of different throwbacks spanning their franchise history. Go crazy; you don't turn 100 every day.

by Bright Blue Shorts :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 5:27am

In 2009, the original AFL teams celebrated the 50th anniversary of the league by wearing their throwback uni's in certain games.

The Patriots 59-0 beating of the Titans in the snow was a thing of beauty. The Patriots reds are wonderful and Oilers/Titans pale blues are damn fine as well.

by Bryan Knowles :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 1:24pm

2019 is a huge year. The 100th NFL season. The 60th season of the AFL. Dallas' 60th season. The Packers' 100th anniversary (not season, but actual anniversary). The new Rams stadium opening (theoretically). The last Raiders season in Oakland (for now). All kinds of opportunities for throwbacks and patches and ceremonies and whathaveyou.

by El Muneco :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 10:18pm

I've argued for the Seahawks blue-and-silver, but it would only really work with a silver helmet. Even worse, the current helmet only matches the darker blue "Blue Man Group" uniform, and I suspect it wouldn't mesh well with either silver pants or the lighter blue jerseys.

by MilkmanDanimal :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 10:56am

"* The Bucs' Creamsicle jerseys were FANTASTIC. Everything since then has been a big step down."



by andrew :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 9:28pm

Am I the only one annoyed by the Browns having their name on their pants?

by Bryan Knowles :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 9:35pm

You most certainly are not. It's such a dumb idea. I also am not a fan of the word "Cleveland" on all their jerseys. As an alternate, maybe. But every single one? Seems like something my local high school would do.

The Browns are a bit hampered by a) the fact that brown is not the most pleasing color in the known universe and b) the lack of a mascot/logo to really work with, but their recent uniforms manage to make the worst out of a bad situation.

by Raiderjoe :: Wed, 10/25/2017 - 9:59pm

Bronws have/did have elf and bulldog logos as secondary logos. even had bulldog logo in end zoen for a spell this century. easily could put pissed opff elf on hlemet

by killwer :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 2:34am

No mentions for the most dessired after throwback in the Eagles Kelly green jerseys?


by Guest789 :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 10:36am

"Bryan: I love Pat Patriot, too, but that logo probably belongs in the past. I agree with you fully on the uniform, though, maybe with just an updated logo.
Some of the choices here are obvious: the Eagles in kelly green."

by Dave Bernreuther :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 4:28pm

Those look great.

Both they and the Jets should go back to the more middle of the road green. I generally approve of going back to traditional, the way the Jets did post-Freeman McNeil, but that kelly green, especially once they switched the face masks to black instead of white, looked excellent.

I feel like they could get away with some combination of both eras. Even just going from barf dull green to brighter green like they had for that color rush game (minus the monochrome) would be a major improvement.

I think the Eagles redesign might be the best of all the unnecessary modernizing switches, as well as the ones that added black for black's sake. They really do look good as-is. But that Kelly Green looks great.

by Jerry :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 3:50am

"I'll admit that [the Steelers are] overplaying the historical aspect of the jersey up a bit much (they basically wore it just for one season in 1933), but it just feels like a throwback to an earlier, more exciting uniform time."

The best available research is that they wore them for one game in 1933, and in their 1934 training camp (hence the team picture). Lots of detail:


by aces4me :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 10:14am

Ugliest. Uniform. Evar.

by MilkmanDanimal :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 10:36am

You aren't a fan of the Pittsburgh Pantsless Bumblebees?

by DGL :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 4:02pm

The bumblebees with yellow or black pants would actually look pretty cool.

I prefer the 1970's unis to any others - but I'd bet that if they wore them as throwbacks, there would be people wondering why they were wearing University of Iowa uniforms.

by apk3000 :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 9:08am

I believe Spanos actually prefers the navy uniforms, which is just more proof that he's a terrible owner.

by Raiderjoe :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 10:58am

actuaklly I like charegrs unfirosm of doug flutie era. but also great are chuck Muncie era ones particular white jerseuys with yellow pants. btu also light blue of 1970s fine too. moist of Chargesr unfirosm have been top notch. current ones good not grat, though. think lightning bolts on pants little too cartoony aNS LIGHTING BOLT ON SHOULDER AREA ARE TOO HORIZONTAL and not vertical enough.

by Bryan Knowles :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 1:25pm

And I don't like the random area of white around the shoulder lightning bolts, either. It's not, like, aligned properly with the lightning bolt and looks sloppy.

by CBPodge :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 9:27am

I hate to be that guy Andrew. The Britannia Stadium was also the result of a naming rights deal, with the (now defunct) Britannia Building Society. Its no different from the Emirates (in that its had the same name since it was built). If you wanted to pick a similar stadium (i.e. somewhere in a town that no right-thinking person would go for any reason except watching football) with its original name, you could have gone with Turf Moor. Or St Marys. Or The Hawthorns.

by Bright Blue Shorts :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 10:38am

On the subject of shirt sponsorships, stadium naming rights - I'm always slightly surprised the NFL hasn't caught onto the idea of having advertising boards around the edge of the pitch (difficult behind the player's benches) but why let that stop them.

Or doing as rugby/cricket do and putting a logo actually on the pitch.

Also there is potential for different sponsors for every yardage line "And Tom Brady is sacked back at the Geico 40-yd line" ... "Aaron Rodgers completes the pass to Jordy Nelson at the State Farm Double Discount 23-yd line" ...

by Yu Narukami :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 11:10am

There is always a trade-off between revenues from sponshorships and the "cheapness" (or better said... the quality/image/branding value) of it.

No NFL franchise would accept a pornsite naming for the stadium, neither Aaron Rodgers would advertise erectile-dysfunction while being an active player, no matter the cash they would get.

Sponsorships on the yards line or even on the pitch could (in a minor way, of course) have that effect.

by Jerry :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 5:18pm

By not putting any advertising on or directly around the field, the league makes their TV rights more valuable, since people buying commercial time don't have to deal with competition during the game.

by Andrew Potter :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 12:59pm

Thanks. I couldn't find the details on the original name for the Britannia. I was sure it had to be sponsored, but I couldn't find information on a rights deal. Turns out, there actually wasn't an original name; it was never even given one! Which makes it an even more glaring example of what I mean. As is Walkers Stadium, now the King Power.

The Emirates, at least, was Ashburton Grove.

Also, Stoke City are the Potters, which is why I thought of them over West Brom.

by Yu Narukami :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 10:37am

So, I was not the only one loving the color rush Pats uniform. Still, throwback 2010 stays at the top.

But I don't mind the Flying Elvis over Pat Patriot (it is cool as a retro-homage, but that's it).

by jtr :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 10:53am

The answer for "Dated" has to be the Bucs. The wacky-alarm-clock jersey numbers look like a terrible idea from the 80s. Which is impressive since they were introduced in the 2000's.

by InTheBoilerRoom :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 11:08am

I'm a big fan of cities' professional teams all sharing a common color scheme, a la Pittsburgh and Seattle.

by Cruseydr :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 2:57pm

I assume you don't include the Mariners in Seattle's list of professional teams (we have a hard time with this too), as their colors don't match the Seahawks/Sounders

by InTheBoilerRoom :: Fri, 10/27/2017 - 2:18pm

It's true that the Mariners don't include the neon green accent color and have an aqua color (and that their qualifications as professional is debatable), but they share the navy blue, grey, and white colors. It's reasonably consistent.

by SandyRiver :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 11:11am

The Jags color rush is gold? Maybe it's my TV, but when I first saw them, I thought the players had been dipped in mustard. (Or maybe post-binge vomit.)

by xydux :: Sat, 10/28/2017 - 4:01pm

I personally thought they looked like they had rolled around in dog crap.

by ChrisS :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 11:14am

My random (non-uniform) uniform thoughts:
My problem with the single non-white color rush unis is that they remind me of PJ's
The large expanses of white on the Cards helmets makes it look to me like the players have giant heads
They already have a logos(s) on the uniform, Nike swoosh, but they are understated
TB numbers are ridiculous
I like the classic look of the Bears uniforms
I hope the Caribous wore cut-off jean shorts with those jerseys
Non-Uniform comment: I am not sure what Hue Jackson is doing to his QB is so terrible. Letting your rookie start is potentially getting him good experience, pulling him when he plays badly keeps him from getting PTSD type experience. Staying in the game while playing crappy just reinforces negative habits.

by Raiderjoe :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 12:38pm

In olsen tiems, like before 2000 but more so before a1985, rookie quarterbacks, if even got to play at all, would be jerked in and out of lineup. What H. Jackson ios doing with D. Kizer semes weird in 2017 btu if similar type thing happened in 1964, ti would be considered normal

by ChrisS :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 2:43pm

Yeah I remember a few QB tandems back in day. Staubach and Morton for the Cowboys, Landry and Munson for the Lions.

by Andrew Potter :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 1:38pm

And of course, right after I praise the Ravens jerseys as one of my favorites, this happens:

*Recoils in horror.*

by dmstorm22 :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 1:53pm

Why don't they go with the all-black. I get it, all-purple for the money, but their all-black look to me is my favorite uni set in the NFL.

Black-over-white is sharp as well for them.

Don't like the over-proliferation of black jerseys, but at least in the Ravens case the bird itself is black.

by Bryan Knowles :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 2:27pm

This is what you get for praising the purple!

by Dave Bernreuther :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 4:20pm

I could talk for days about uniforms.

For now, I'll just say this: Many years ago, someone submitted something to Uni Watch that was one of those very cool 3D draw your own uniform concepts of the Rams, with blue and white, but with silver accents, just kind of edging the horn and as the stripes on the pants.

They looked AMAZING.

I've tried to find it ever since, and have failed. That's what they should do. It'd be a nod to the old days (I may be one of the few that always hated the blue and yellows. Both they and the original blue/whites are just plain and dated to me) but fresher and new at the same time.

All three FL teams redesigned their uniforms in the last decade to actively make them much worse than before. The Dolphins' current set is fine, but the previous one was better. The original pewters were original and still excellent, but then totally destroyed by Nike. The Jags, well, they never looked all that great. But the Fred Taylor era teal jersey set was at least inoffensive.

All monochrome is bad, with the exception of all-white. But even that only works well for teams without a light third accent color (ie the Raiders, or the Lions before this year, which also made them look worse, at least in that regard.)

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Thu, 10/26/2017 - 4:59pm

In the late 90s or early 00s, the Jaguars had and all-black set as an alternative uniform, which looked fantastic (this is well before the Ravens started doing it). I really think they should have kept that for their home Uni’s, and white jersey/black pants for the road.

by xydux :: Sat, 10/28/2017 - 4:01pm

The problem is that you're then wearing black in Florida in September. It might look good, but heatstroke isn't exactly a smart idea.

by LionInAZ :: Fri, 10/27/2017 - 12:20am

I can't believe that the Lions silver and blue gets no recognition at all for best uni colors. Far better than the Packers green and yellow lawn tractor colors.

As for non-US football unis, I hate them because them because casual watchers can't tell which team is which because the unis don't have a prominent team logo, which is also an indictment of sponsors on unis.

by Bryan Knowles :: Fri, 10/27/2017 - 1:00am

Before this season, the Lions did not look good. At all. Another thing you can blame Matt Millen for, as he pushed for the addition of Unnecessary Black Everywhere.

Their new uniforms are an upgrade, no doubt, with the exception of their absolutely terrible, like, bottom of the barrel Color Rush all grey...thing. Their road unis, especially, are very nice, with the blue pants. I don't remember them ever wearing blue pants before, but it goes a lot better than the white/silver look they've rocked for...basically forever.

by Jerry :: Fri, 10/27/2017 - 3:44am

The Lions also get a demerit for putting the team name inside the sleeve stripe, but I agree that Honolulu blue and silver is a good combination.

by Raiderjoe :: Fri, 10/27/2017 - 7:11am

Loijs wore blue pants for spell towards end kf Barry Sanders era like maybe 1997

by Bryan Knowles :: Fri, 10/27/2017 - 3:48pm

Looking it up now, it looks like it was for one year in 1998. Good memory!

And a good look.