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17 Jul 2008

Walkthrough: Psychiatric Help, 5 Cents

by Mike Tanier

True story: There's a guy in one of my fantasy leagues who has picked a backup quarterback in the eighth round every year for the past five years.

He doesn't know he's doing it, but our commissioner keeps the old draft sheets. The guy usually grabs a starter in the third or fourth round, but is known to grab a Peyton Manning-type earlier every once in a while. But while you can't predict when he will pick his starter, you can set your watch by the backup.

Such predictable behavior got me wondering: What does your fantasy draft style say about your personality? Many of us have been playing fantasy football for almost 20 years, and we've fallen into patterns. Maybe you always lead off with two running backs, even if it isn't the best strategy for your league rules or spot in the draft order. Or maybe you refuse to draft a kicker until the final two rounds, even if you're down to drafting Jerome Harrison to fill the critical RB6 slot on your roster and Neil Rackers is your brother-in-law. Heck, some guys draft Mack Strong every year and won't accept logical counterarguments like "he's a fullback" or "he's retired."

With the help of the six credits of psychology I earned in 1988, I was able to identify common drafting patterns and match them with the personality traits they typify. Find your favorite fantasy philosophy on the list below, then read what it says about you. I warn you: It's like a probe thermometer into the fleshy part of your soul, so the experience may be unsettling.

Strategy: RB-RB-WR-QB

Style: The stone tablets of fantasy tactics were carried down from Mount Sinai, and you follow them with fundamentalist zeal. Get those two backs, then a top wideout, then settle the quarterback situation, then the next receiver, then patiently fill out your bench and periphery. No matter how the draft shakes out ("Oops, we all somehow forgot Steven Jackson, and the sixth round has started. Damn tequila shooters!"), stay the course, stay the course.

Personality: You are precise. For you, Everything in its Right Place isn't just the first track on Kid A. Setting your watch to Greenwich time isn't enough; sometimes, you just have to get some caesium-133 and measure a few billion periods for yourself to make sure the seconds are right. You label your underwear by days of the week, smoke alarm batteries by months of the year, and condoms by decade of the millennia.

Other Traits: Your satisfaction with the same strategy year after year reveals that you are a risk-averse conformist. You have a taste for the tepid: weak tea, bland food, CBS television. You still vote for the Whig party, and your flag lapel pin has only 48 stars because you can't think of Oklahoma and Arizona as anything other than Indian territories. You completely didn't get that Radiohead reference a paragraph ago.

Strategy: RB-RB-RB-etc.

Style: Got Joseph Addai in the first round? Super! Ryan Grant in the second? Why stop there? Nab Selvin Young in the third, and after making a concession to sanity by picking up a quarterback, start stockpiling the Garrett Wolfes.

Personality: You are a world-champion hoarder. Buying toilet paper by the palette at the wholesale club isn't enough for you. You steal copper pipes from demolition sites and stash them in your shed until the price reaches $5 per pound. You have enough canned tuna in your fallout shelter to stock Lake Baikal, and you plan to emerge from the apocalypse not just well fed and chipper, but ready to gouge your desperate neighbors with one-sided trades. "Sure, I have a pint of gasoline and two spoonfuls of peanut butter I can trade you ... for your daughter's virtue."

Other Traits: You think subtlety is for wimps and never met a problem that couldn't be solved by a bazooka blast. Your fear that all of the running backs in the NFL will get injured simultaneously, forcing you to start three tight ends and Reno Mahe, makes you only slightly less paranoid than the guy who writes the Ancient Aztec Aliens Altered My DNA in My Sleep blog.

Strategy: WR-WR-RB

Style: Always the iconoclast, you buck convention and load up on receiving divas in the first two rounds. Your little run 'n' shoot offense will need some run, though, so you find yourself saturation-drafting bargain basement committee backs in the final rounds.

Personality: You are as supple as the reed that bends, yet breaks not, in the typhoon's gale. You use your enemy's force against him and know that it's impossible to squeeze the ocean within your fist, yadda, yadda, fortune cookie logic, yadda. You believe you have mastered the Tao of fantasy football, and you have as much chance of winning your league as you do of sprouting two more heads and singing "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes" in full harmony.

Other Traits: You consider yourself a "free thinker," which somehow involves lots of henna tattoos, energizing crystals, and angry phone calls from creditors. You look down on the uncommitted vegans who can eat seed-bearing fruits without lamenting the unborn tree. You are proud of your hybrid's fuel cell, built from tofu sprouts and unicorn farts. Your need for late-round running backs has left you with a taste for the macabre, which causes conflict within you. You want to be a positive person, but you secretly wish that LaDainian Tomlinson would tear his ACL because you need Darren Sproles to start during a bye.

Strategy: RB-RB-TE (The Gates Guy)

Style: You are always the first guy to grab a tight end. You also pick a kicker around Round 8 and a defense in Round 9 or so, two healthy steps ahead of the curve. This year, it's Antonio Gates, Stephen Gostkowski, and the Bears. Ten years ago, it was Shannon Sharpe, Jason Elam, and the Panthers. Your quarterbacks often stink and your top wide receiver for five years was O.J. McDuffie, but you are always strong where you think it counts: the peripherals.

Personality: You're the guy who outsmarts the system, and you consider yourself a master of market inefficiencies. You dabbled as a day trader in the 1990s and a real estate speculator five years ago. You now own 20,000 shares of Boo.com and a $300,000 duplex in the Heroinville neighborhood of Addictowne, but that doesn't dissuade you of your genius.

Other Traits: You like to collect curios and oddities. You prefer vinyl to iPods, and you'll argue to the death that it's better to have slightly improved equalization and stereo separation than the ability to walk down the street listening to music. You enjoy fads that involve over-complicating things that should be easy, like soap making. You still brew your own beer, even though it went out of style a decade ago, and your friends politely swill the latest batch of J.W. Wittenlover Select even though it tastes like a blend of Guinness, WD-40, and rotting grass.

Didn't find yourself on the list? That's because, as a Football Outsiders reader, you transcend predictable strategies in favor of a more enlightened fantasy experience. The ultimate path to enlightenment is, of course, the KUBIAK projection system, plus the wisdom contained in Pro Football Prospectus. So get downloading. It's not just informative. It's self-actualizing.

Five Questions with A.J. Daulerio

When I first met A.J., he was following Will Leitch around like a timid little cockapoo during the God Save the Fan book signing in Philly. Little did I know that this shrinking violet would soon ascend to throne of all sports blogdom: the editor-in-chief position at Deadspin. It turns out that A.J. and I are both La Salle University graduates, so I asked him to offer Walkthrough some inside Deadspin info, talk a little 20th-and-Olney trivia, and help me fill space in July.

FO: How does the transfer or power at Deadspin take place? Is there a parade and inauguration, or executions and the smashing of statues?

A.J.: Little bit of both. Statues were smashed, but the parade was a very small one held inside my apartment with the tuba player from St. Maria Goretti High School and me beating on an empty tin of oatmeal. It was poignantly sad.

FO: How many staffers are still hoarse from shouting "sellout" at Leitch for the past month?

A.J.: Just Rick (Chandler). He hasn't taken the news well at all and is prone to violent outbursts when nudged too hard. I'll ask him to take a look at a story and he'll e-mail me back some intense, cryptic message about a dream he had the other night in which he choked me with oily rags. It's a little unnerving.

FO: The Brett Favre story has been your first real challenge as EIC. How does Deadspin handle a story that becomes a parody of the typical media orgy the moment it hits the news?

A.J.: It's a testament to how slow the sports news is this time of the year. It was amazing how quickly NFL Live just fire-bombed that story. I do think it's a good story -- not from the angle of him coming back, but for the absolute PR nightmare Packers' ownership was handed once that thing hit the mainstream. It was a predictable twist, but you could tell the Packers are ready and comfortable to begin moving away from the Favre era and ushering in the Aaron Rodgers one. This immensely complicates that unraveling process for them.

FO: What's better in Deadspin terms: a sport that is in season and has dozens of news stories breaking every day, or a sport out-of-season which only produces one trumped-up or utterly ludicrous story every few days?

A.J.: Good stories are good stories, but it obviously helps if one has an ongoing narrative that we can follow. If there's a story about a minor league mascot riot or a deadly accident during a bocce tournament, well that's over and done with pretty quickly. But anytime there's a compelling storyline that we can latch onto, the readers usually do the same -- and that usually happens when a sport is in season. Thankfully, the NFL is always in season.

FO: Deadspin has a lot of competitors/imitators. How do you plan to stay at the forefront of the sports humor blog market?

A.J.: I don't know if it's worth worrying about what other blogs are up to at this point since I'm still trying to get a handle on how to keep Deadspin successful with a semi-new regime. There will always be competition -- via mainstream media or blogs -- and Deadspin, right now, has the distinct advantage of being one of the more popular sports blogs out there. But it does have to keep up and that'll happen by making subtle changes here and there when necessary. I don't think we need to completely tear everything down and start over. Yet.

FO: Did you take over my corner desk at the La Salle Collegian offices in the basement of the student union building? Because things ... happened in that desk.

A.J.: Unfortunately, I don't think I've ever seen the La Salle Collegian offices. I only did a couple of movie reviews for them during the time I was at La Salle. I wish I did more when I was there because that paper turned out some quality people. Not you, though. You're disgusting.

FO: Chimay on tap at Monk's Tavern. Does it get any better than that?

A.J.: I'm actually a big fan of Dirty Frank's kamikaze specials and then grabbing some cream-dried beef on an English Muffin at Little Pete's. Chimay is for pu----s. But I do love Monk's burgers -- I just hate the inevitable 40 minute f-----g wait to get a table.

Note: A.J.'s views are completely his own and should not be considered the editorial opinion of Football Outsiders or of Chimay-swilling table hogs like yours truly.

Bards and True Bards

Did you know that William Shakespeare coined as many as 10,000 new words in his plays and sonnets? It's true. Without Shakespeare, we wouldn't have such everyday words as blushing, rant, Olympian, zany, parsimonious, ostrich, kettle corn, simonize, toolbox (as a pejorative; see Sonnet 49, Line 4), tramp stamp, Wobbuffet, or the all-important credendus.

My point is that Shakespeare coined thousands of new words while I have coined exactly zero. I have some catching up to do.

It's not that I haven't been trying. I'm a world-champion verber (the precise word for verbing is anthimeria) who always tried to turn player names into verbs in NFL Rundown. You know: "Byron Leftwich has a tendency to bledsoe in the pocket too long." Most of the new coinages were removed in editing, probably because they stunk. Still, in the fertile field of Internet football journalism, where the English language takes a daily curb-stomping, a prolific go-getter like me has to strike linguistic gold eventually. Here are some of the things I have been working on to make my mark upon the language:


I haven't even coined an acronym here at Football Outsiders, which is sad because the bar is set so low. Let's face it: DVOA doesn't exactly roll off the tongue. I clearly lack initial skill. My suggestion for DYAR was AYATDSOF, which I think sounds like a Tolstoy character when spoken. But I know it was a bad choice, because I don't even remember what it stands for.

I have some better candidates. You know those committee running backs who usually fill the third down receiver/kick returner/special teams contributor role? Let's call them THIRST backs: THIRd downs and Special Teamers. Catchy, right? It's even better than Baseball Prospectus' handy-if-gross LOOGY, IMHO (IMHO is a crappy acronym that caught on).

Well, I got approval to use THIRST in Pro Football Prospectus 2008, attached the label to Vernand Morency, and then forgot about it. When it came time to write about Kevin Faulk, I referred to him as a running back who usually fills the third down receiver/kick returner/special teams contributor role. We eventually edited THIRST out of the Morency comment because it was so lonely. The world doesn't need an adjective that only describes Vernand Morency, whose last name already sounds like an adjective. Of course, there are dozens of THIRST backs out there just waiting to be labeled. I think it's a great word, and maybe it will catch on in 2009 after I beat it into the ground this season.

My other BP-inspired creation is GURT, the Glorified, Undersized Right Tackle, an honest name for the backup tight end who never catches a pass. Like THIRST, GURT arose from PFP desperation. If you really want to break into this business, here's an exercise. Try to write something entertaining, informative, and unique about the following players: Billy Bajema, Dwayne Blakely, Joel Dreesen, Tim Massoquoi, Mike Merritt, Jerame Tuman, and Todd Yoder. You can only say so many times that the guy's role is to ride the bench until it's third-and-1, block for short running plays, and maybe catch one touchdown per year as the uncovered tight end on a goal-line play-action fake. If I had my way, I would just write GURT next to all of these guys and spend more of the book making fun of the Lions.


I did coin the word Favrocentric in PFP 2008. Sports Illustrated writer Drew Lawrence liked it enough to offer me a definition:

Favrocentrism (n) the regarding of or matters relating to Brett Favre as preeminent. This is not to be confused with 'Favreaucentrism,' which is more like the pervasive overlionizing of the movie Swingers.

Even when I win, I lose. In one Facebook blurb, Lawrence coined both Favreaucentrism and overlionizing.

I Googled (by the way, they hate that word at Google) Favrocentric and found zero matches, so it's mine. Next week, I will Google it again and find one match, this article. I fear that in a year I will repeat the process and find one lonely match, reading these very words for their frightful prescience. You can help by dropping the word regularly in weeks to come on Web sites and in casual conversation. There's plenty of Favrocentricism out there waiting to be labeled as such, and you get to be the cool kid using the hip new lingo before it goes out of style.

Coinages like Favrocentric or Favraphilia are too easy. Language experts have noted for years that bloggers toss suffixes around like ping pong balls, hoping to create funny phrasings that fall into the beer cups of our collective consciousness. Anyone can stick –esque, –ism, or –centric on the end of a name and create a new word of the moment. Favre's name is ubiquitous and easy to pronounce, so it lends itself to word creation; I might write that something is Houshmanzadah-esque, but I wouldn't say it aloud, and few people would understand what it means.

One word that I'm trying to nurture is fawnfavre: a sportswriter who makes a habit of gushing over one particular athlete. We all know Peter King is a fawnfavre, but he has plenty of peers throughout the industry. Steven A. Smith got as far as he could fawnfavring Allen Iverson, and top athletes like Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods inspire whole generations of fawnfavres.

A new word can only survive if it fills a linguistic necessity. THIRST does that: It replaces a common concept that requires six to ten words to describe with one catchy word. It's better than change-up back, which can mean different things in different situations (Correll Buckhalter is a change-up back but not a THIRST back). I think fawnfavre does the same thing: it replaces "syncophatic journalist" with a more evocative word, and it has less unpalatable connotations to the accurate-but-messy "fluffer."

Somehow, as I wrap up for this week, I feel that the best thing I can do for the planet isn't to add Favre's name to the lexicon, but to do some small part to remove it.

It's Possible

You don't have to follow the story.

You don't have to take the bait. You don't have to take sides. You don't have to get caught up in the reality television -- The Legend, The Team, The Retirement, The Trade Rumors. You can still be a fan, still love football, while ignoring the breathless updates, the interpretations, the text messages, the unpublished interviews that are somehow published.

You don't have to take the bait. This isn't the Biggest Story Ever. It doesn't affect anyone's legacy. Johnny Unitas on the Chargers. Babe Ruth on the Braves. We get it. This stuff happens. It doesn't change the balance of power in the NFL. The Legend can't take any team to the playoffs that isn't already 90 percent there, because he's a legend, not a player in his prime. The Team can go very far without him, just as they were prepared to do before The Retirement.

You don't have to take sides. You can love The Legend, appreciate his accomplishments, and still hate how he handled the last six months. You can root for The Team and still recognize their mixed feelings as they try to move on. You can respect The Team's management while still realizing that they are making a difficult call that could go either way. You don't have to call The Legend selfish or The Team arrogant or stupid. You can watch with detached interest, or bemusement, or not watch at all.

You can still be a fan without following the soap opera. The Trade Rumors and the soap opera are front-page news. You can read the bold type and then move on. Find the little stories. Get caught up with your season previews. Read Pro Football Prospectus 2008. Read the good annual magazines, like Pro Football Weekly's annual. Get reacquainted with the top colleges. Brush up on your football history. The ESPN crawl will prepare you for water cooler conversation. Spend the rest of your time nurturing your football soul. When The Legend is traded or released or punched in the face and sent to the broadcast booth, the mass media howl will inform you. We promise to do our part with a link in Extra Points.

You can still love football without this story. You may love it more. You can look upon The Legend, The Team, and this whole situation with greater perspective. We live on this planet. We know how these things go. Egos get damaged, long-range plans go awry, people have changes of heart. Grown men (or women), no different or better than us despite their athletic prowess or managerial wisdom, muddle toward a solution. All the while, a nation of sports fans jeer and chant. The whole experience can only end up bittersweet for everyone involved, including us.

You don't have to follow the story. Follow your love of football instead. It will lead you someplace better.

Posted by: Mike Tanier on 17 Jul 2008

76 comments, Last at 15 Aug 2008, 5:57pm by RB #25, Tulane


by Aaron N (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 11:32am


That last section is brilliant. Thanks.

by pawnking (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 11:38am

Mike, you're so funny it should be criminal.

by BCS (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 11:40am

You are proud of your hybrid’s fuel cell, built from tofu sprouts and unicorn farts.

Darn right I am, and I'm mad at you for revealing it before I got my patent approved =(


by drobviousso (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 11:41am

Hmm, what does RB -> (QB/WR) -> (QB/WR) then pounce on any RB and WR that had a good game in the hopes that he's the break out star of this year? AKA what I dubbed the "Pick up Ryan Grant 3 times off the wire" tactic?

by mawbrew (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 11:57am

I can't believe you're offering psychiatric help for only five cents. That's peanuts.

by Bobman (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 11:59am

#5 Brilliant, Dr. Van Pelt.

by mister yeti (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 11:59am

Not to step on anyone's toes, but may I humbly recommend favrefluffer, rather than fawnfavre? Also, "van susterened" should become a new verb meaning "to stick one's nose where it doesn't belong."

by lowerexpectationsbrownsfans (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 12:03pm

that part about being paranoid about starting 3 TE's and reno mahe is genius.

by Abysmal Horror (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 12:06pm

Well done, number 5.

Oh, and it's "Houshmandzadesque."

by dmb (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 12:13pm

5: That was beautiful.

by Tom D (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 12:21pm

Re 5:


by JW (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 12:46pm

How about favreitism?

by Temo (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 12:46pm

Here, let me try it:

"In a questionable move, the Dallas Cowboys used a first round draft pick on a Thirst back."

Hey, works for me.

by bravehoptoad (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 12:55pm



by Nathan (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 1:08pm

Tainer, the only man who does sports humor I actually find entertaining. Well, him and raiderjoe.

by Nathan (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 1:09pm

My anti-spam word was Tanier, and I still managed to misspell his name.

by Mike (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 1:18pm

I just want a working defintion for "scatback"

by Rich L (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 1:27pm

That last section is probably the best comment on the whole Favre situation I have read.

On the subject of coining new words Iain Dowie, manager of Crystal Palace (soccer) talked about his teams "bouncebackability" in an interview. This led to a campaign on TV to get the word into the English dictionary over here in the UK!

by Temo (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 1:38pm

17. The Merriam-Webster definition is "an offensive back in football who is an especially fast and elusive ballcarrier"

Which is an absurd definition, because I don't recall anyone saying that Barry Sanders or Gale Sayers were scatbacks.

by mister yeti (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 2:14pm

17: Najeh Davenport is the only scatback I am aware of in the history of the NFL.

by Kurt (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 2:34pm

yea Monk's!

Though I favor getting a pot of mussels instead of a burger with my beer.

by ChrisFromNJ (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 3:26pm

Chimay on tap at Monk’s Tavern. Does it get any better than that?

No, no it doesn't.

by Lou (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 3:39pm

You had me at Wobbuffet. Bless you, sir.

by NewsToTom (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 3:52pm

I bow down before thee, Mike T.

by Nathan (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 3:53pm

Bush and Dunn are scatbacks. Otherwise, I have no idea what the word means. I think it means tiny. In that case, my favorite scatback is bob sanders.

by bravehoptoad (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 4:35pm

I appreciate, Mike, that you didn't go for the easy laughs with guys who draft, for instance,

Strategy: QB, QB, QB, etc.


Strategy: DEF, Kicker, TE, etc.

by Temo (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 4:48pm

26. Brings up memories of my first ever fantasy draft, when I was 11... "So I can have Steve Young AND Troy Aikman start at the same time? SWEET!"

by masoch (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 5:19pm

Re #17,
In a mostly unrelated vein, I recently purchased some toilet paper and dispensers for my restaurant from a company called Tork.

Their website?

I kid you not. Apparently, they were purchased by Svenska Cellulosa Aktiebolaget, a Swedish company, and the employees have chosen to just laugh hysterically rather than inform them. Or... it's the second greatest marketing ploy EVER. Just behind "this is the most sophisticated piece of electronics you will EVER pee on".

by mister yeti (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 5:25pm

#17, #28: Mr. Davenport would deny that these things are unrelated. Or, at least, I will on his behalf.

by DB (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 6:02pm

RE : Everyone

This is already the best set of comments on this site ev-er (#5 wins, although #20 is close). It's positively cromulent. If raiderjoe chimes in, my computer may explode.

by DB (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 6:05pm

RE 28 : I had a friend work for Morrison and Foerster in DC. Google "Morrison and Foester" and check out the web address...

by Yinka Double Dare (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 6:14pm

Chimay on tap at Monk’s Tavern. Does it get any better than that?

I will take a St Bernardus 12 over a Chimay any time. But I hear good things about Monk's. My local beer bar actually has the Flemish sour red that is brewed for Monk's on tap.

by James, London (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 6:52pm

Just wanted to add my $0.02 to the hymns of praise for the column and the thread. Bravo. And I don't know the bar, but Chimay is good stuff.

by Admore (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 9:00pm

Farvile - related to servile, Peter King is Farvile.

Farvision - ESPN

Farvector - the shortest possible route a football can travel between a WR and Brett Favre. The presence of a DB along the farvector is immaterial. see also "Farvectomy"

Farvectomy - 1: the loss of possession through a brutal 4th quarter INT, or 2: The devastating loss of Brett Favre related media material, for any reason. eg - ESPN will take any steps to avoid a complete Farvectomy.

Farvitis - victims of Farvitis lose the ability to shave

@17 - Scatback is defined as "a coprophilic ballcarrier" or "a running back who works blue"

by Bob in Jax (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 9:12pm

I had to look! Check out this actual copy from the scatissue.com site:

"SCA Tissue provides washroom, tabletop and wiper products with the variety, quality and performance that customers demand. An in-depth knowledge of our customers' businesses means our products work hard to eliminate waste"


by mister yeti (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 9:46pm

Now if only Davenport would catch on with the Browns.
"Najeh squeezes it through the hole for a gain of two!"

Honorary scatbacks: Deuce McAllister, Duce Staley.

by JDOE (not verified) :: Thu, 07/17/2008 - 11:25pm

RE #17
LOL, I thought you were making a poop related joke about SCATbacks there for a second.

You know, like they really stink or something!

by Bobman (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 1:04am


You beat me to it with #20 and I said "dang," then just blew me out of the water with #36. I am so not worthy.

How about if he squeezes through the hole at the the goal line for a TD conversion? Two points AND two yards... more subtle, but yours is much, MUCH better. If only it could have been comment #2, it would have been turd-perfect. (wasn't that a software program years ago?)

OMG, if he catches on with the Browns, then the media have to refer to his stats as "runs" and not "rushes" or "carries." And when he goes for no gain, he's all stopped up. So he goes back to the sideline for a cup of coffee and a newspaper to see if he can get things going again. "Davenport almost squirted through hole but the defensive end pinched off the hole before he got far."

And of course if the Browns win the AFC, then he's headed for the biggest bowl of all.

okay, I quit.

by Talyth (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 1:09am

Re. 26
A family member of mine drafted a kicker in the first round of our fantasy draft last year. Seriously.

by masocc (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 4:13am

re #35:

Well, now I'm *definitely* leaning towards this being an intentional tongue in cheek joke/marketing ploy.

Thanks! (I hadn't actually looked at the website... for the most part, a TP dispenser is a TP dispenser. *insert polished turd reference here*)

by masocc (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 4:13am

Is this the official FO toilet humor thread yet?

by Becephalus (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 4:33am

The KA/A reference bought this column a few more reads from me. After years of waiting...

by mister yeti (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 7:31am

38: Of course, if Davenport signs with the Browns, his nickname immediately becomes "The Cleveland Steamer."

This needs to happen.

by Temo (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 9:53am

I like how Tanier left off on a rather high-minded piece about the love of football and the football soul and we've somehow ended up on the Cleveland Steamer. This is why FO comment threads are awesome.

by Independent George (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 10:06am

There's so much material here, I don't know which comment to shamelessly rip off to name my Loser League Team.

by Possuum (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 10:23am

What about the drafter who drafted Marshawn Lynch, Lee Evans, J.P. Losman 3 rounds to early last year because of the inevitable Bills renaissance and their sheer underrated-ness?

And for the record: poop.

by Theo, Netherlands (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 10:44am

"You steal copper pipes from demolition sites and stash them in your shed until the price reaches $5 per pound"
5 dollars - that's what? A euro?

by Independent George (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 11:00am

forget pipes & wiring; the real money's in pre-1978 pennies.

by Mike (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 11:24am

Where does the irresolute homer fit into this? #46 got me thinking, since my league is about half Bills fans, and Willis McGahee went #1 overall in 2005.

When you actually like your players, the stakes start going up, and up, until they all come crashing down as you lose the championship and your team misses the playoffs on the same day, on the same play.

by NewsToTom (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 11:58am

Rich Eisen, on Gameday, said BenR "plopped" a TD throw in to Najeh.

by MilkmanDanimal (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 12:01pm

Can there be a new stat, specifically for scatbacks? Something to measure their ability to change direction . . . Forward Into Backwards Reaction? I think scatbacks really need a FIBR stat, personally.

by mister yeti (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 12:33pm

51: Actually, I have been working on a new stat, specifically for scatbacks, which I call the Forward and Lateral Upper-body Strength Holistic Early-career Regression, or FLUSHER.

When calculated, this stat results in an integer value between zero (click link in my name) and two, with a FLUSHER value of two obviously being the most desirable.

Scatbacks with a FLUSHER value of two really leave it all out there on the field.

by MilkmanDanimal (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 12:41pm

I don't believe FLUSHER is adequate, as it doesn't adequately compensate for the abilities of the other team. There's a real need to adjust it upwards to get it right, so I've come up with a Defense-Undervalued Mean Projection as well as a Coaching Regressive Adjusted Projection.

Both of those work better than my utterly failed attempt to come up with a way to modify Adjusted Line Yards for the particular running style of the back in question. Scatback-Helped Intensive Tracker . . . man, I pissed away a lot of time trying to get that one right.

by Aaron (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 12:59pm

I'm pretty sure Madden once referred to the A-Gap as the A-Hole during a game, so you could always have Davenport pushing through the a-hole.

by Mike Tanier :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 1:50pm

This is what I got into this business for!

by Boston Dan (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 1:56pm

who cares? Deadspin is not as funny as The Onion or anything else that is truly funny. Not as usefull as FO, for instance. What is the point of reading Deadspin? If you have time to waste, you should use it to improve yourself. There is no wasted time. Reading Deadspin is nothing but a distraction.

by Boston Dan (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 1:58pm

My league starts 1 QB, 2 WR, 1 RB, 1 Flex RB/WR, 1 TE, 1 K and 1 Def/ST.

I'm drafting Brady or Manning in the first round and most likely loading up on WRs and/or Gates in rounds two and three. RBs are vastly overvalued in this format.

by Temo (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 2:28pm

55. C'mon now, Mike... everyone appreciates a poop joke every now and then. And so many good ones in one thread!

56. You need to lighten up a little.

by Aaron N (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 3:33pm

Boston Dad,

Agree, 100%.

by Admore (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 7:29pm

Dear Mssrs. Tanier, Schatz et al,

As of our last marketing strategy meeting we advocated pursuing a Football Outsiders format heavy on thoughtful, rigorous, occasionally humorous analysis with a leavening of Bretty Favre jokes as the best way to reach your target audience. After extensive field-testing we must now inform you that this strategy is no longer optimal, or perhaps, even valid.

Going forward we recommend a format of 10% Analysis and 90% Poop Jokes (also see Scatological Humor). Despite the high levels of education and discernment we believe your audience possesses we must bow to facts. Poop works. Poop is funny. Shit sells. And if shit sells, then we urge you to sell some shit. #2 is the new #1!


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Thos. Crapper & Associates

by Possuum (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 7:52pm

Well there is always the important Forward Line-adjustment Over Average Totaled plus Effective yards Rushing.

by Raiderjoe (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 10:23pm

stoped reading at unicorn farts sentenice. have to go take a leak now.

by Raiderjoe (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 10:35pm

sound like dumb Chiefs fan.

Madden is in Hall of fame now and really made name gor hismelf as head coach of raiders. great playoff reocord . also good anouncer but betetr as coach. always brings pride to raiders.

by Raiderjoe (not verified) :: Fri, 07/18/2008 - 10:43pm

good fantasy picks for you to mkmake in 2008
pick good Rb in 1st round like Westroock, Addai or peterson.
then in 2nd round pick another good Rb or good Wr like Andre Johnson. in 3rd round pick Jamarcus Russell. going to have great season 26 Td passes, 10 Ints. Raiders going to playoffs so you know picking their Qb is good fantsy pick.
in 4th round pick Wr or Rb whatever you need/
5th round to 10the tound- Wr, Rb, TE, Rb, Wr

11th round get defense here
12th round kicker
13th round backup Qb take backup of Packers here as starter not going to last season I take Brian Broom rookie from Lousiville here as prorbably start games around Halloween time when team starts 2-6 or soemthing with Riodgers aas staretr. (farve probably going to get tarded to Redsins or Bucs or some other team).

15th round just whatevcer you need I go with extra Rb at ends of draft
get kicker in last round

good sleepers A Shields (Raiders WR) (going to be sleeper of season very good chance at good rookie stats like M Colston had as rookie with Saoints one year when rookie as the other year when Saints were good) (team back to crapville now)

by Temo (not verified) :: Sat, 07/19/2008 - 11:35am

Soooo.... anyone out there get past "in 3rd round pick Jamarcus Russell"? I kinda had to stop there.

by tally (not verified) :: Sat, 07/19/2008 - 2:24pm

Re 65: Keep reading, you missed "farve probably going to get tarded to Redsins or Bucs or some other team."

by Aten (not verified) :: Sat, 07/19/2008 - 3:06pm

Isn't 'Bledsoe in the pocket too long' redundant?

by Robeh (not verified) :: Sun, 07/20/2008 - 8:51pm

Yesterday I woke up sucking on Cleo Lemon.

by justanothersteve (not verified) :: Sun, 07/20/2008 - 9:56pm

I wished I read this a few days ago. That last section was simply Favre-alous.

by Tim (not verified) :: Mon, 07/21/2008 - 4:39pm

Great article.
The comments just keeps getting better and better.
And some others.

by Shaun P. (not verified) :: Tue, 07/22/2008 - 11:01am

Hey Mike, just FYI - LOOGY was John Sickels's creation, not BP's. Loved the bit about making up words.

by Displaced Cane (not verified) :: Tue, 07/22/2008 - 1:16pm

Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any better, Raiderjoe chimes in with "farve probably going to get tarded to Redsins."

Seriously, can someone please hook up a breathalyzer/ignition interlock device to his computer?

by Kevin from Philly (not verified) :: Wed, 07/23/2008 - 10:01am

I was wondering where you came up with "Heroinville neighborhood of Addictowne". Then I read that you went to LaSalle - now I know.

by bengt (not verified) :: Fri, 07/25/2008 - 7:34am

#51: I think you are looking for Fungibility-Adjusted Reactive Transformation.

by wordcop (not verified) :: Sat, 07/26/2008 - 6:38pm

You meant SYCOPHANTIC instead of “syncophatic journalist” didn't you?

by RB #25, Tulane (not verified) :: Fri, 08/15/2008 - 5:57pm

On the RB spectrum there are power backs on one end and scat backs on the other.

Scat backs: Reggie Bush, Anthony Aldridge