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27 Sep 2010

Walkthrough: Vick's Every Move

by Mike Tanier

In this Walkthrough Special, a throw-by-throw recap of Michael Vick's performance against the Jaguars.

Drive 1: Vick's first pass was a short waggle to Brent Celek for a minimal gain. He then ran a short quarterback draw after a play fake for a few yards. On third down, he dropped, threw off his back foot, and overthrew DeSean Jackson on a short drag.

Drive 2: After two running plays, Vick runs for eight yards on third-and-2. He's sacked two plays later on a bad play by the Eagles line. Terrance Knighton just peels off the block by Nick Cole and gets to Vick, who has nowhere to run. Vick throws a 63-yard touchdown to DeSean Jackson on the next play. It's a good throw and a patient play by Vick, who waits for Jackson to completely cross the field before throwing.

Drive 3: Vick misses Jeremy Maclin on a five-yard hitch route. It's an awful throw. Two plays later, he hits Owen Schmitt on a diving two-yard reception on third-and-1. Two plays later, a short pass over the middle from an empty-backfield set is tipped at the line. On third down, Vick really wants Jackson on a slant, but Celek has a hard time releasing from his defender, and Jackson and Celek are in the same part of the field when Vick throws, and the pass falls incomplete.

Drive 4: Starting deep in Eagles territory, Vick makes a play fake and throws deep over the middle to Maclin, but the ball is a few yards behind the receiver. After a running play, Vick waits too long in the end zone and is hit by Knighton as he throws. Luckily, the ball falls harmlessly in the middle of the field.

Drive 5: Vick hits Jackson along the left sideline on a sprint out. It's a good play design and well executed. After a six-hour challenge, Vick checks down to LeSean McCoy for a few yards. Vick then hits Jackson on a dig route from the slot. Jackson breaks free and gets a block, gaining 25 yards. Vick rolls left to elude the rush on first-and-10, throwing deep but missing Maclin by a yard or two. It's a good play and a catchable ball if the timing is just right. A Vick scramble up the middle, which featured a broken tackle and what looked like a late hit, is called back for holding. Two plays later, the Eagles convert third-and-19 when Jaguars safety Sean Considine tackles Maclin a second before the ball arrives. The pass is probably completed if Considine plays the ball cleanly. Given another first down, Vick sits in the pocket forever before throwing too high for McCoy. Once again, he is hit as he throws. The Eagles run some junk plays and then go for it on fourth-and-short, coming up short ... at least according to the refs.

Drive 6: Two-minute drill. Vick lingers in the pocket again, getting hit and bouncing the ball to Riley Cooper. Vick scrambles on the next play, dumping to McCoy for two yards with a defender draped on him. The next pass may be Vick's best of the game. He drops the ball to Celek up the seam for 21 yards, really threading it into space. Celek gets up clutching his shoulder but later returns. Vick throws up the seam to a backup tight end on the next play, but he's essentially throwing the ball away. The next two passes are excellent: a pass to Maclin on an out-route, then a slow-developing play behind seven-man protection where Vick waits for Maclin to run to the back of the end zone, then come back for the ball. Touchdown.

Drive 7: Third quarter. Celek drops a catchable pass. On a play action pass from I-formation, Vick hits Jackson, but the receiver doesn't get both feet down. It's not a bad throw. Vick hits Maclin over the middle for eight yards on third-and-10. Maclin tries to get up and run, but is down by contact.

Drive 8: Vick takes a sack on a shotgun play-action pass on second-and-8. There's a lot of penetration, so there isn't much he could have done; three defenders converge on him. Jackson lines up in the slot on third-and-15, and the Jaguars blitz the slot defender. Vick makes the right read and throw, but Jackson decides to shake and bake instead of diving for the first down. It's a good play by Vick and a mental mistake by Jackson. The Eagles punt.

Drive 9: Vick's 45-yard touchdown to Maclin. Maclin gets an easy release on what appears to be Cover-2 defense, and Vick drops the ball in the basket before the safety can arrive.

Drive 10: Vick underthrows the ball off his back foot, but Jaguars cornerback David Jones makes a terrible play on the ball and Jackson gains 41 yards. I don't want to editorialize too much, but at this point the announcers start praising Vick for his ability to throw off his back foot, which makes me a little sick to my stomach. There's a dump to Schmitt, a sack where Vick doesn't read the safety blitz, and a screen to Celek that gains 15 yards on third-and-14. Two plays later, Vick scrambles up the middle for a 17-yard touchdown.

Late Drives: With the score 28-3, the Eagles start getting conservative. On one fourth-quarter drive, Vick runs for two yards on a bootleg on second-and-10, then throws off his back foot and high over the middle for Jason Avant. Vick's final throw, late in the fourth quarter, is like his first: a rollout pass to Celek for a minimal gain.

Summary: Any game in which a quarterback throws three touchdown passes and runs for another is a very good game. Vick obviously did a lot of things right, and there were several plays where his experience was as important as his athleticism. It's true that he waited for several plays to develop, including two of his touchdown passes. Listening to the commentary, there was a lot of talk about a new Vick, one who doesn't make bad decisions or throw off-target passes. I didn't see that Vick, and you won't find that Vick in the summary I just provided. This was a strong game overall, but there were a lot of danger signs -- sacks, bad throws, bad plays by the defense that the Eagles got away with -- that tell me that the old Vick is still hanging around, waiting to show himself against a good NFL defense.

Posted by: Mike Tanier on 27 Sep 2010

62 comments, Last at 30 Sep 2010, 7:16am by tuluse


by Harris :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 10:00am

That's a little unfair, Mike. Vick is never going to be a hyper-precise passer who can run through a thousand scenarios every second like Peyton Manning, but he has certainly tamped down his instinct to run at the first sign of trouble and his tendency to make terrible decisions. Some of his passes were, really, just awful but his decision-making was usually spot-on.

Hail Hydra!

by Kevin from Philly :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 10:06am

Yo mike, what gives? You've been excessively down on the Eagles this season. It seems like everything you've posted has had a ton of snarky comments (or maybe a ton more than the usual number of snarky comments), whether it's the Times columns, Walkthrough or whatever. Is the book thing getting you down? Phillies setting too high a bar?

by NJBammer :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 10:06am

"Good Vick vs Bad Vick", I predict, will be this season's "Manning vs. Brady" type of divisive issue. I'm an Eagles fan, and I'm pretty much on the "Good Vick" side of the debate at this point. He lingered in the pocket and had some poor reads, and it was a poor defense, but he made some throws and reads which showed why he'll keep opposing DCs up at night with the sweats. And to me, it was a thing of beauty to see him scrambling, then setting his feet. Watching, I just know something pretty good is about to happen.

by Xeynon (not verified) :: Wed, 09/29/2010 - 7:05am

Count me as one Eagles fan who's very much convinced that we'll see bad Vick before the end of the season, likely as soon as he faces a decent defense. As improved as he is, he's still too inaccurate and inconsistent to be an elite passer, and he's got a 16-34, 3 pick stinker or two in him, which I think we'll see at some point.

It somewhat amazes me that Eagles fans are jumping on the bandwagon so quickly with him, because to my eyes he has all the same flaws that drove them crazy about McNabb, only moreso. At least McNabb tended to misfire low, where the defense wouldn't be able to intercept - instead of the worms, Vick's misfires are more likely to go to the other team.

by Tim Schultz (not verified) :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 10:14am

This is a great illustration of evaluating performance rather than outcomes. If you just look at the outcome (that's you, Pete King), it looks like Vick is all world. If you look at the performance, it looks like Vick played pretty well. Here's a reasonable scenario for Vick: given that he's older, wiser, and less mobile, he's more patient than he used to be, and that will pay off bigtime with Jackson and Maclin. Being less mobile may actually *help* him, as he still has exceptional mobility that is better than the older version of Donavan McNabb. So: he's more elusive than McNabb, has the same strong arm/accuracy issues, and is also niftier than McNabb on play fakes/short yardage, which will help the Eagles always suspect short yardage game. All in all, that's like upgrading from 2009 McNabb to 2004 McNabb. Given that the Eagles looked like the best team in the NFC going into week 16 last year (before Dalls overpowered their lines), Eagles fans should be optimistic. And I say that as an Eagles hater.

by electricmayhem :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 10:15am

I came away from the game thinking Vick did great but reading this summary has changed my mind a bit. I think watching The Charlie Batch Experience for three hours prior to the Eagles game colored my judgment a bit.

by nat :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 11:04am

Don't jump to such hasty conclusions. By my count, Mike mostly credited Vick with performance consistent with the results. He lists three plays that had bad results that he deemed good plays by Vick. He lists one play with a bad result, that he deems a very bad play. He lists one play with a great result, which he deems a bad play.

It's hard to interpret this kind of writeup. Not only is it colored by Mike's impressions, it's also hard to know what baseline to compare this to. Is it normal to have 3 good passes result in incompletions? I don't know. How often do underthrown balls result in completions anyway? And who am I to say a throw was bad if the ball was caught?

My read, trusting Mike's subjective judgments for now, is that VOA will slightly overestimate Vick's performance. Nothing in this writeup convinces me that Vick was somehow unusually lucky to get the results he got.

by nat :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 9:26am

After reviewing the play-by-play, I no longer trust Mike's subjective judgments about Vick. He describes 4 and 5 yard gains on first down as "minimal gain", a check down for "a few yards", and "a dump". That's a lot of minimizing or negative baggage dumped onto smart, successful plays. And in case you're thinking that football is about big plays on first down, Vick had 4 of them, which is more than Peyton Manning (that over-rated checkdown artist!?!) or Tom Brady (that game-managing system-QB!?!) had this week.

by RickD :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 10:44am

ESPN Sportscenter just said that Vick has been the league MVP thus far.

by Basilicus :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 10:57am

League MVP thus far should go to Peyton Manning or Clay Matthews, and I say that as someone firmly on the Brady side of the Manning/Brady debate. I could also see it going to James Harrison, Arian Foster, or Brandon Flowers at this point.

by NJBammer :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 11:06am

He's the ESPN MVP, since he gives them something to talk about and get all histrionic about.

by tuluse :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 4:03pm

Jay Cutler should actually be in the conversation. He has been tearing it up, with no running game, a porous offensive line, and while I like the Bear's receivers, their certainly no Wayne, Clark and co.

by BenM (not verified) :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 10:52am

"Vick hits Maclin over the middle for eight yards on third-and-10. Maclin tries to get up and run, but is down by contact."

I like how that sounds like he knocked Maclin over with the throw.

by jds (not verified) :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 11:02am

Mike, you are never going to be able to dodge the "Vick Hater" label, no matter how you use facts to support your view. From Peter King on Vick: He's thrown no interceptions, and has a 110.2 quarterback rating. He's never had a rating higher than 81 in his career.

So his passer rating is 110.2 after games against the Lions and the Jaguars, and his carrer peak is 81. Do you think Andy Reid is a genius (don't answer that), or do you think that once he sees some NFL defences, he might not look as good.

by t.d. :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 6:08pm

While these are indeed the Jags and the Lions, both teams significantly upgraded their defensive lines in the offseason (Detroit added Suh and Vanden Bosch, the Jags added Kampman, who looks terrific), so it remains to be seen if these are awful pass defenses. I don't think Vick will finish with a rating over 100, but, with the addition of his running ability, he has been extremely good so far

by Manonanon (not verified) :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 7:50am

As a Jags fan, the line may be pretty good now, but the secondary is absolutely terrible.

by t.d. :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 2:52pm

Yeah, and it was last year, too. Seems like the formula for defending the pass is 'pressure the quarterback and cover'. They can at least do half of that, whhich is an improvement from last year.

by Joseph :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 11:16am

Mike, as an Eagles fan, what would be your take on this scenario (if it were to happen)?
Vick "leads" the Eagles to a good-enough record to get them to the playoffs, but about week 15/16 gets injured. Kolb comes in, plays good enough to secure that playoff spot, getting some experience/timing with the 1's, and then plays in the playoff game(s).

by qed :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 3:47pm

If Kolb only got a couple weeks as the starter he'd probably struggle in the playoffs. I think he needs more than a couple games to develop, and I don't think he'll get that this year unless Vick gets hurt. Reid kept Vick in at the 8:00 mark with a 28-3 lead over a Jags team who hadn't shown much offense all day. That's the right call in terms of securing the win, but it demonstrates that Reid isn't too concerned with developing Kolb.

by Bobby Wommack (not verified) :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 11:23am

Bill Barnwell approves of his article.

by chemical burn :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 11:25am

Writing about Vick without mentioning his effect on the running game is pointless. Or rather, it means not writing about a significant portion of his value. Interestingly, I think in this game, he didn't have as much of an effect on the running game as he normally does... but since there's no analysis, that's almost purely speculative on my part. I will say LeSean McCoy of the -4.5 DVOA suddenly leading the league in DVOA might have something to do with Vick's presence...

by TruFalcons (not verified) :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 5:58pm

Agreed. I was hoping to see some more play diagrams from Tanier on this as I noticed the Eagles running some Rich Rodriguez-style zone read.
Lesean Mccoy looks to be a good RB, but the draw play looks a lot more effective when the two DEs are in the backfield staring at the QB as a run threat while the play goes straight up the middle.

Some of the comments on Maclins targets being inaccurate seem pretty inaccurate themselves. Fact is Maclins hands cost the Eagles multiple big gainers.

by Tampa Bay Mike (not verified) :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 11:36am

This looks like mostly the same Vick to me, except that the Philly receivers catch the ball when it's catch-able. I haven't noticed any outright drops yet. The Michael Vick Experience in Atlanta although exciting must-see-TV was frustrating as well because Crumpler and Finneran were the only two guys who would catch the ball consistently. Roddy White used to drop a lot of balls as well - he needs to stay away from strong-arm QB's I guess. Like most legit quarterbacks, when given time Vick is accurate. The main change that I see is that Vick is choosing to throw more when he could run instead. This could be maturity, coaching, or just more confidence in the receiving unit.

by Mike W :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 11:51am

Sounds to me like Vick's passes get more accurate the longer they are, which is not news, but still important, given that's kind of the opposite of Kolb's skill set.

by qed :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 12:59pm

The Eagles protection improved greatly in the second half. I'm not sure how much of it was improved offensive line play and how much was coaching adjustments, it seemed like they started keeping more RB and TE in for protection. I don't think Vick is going to beat pressure with quick throws so I'd expect the Eagles to use stronger protections, QB movement, and the screen game. Pretty much the same stuff they did with McNabb, especially in the early part of his career.

I was kinda hoping Kolb would be the guy who finally let them use 3-4WR packages against pressure and beat the rush with quick throws.

by Harris :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 1:26pm

Part of it is that Reggie Wells, who came in after halftime, is a better RG than Nick Cole.

Hail Hydra!

by chemical burn :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 1:44pm

Really? I saw Wells get abused on several plays and actually thought "Why did they take out Cole?" I'd be happy to have my casual observation proven wrong... but I thought Wells was glaringly terrible.

It was nice to see McGlynn in the second half start to point out protections and make some calls to the line. He's still not very good, but at least he's taking some baby steps towards running the line...

by Harris :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 3:07pm

The OL was better after halftime. This means either 1) they made an adjustment and Reid is not known as much of an in-game coach or 2) the guys out there began playing better. It's possible you saw Wells getting abused, but he was get abused less often than Cole.

Hail Hydra!

by qed :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 3:48pm

Was the OL better or were they getting more help? I'm not doing charting this year so I didn't save the game on DVR but it seemed to me like Andy and Marty were leaving more guys in to block in the second half.

by Hank (not verified) :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 2:43pm

If it is the poor defenses, you feel bad for Kolb. He could have been the one dicing the jags and looking forward to washington/san fran. As it is, a couple more starts will probably set Vick as the starter for the season (though maybe he now is)

by zlionsfan :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 5:44pm

what's funny is that the way things are going so far, Detroit's pass defense doesn't look atrocious like it did going into the season.

I mean, it's not very good, and of course it has time to collapse further, but so far they've generated decent pressure and actually forced a few turnovers. I'll chart Eagles-Lions tomorrow, so maybe that'll clear things up a bit, but right now, even though my heart says that Vick took advantage of a bad defense, maybe that wasn't quite so much the case. (As for the Jaguars, well ...)

But yeah, if Kolb had been healthy and had put up similar passing numbers against Detroit and Jacksonville, it might be a different discussion.

by Wanker79 :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 5:26pm

As an ex-Eagles' fan, I was really rooting for them to kill Jacksonville yesterday. And now I'm going to spend the rest of the week making sacrifices to every manner of deity I can think of to usher in an absolute drubbing by the McNabb lead Redskins this coming weekend.

The tears on every sports talk radio show in the area, alternating between "Vick is the second-coming of the messiah" and "I wish we still had McNabb" will be delicious.

Former Eagles Fan. Go JETS!

by southpaw2 (not verified) :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 6:30pm

My only problem with this article is the take on the back foot throw to Jackson. There really aren't too many QBs in the league who could get away with that throw, and I might be giving them too much credit, but that looked like a designed timing pattern. Vick basically dropped three steps and Jackson was looking back for the ball at essentially the moment it was released. At that point you have one of the most talented WRs in the league going one on one with a DB in space, and if it's not an elite DB, we know who is going to win that matchup the majority of the time. Plus the placement of the throw completely negated the saftey help over the top.

Good critique though all in all. It's just like the general media to get carried away with this story, although as a Vick fan, I'm enjoying some of this. We can debate the finer points of his stats and weaknesses, but he's an awesomely talented player who is a joy to watch when he's "on".

by Big Fella (not verified) :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 7:04pm

There is virtually zero analysis in this article. Waste of time.

by phillyangst :: Mon, 09/27/2010 - 9:14pm

The deal with Vick is his instincts vs. his conscience. His maturity as a quarterback is in conflict with what has made him a phenomenon at the position.

I agree with Tanier that the Iggles will have to deal with a game where Vick is surviving the best he knows how. And his legs will only take him but so far.

This reminds me of the early years with McNabb. There was no doubt that 5's mobility produced positive results. But was a personal albatross for McNabb as a quarterback. There was no middle ground until injuries made him more of a passer, some what.

Vick is dealing with a conundrum of "keepin' it real" or listening to the voice in his helmet. That indecision makes him a step slower or a second too late in making a play successful.

Keep warming up Kolb. Reid might be telling you, "Time is yours." quite soon.

"DVOA loves Philadelphia!"

by onetime91 :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 1:50am

Hey, writer - you don't like Michael Vick. We get it. Spend more time exaggerating other quarterback's two or three lone bad plays in an otherwise wonderfully played game. It's a brilliant idea. Enjoy the company of your golden retriever.

by The Ninjalectual :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 2:19am

Is this website suddenly seeing a new audience? A lot of the unverified commenters don't seem to know what to expect, and they are really lost when it comes to understanding RaiderJoe...

by Bobman :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 3:17am

is poster drnuk?

Nobody really understands rj. Appreciate him, yes. Be impressed with his comprehensive and seemingly instantaneous recall of 70s/80s arcana... definitely. But understand him? I say rj is an onion, wrapped in a riddle, in a box the shape of an enigma. Inside a Sierra Nevada keg.

and wouldn;t hvae it any ohter way.

by qed :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 8:17am

The FO writers have been branching out with the ESPN Insider stuff, Tanier's NYT contributions, etc. I expect that's driving traffic back to this site. It's strange to see typical sports column comments here, but so far they're still pretty few and far between. I expect we're going to see a lot more of that in the next year, especially once the wider sports audience figures out that the writing style in Walkthrough is like a smarter Bill Simmons.

by the cat in the box is dead (not verified) :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 7:38am

Raiderjoe is actually Joacquin Phoenix in deep cover.

by Kevin from Philly :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 10:52am

No, RaiderJoe is Foster Brooks Jr.

by William Lloyd Garrision III (not verified) :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 10:20am

Wait a minute, are you trying to tell us that "they are who we thought they were" and that Mike Vick is who we thought he was?

I need to ponder this for a moment to see if I understand: Mike Vick is the best running quarterback of all time, but not a good passer, and that the time he spent in prison and away from the game and didn't throw alot or study film all day didn't make him a better passer? How can this be?

Mike Vick is the football equivalent to Derrick Jeter or the Beauty Pageant equivalent to that girl a few years ago that said "I personally believe...something something about maps...". They are all very, very good at a couple of things in ways that definitely successfully overcompensate for their obvious deficiencies. On balance, the total package is "very good". But let's not pretend it's complete.

He's exciting in a Rickey Henderson way, but am I the only one who ever read that Baseball Prospectus article from a few years ago that said when all was said and done, all of that running in 1982 when he stole 130 bases, added up to essentially nothing above average when you factor in all of the times he got caught stealing? That's Mike Vick. All of the running is exciting, but when you add it all up, it's not great. Just good.

Andy Reid has to know this, by the way.

by Josfan :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 2:19pm

Maybe Andy Reid does know it, and he still knows he's better off with this version of the Mike Vick Experience, rather than the Kevin Kolb Learning Tour.

by William Lloyd Garrison III (not verified) :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 2:33pm

That's what I am thinking. I am thinking that Kolb just another in a long line of Houston/Spread Offense college QB's that isn't going to be special in the NFL. He's OK, because you won't have games like he did down the stretch last year--unless you are Billy Voleck or something--and not be at least OK at this.

by Eddo :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 3:18pm

That's an interesting comparison with Rickey Henderson. The stolen bases were an relatively small part of Rickey's value. He was one of the best players ever at getting on base, which is the most important offensive skill to have in baseball.

There have been very few players, in any sport, like Rickey Henderson; he is correctly viewed as an all-time great by even casual fans, yet almost always for the wrong reason (stolen bases instead of overall hitting ability). Can anyone think of a football equivalent?

by tuluse :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 6:25pm

It's harder in football because each position is so specific.

Maybe some d-lineman who got a reasonable number of sacks, but his true value was as a 2-gap plugger?

Actually, a FB who scores a number of touchdowns obscuring the fact he was a great blocker would be the best example. I don't really know my FBs well enough to come up with a specific one.

by Eddo :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 7:25pm

Yes, or a Mike-Vrabel-type LB, who got much more publicity for catching touchdowns than he did for being a good 3-4 OLB. Of course, he's nowhere near the level in football as Henderson was in MLB, but it's a similar type of thing.

by Andrew Potter :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 10:10pm

It sounds to me sort of like Hines Ward being a well-known player because of his blocking/"scrappiness", rather than because he's actually a pretty good wide receiver.

Rodney Harrison too, if he's remembered in future seasons it will likely be because he was the first player ever to record 30 sacks and 30 interceptions. That's not what made him so good at his peak though - it was his tackling and leadership. The stats are just a by-product of that ability.

by onetime91 :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 12:53pm

He's the football equivalent to "Derrick Jeter" huh? I'm not sure who that guy is. Also, "all of the running" isn't what he's doing this year. Take a look at his passer rating.

by Southern Philly :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 1:04pm

He's on pace for 123 rushing attempts.

Which would tie a career high.

by William Lloyd Garrison III (not verified) :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 2:28pm

Thanks. That is what I meant by "all of the running."

This is largely a set of riduculous comments defending "QB Eagles". He's a great runner, but a pretty crappy passer. And since this is not the NCAA, that's a problem.

And he's always been exactly this. He is what we thought he was.

by t.d. :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 2:49pm

High % short passing attacks are not the only forms of effective offense in the NFL

by William Lloyd Garrison III (not verified) :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 2:19pm

He's the shortstop on the New York Yankees.

by t.d. :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 2:40pm

any relation to derek jeter?

by William Lloyd Garrision III (not verified) :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 4:11pm

Depends. With lower case or upper case letters to begin both his first and last name?

Calling out spelling/grammar mistakes is a bit silly, isn't it?

by t.d. :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 5:13pm

I was responding to someone else commenting that he'd never heard of "derrick jeter", not making the correction myself. whatever.

by William Lloyd Garrision III (not verified) :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 7:45pm


by onetime91 :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 4:41pm

DA Baracus - You're including his 3 kneel downs at the end of the Detroit game and the rushes in the 1st half of the Packers game where he entered the game in a wildcat formation. He probably won't crack 80 attempts when it's all said and done.

by Southern Philly :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 7:11pm

Kneel downs counted as rushing attempts in previous years too.

As for the Wildcat runs, take those out and he's on pace for 101, which is one below his lowest total when he started a full season. But of course that's prorating a whole season on 2 and a half games. I'm willing to take the over on 80 rushing attempts by season's end, assuming he stays healthy. When the defenses he faces get better, and by all indications they will by default, he'll probably be scrambling a little more.

Also his sack percentage, so far, is pretty high for him. In all cases of course there's still a lot of football to be played.

by William Lloyd Garrision III (not verified) :: Tue, 09/28/2010 - 7:48pm

I will take the over on that.

I will also take the over on you drinking 80+ cups of the Micheal Vick coolaid before week 4.

If Vick doesn't run 100 times with that speed and open field running aptitude, he's a fool. Why would he play with one arm tied behind his back?

by onetime91 :: Thu, 09/30/2010 - 7:03am

You clearly haven't watched him play. He's not looking to run anymore. He's running when most quarterbacks do, when they see green in front of him. I'll bet you any amount of money he doesn't rush over 80 times without including kneel downs.

by tuluse :: Thu, 09/30/2010 - 7:16am

Yet he already has 19 attempts through 2 and 1/2 games, which put him on pace for 118.