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14 Dec 2006

The Week in Quotes: December 14, 2006

compiled by Alex Carnevale


"You know, that was probably a poor choice of words. So if I offended anybody, I apologize for that ... I don't know ... I guess because how we used that word freely, me growing up using that word, I didn't think anything of it. Like I said, I apologize to anyone I may have offended. I didn't mean to offend anybody but Kellen Winslow. That's pretty much that. I don't want to put any more into it ... Whatever I say is going to be on an extra level anyway. But like I said, I didn't think it was that big of a deal when I said it anyway. So it's over with it."

--Steelers LB Joey Porter, apologizing after calling Kellen Winslow a "fag."

"That's how the game goes. Joey was just expressing his opinion after someone cheap-shotted one of our guys. Joey was just standing up for one of his teammates."

-- Steelers CB Deshea Townsend


"Wisdom? I don't know if it was wisdom; it was clarity. Here's where it's at. Not wisdom."

-- Chiefs head linguist Herman Edwards, on what he told his team before their loss to the Ravens this Sunday.

"It's really a situation where a lot of teams would like to be this time of year. We're not 5-7; we're 7-5."

-- Herman Edwards, before his team's loss on Sunday.


"I told them the team that won the last five games in this stadium has to show up -- all of us mentally and physically. It's mental more than anything else. All football is all about mental. It really is. I believe that. It's just a mental deal. You just mentally at this time of year can't hope that things are going to happen for you. You've got to go do it."

-- Edwards

"You should know that. If I have to tell them that something's wrong. They've got to know that and now they've got to go play like that. That's OK, because that's what you like. That's when you find out about your football team and you find out Sunday."

-- Edwards


"I think we have to understand that we have to have patience, field position game, special teams are important and, we have to play good defense. We have to play good defense, period, because if we don't, to be quite honest, we're not going anywhere. We're going home. That's what's going to happen to us because you have to play good defense at this time of the year. Everyone knows it and the teams that can do that are the teams that continue to win games and are the teams that will get to the post-season. It's not hard to figure out. It's a simple formula. You have to be able to do this. It's not I want to do it or can I do it. You have to do it and if you don't do it you go home. There's no doubt about it."

-- Herman Edwards

"Ray Lewis [and I were] playing 'hide and go seek' with each other. So I knew it was him; I had to fool him and not the whole defense. When we started getting those big yards that's what it was, I was trying to fool him a little bit."

-- Chiefs RB Larry Johnson, on playing against the No. 2 team in the NFL according to DVOA.


"We just need to win a game at the end of the day. Now we've got to win a tough one on the road against a division opponent that's playing very, very well. My whole mindset was to win a game, even last week it was to win a game. We need to get back to winning a game. If we can't win games we're not going to go anywhere. We have to win games and we have to win one on the road now."

-- Herm, after his team's loss to the Ravens.

"There's going to be some three-and-outs on offense. Punting is good. You can't do anything crazy and get out of whack because if you do that they're going to take advantage of it. I mean, they've scored 94 points on turnovers and that tells you right now if they take the ball away from you they're scoring seven points."

-- Herman Edwards


"Most wise guys can't bet Dennis Green against Mike Shanahan in a small point-spread range."

-- Professional sports bettor Dave Malinsky

"I don't want to be in a position of opening the Chargers -7.5 and seeing them get bet up to 10. They (bettors) play San Diego every week. The public really rides them. I think -9.5 is the right number."

-- Mike Seba, senior linesmaker for Las Vegas Sports Consultants. (Covers.com)


"I haven't seen anything like that since I watched NFL Films."

-- Jaguars defensive end Paul Spicer

"I probably could have had 78 or so on two carries. They probably would have pulled me early to save me for next week."

-- Jacksonville DE Bobby McCray

"One week, you look at a team and figure they've got it all. The next week, it all falls apart. When I was in St. Louis (with the 1999 Super Bowl champion Rams), we were rolling, then we went up to Detroit and laid an egg. What's important is how you come back. You learn a lot about your team, who you can go to war with, who's going to rally, who's going to give in."

-- wideout Ricky Proehl (Indianapolis Star)

"He hides behind the offensive line that is 6-4, 6-5 or better, and then when he finally makes contact he is strong enough to break tackles, run over a couple guys. I think he will be able to last as long as any other back in this league, 10 years or more."

-- Jaguars RB Fred Taylor, on his teammate Maurice Jones-Drew

"We wanted to get to 400, but 375 isn't bad."

-- Jaguars RB Maurice Jones-Drew, on the yardage gained against the Colts. (ESPN.com)


"I could tell it was very special for him. He didn't put a lot of added pressure on us this week. He just went on with his business. But I could see in the gleam in his eye at the end of the game. ... I could tell it meant a lot."

-- Saints QB Drew Brees, on his head coach Sean Payton's reaction to the win over former boss Bill Parcells.

"For whatever reason, we weren't ready."

-- Dallas Cowboys nose tackle Jason Ferguson


"Once I got over the pylon, my initial thought process was to bring every guy on the offensive unit over to share that moment. When we're old and can't play this game anymore, them are the moments we are going to remember, that we'll be able to tell our kids, tell our grandchildren. We can talk about something special that we did. We made history today. There's no better feeling than to share it with the group of guys that's in that locker room."

-- LT, after setting the record for touchdowns in an NFL season.

"He came into the huddle and said, 'I want all of you guys to join me in the end zone when I get it.'"

-- Chargers right tackle Shane Olivea

"He is a king and he should be treated like one. That is what a king gets."

-- Chargers left guard Kris Dielman


"I never want to give Vince Young his props or the recognition he deserves, but he made me a believer on that last play. I didn't know if I wanted to throw my helmet or cry."

-- Texans defensive end N.D. Kalu, on Vince Young's waltz into the end zone to give the Titans the overtime win on Sunday. (LA Daily News)

"I felt like it was in slow motion -- the whole thing. It took forever to unfold. Like a bad dream. It is a sick feeling. It is a bitter feeling and you will probably think about this until you see them next year."

-- Texans CB Dunta Robinson

"You don't say it's personal, but this was kind of personal because the team went out and went against everyone and got the defensive player (in the draft). This was our chance to prove to the city that we made the right choice."

-- Texans defensive end N.D. Kalu (ESPN.com)


"You play a young quarterback and it's very simple. If you knock him down, he'll find a way to lose. If you don't knock him down, he'll look like he's on the way to the Pro Bowl."

-- Seattle defensive end Bryce Fisher

"Sometimes the problem with coaches is that we spend all this time thinking about ideas that we want to try. I hear people talking about how they run this system or that system. I believe in letting the kid do his thing. When Vince comes to me with a play he likes, I put it in the game plan. That way he feels like he has some ownership of the process."

-- Titans offensive coordinator Norm Chow, on handling young quarterbacks, and Titans QB Vince Young. (SI.com)

"There are so many things that can occur on a given play. You have to consider all the multiple fronts a quarterback can see and all the multiple pressures. He has to make decisions on all those things. I believe it's easy for us coaches to say that it's not a lot. This one more play won't be too much. But it is a lot, particularly if a guy is just learning."

-- Bills head coach Dick Jauron, on his little guy, J.P. Losman

"We have the ability to gather more information in a quicker manner and that factor alone can handicap players. But that's where it's going. There's just too much information now. On one hand, it's progress. But sometimes you really can regress when you progress."

-- Herman Edwards


"The NFL wants you to pay $140 million to watch football. That's one game we won't play."

-- Time Warner Cable ad, on the dispute between cable companies and the NFL Network.

"I am dismayed and I'm really taken aback that this game is not going to be able to be seen by a large percentage of our fans ... I'm really surprised that it's come to this point with Time Warner."

-- Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, referring to this Saturday evening's Cowboys/Falcons contest.

"This dispute is unprecedented in terms of the profile. And it's not just Time Warner. There are other significant players in the cable industry who are trying to insulate their customers from the price that the NFL is asking."

-- Jon Gary Herrera, Time Warner Cable spokesman.


"This is an interesting case because the NFL is speaking directly to the fans past the cable providers and asking them to force the cable providers to carry the network. We still don't know if it's an approach that will work in the long run."

-- Jennifer Henderson, a Trinity University media studies professor.

"We've heard from just as many customers who want us to hold the line with the NFL as we have customers who want us to carry the network."

-- Herrera, on the conflict. (MySanAntonio.com)


"At this point, I think the NFL Network is being unconscionably greedy."

-- telecommunications "professor" Barry Orton

"The NFL Network has insisted that they want money, even from people who aren't going to watch it."

-- Orton


"It's unbelievable. I've never seen a team shut down the run like our defense is. It's got to be demoralizing (for the opposing offensive linemen)."

-- Vikings guard Jason Whittle, on his team's run prevention during their Sunday victory over the Detroit Lions.

"I've been on top defenses, and everybody keeps it balanced all the time. But I've never been on a defense where (the offense runs) the ball 10 or 12 times and quits."

-- Nose tackle Pat Williams

"We beat ourselves. Every game we've lost, we beat ourselves. The Patriots are the only team that came out and flat out beat us."

-- Pat Williams (TwinCities.com)

"They'll start toward us inside, but then they'll bounce it out. You can see it happen, and you can see it happen fast. Then, they won't even try ... I talk to a lot of guys around the league, and they tell us we're just smashing the run. Coaches don't want to run against us."

-- Williams (San Jose Mercury News)


"I think it has just come together. They have worked hard at it. I know we've moved the guys around a little bit, and now they're working well together. We haven't had many guys missing practice, and we have had them in the same positions and it's working out good."

-- Cardinals head coach Dennis Green

"It's football. I don't have an explanation for you. I have been in the game for a lot of years and it happens at different times and in different phases. We're still a very young football team. We've got a lot of young linemen. Brown is brand-new, and Lutui is straight out of college. Leckey is in his third year -- second year as a starter, and Reggie has played left guard, left tackle, center, right guard and right tackle. I think it's all part of it."

-- Dennis Green, on his team's improvement in notching back to back wins.

"It's hard to say. Earlier in the year we weren't doing our thing as well as we should have. We didn't have offense, defense and special teams all playing well at the same time. Special teams has been considerably better, getting good field position, and the defense has been better, which has enabled our offense to be better."

-- Green (Arizona Republic)


"I don't care when it is if the playoffs are next week. We're not even talking about that right now. We have to fix things. We've been talking about it for weeks now and we still see it happening. You go back to work tomorrow. I'm not going to hang my head. I know we lost this game. I desperately wanted to win this one. All of us did. We've got another one coming up; we've got three more. Let's keep playing. Let's try to win a game. This week, I believe we play the Texans, so let's turn it around at home."

-- Patriots LB Tedy Bruschi, after his team's loss to the Dolphins on Sunday.

"I'm not just focused on Tom out there. Tom's playing and doing the best he can, but so is the offensive line, running backs, tight ends, and receivers. I'm sure the whole offense feels the way Tom feels."

-- Tedy Bruschi

"I don't know why, that was coach's call. Probably to conserve his health; I mean, we were down 21-nothing."

--Pats FB Heath Evans, on why Tom Brady was removed with minutes to go in the game.

"There are a lot of teams that would like to have our record. There might be a few who wouldn't, but most teams would love to be where we are."

-- Patriots head coach Bill Belichick (Patriots.com)


"Carnell Williams is one heck of a back. He is going to be a guy that we feature. We have to do a better job of blocking, we certainly have to do a better job at game planning, and we have to do a much better job adjusting. It is hard to be perfect all the time until your guys are where they are going to be. When a guy stems from this gap to that gap you have to adjust, and again, we have some young guys up there that struggle with that at this point in time. I am sure Chicago will look at our film and give us some of the same treatment."

-- Jon Gruden, Buccaneers head coach (Buccaneers.com)

"Carnell made some great one- and two-yard runs yesterday, I mean great runs, [but] I'm really disappointed in our run game as a whole, very disappointed."

-- Gruden

"The logo on there is huge -- very slick and slippery. If it was my call, which it's obviously not, I would go back to the balls that we used from the time that Pete Rozelle was commissioner... Only the quarterbacks really notice because everyone else wears gloves."

-- Seahawks QB Matt Hasselbeck (Sacramento Bee)

"I want to do broadcast journalism. I always say that if I can get a job using my voice then I can spend the rest of my life not having a real job."

-- Pattriots FS Artrell Hawkins, on his future aspirations (Patriots.com)

"It seems like the ball is messing with us a little bit. It gets to you. But you have to keep hustling, and those plays will come to you. It's almost like basketball. If your shot isn't falling, you keep shooting, keep fighting and it will come ... I don't know when it's going to come. I wish we could call up Miss Cleo, but I don't have her number."

-- Redskins linebacker Marcus Washington, on his team's inability to create turnovers.

"You know, (Pro Bowl voters) look at it that way. I remember in 1996, when me and (linebacker Derrick) Brooks first had our splash season (with Tampa Bay). He had 150-some tackles, I had nine sacks, whatever. I looked up and they took (Arizona defensive tackle) Eric Swann, and he had three sacks. I'm like, 'This ain't the way this is supposed to work, is it?' But you learn that you've got to burst on the scene and then become consistent."

-- Bucs DL Warren Sapp, on his Pro Bowl prospects.

"He was not one to flaunt it. He just did it."

-- Titans owner Bud Adams, on former Chiefs owner Lamar Hunt, who passed away at 9:40 p.m. on Wednesday. (Kansas City Star)

Many thanks to all who send in their favorites. Give me your feedback at quotes [at] footballoutsiders [dot] com.

Posted by: Alex Carnevale on 14 Dec 2006

38 comments, Last at 05 Aug 2007, 12:14pm by T.Johnson


by ToxikFetus (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 2:38pm

I can't wait until Herm gives up on the coaching business and gets into broadcasting. Just the thought of him doing color commentary make my head asplode.

by James, London (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 2:45pm

"I probably could have had 78 or so on two carries. They probably would have pulled me early to save me for next week.�

– Jacksonville DE Bobby McCray

Now that has to hurt.

by DGL (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 2:46pm

“This is an interesting case because the NFL is speaking directly to the fans past the cable providers and asking them to force the cable providers to carry the network. We still don’t know if it’s an approach that will work in the long run.�

Cause, y'know, that whole "I want my MTV" thing never had any real legs.

To say "we still don't know if it's an approach that will work in this case" would be valid, but it's clearly an approach that's worked before.

by Pacifist Viking (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 3:01pm

Normally it's worth making fun of when a player says "we only beat ourselves," but Pat Williams is telling the truth. I'm glad he specifies the Patriot game, because in every other Viking loss the deficit has been 10 or less and awful, awful turnovers and penalties were the reason they lost.

by Marko (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 3:08pm

Does Barry Orton have a neckbeard and drink excessive amounts of Jack Daniel's in public?

by Ron Mexico (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 3:18pm

“The logo on there is huge — very slick and slippery. If it was my call, which it’s obviously not, I would go back to the balls that we used from the time that Pete Rozelle was commissioner… Only the quarterbacks really notice because everyone else wears gloves.�

– Seahawks QB Matt Hasselbeck (Sacramento Bee)

Um... How would Hasselbeck know what the balls were like then?

by Marko (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 3:32pm

Maybe because his father was longtime NFL TE Don Hasselbeck.

by Kavin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 3:40pm

“You should know that. If I have to tell them that something’s wrong. They’ve got to know that and now they’ve got to go play like that. That’s OK, because that’s what you like. That’s when you find out about your football team and you find out Sunday.�

Urr... so basically, a player has to know something is wrong before Herm tells him? I thought he's supposed to be their coach, not their wife.

by KenTaylor (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 3:42pm

It looks like Warren Sapp is still not getting any respect since it is listed that he is with the Bucs not his current team, the Raiders.

by Kalyan (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 3:45pm

can we start a herm edward award for best quote (satire or serious!) in this article?

by JJcruiser (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 3:58pm

“It’s really a situation where a lot of teams would like to be this time of year. We’re not 5-7; we’re 7-5.�

The scary thing about this Herm quote is that both Belichick and Brady made similar "we're 9-4 and that's pretty good" comments. But, not surprisingly, neither said anything like this:

“But sometimes you really can regress when you progress.�

Herm! I love Herm!

Herm is the modern-day football version of Yogi Bera.

by Pat (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 4:04pm

My God. All those NFL Networks quotes from cable execs/"professors" sound like they think the general public doesn't think there are way too many niche networks out there already, and that the NFL Network would be orders of magnitude more popular than some of them.

“The NFL Network has insisted that they want money, even from people who aren’t going to watch it.�

Does this guy actually think the public doesn't understand how cable TV works?

I really doubt he's right.

by Scott de B. (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 4:09pm

The best quotes come from Patriots Planet.com, courtesy of Hawg 73, who rewrite's Belichick's press conferences to show what BB would _really_ like to say.

There isn't one from last week, but here is the one from after the Detroit game:

by Scott de B. (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 4:10pm

(This is what BB actually would have said had he been telling the truth, as interpreted by the patented Belichicoder.)

Bill Belichick addresses the media during his press conference at Gillette Stadium.

BB: I keep telling you people that Mike Martz is actually a pretty smart guy, but nobody wants to hear it. Ask me when the last time a team used their backup quarterback as a wideout like Martz did with McCown today. I was getting pretty worked up over it and was distracted as hell. Then I remembered watching a film on the 1949 Duluth Eskimos where they did the same thing with their backup QB in a game against the Dayton Triangles. Dayton’s coach was so concerned over what they would do with this guy named Dutch Tannenbaum that he pretty much forgot that Duluth hadn’t thrown a pass all year. So, it was kind of like that with me until I recalled that game and we decided to ignore McCown and let Furrey catch as many as he could. We knew that they couldn’t beat us with Furrey, even though he had, I don’t know….11, 12 catches…..something like that. Martz can kiss my ass pulling that crap on us, but he is still a pain to defend against. He almost got us, but whatever. He didn’t, the f$%ker.

Q: It seems like Reche Caldwell is getting more and more involved in the offense. Can you talk about that?

BB: The thing about Caldwell is that he sees the field really well. I think it has something to do with the fact that we opens his eyes so wide. I mean, he has really, really big crazy-looking eyes. Sometimes it looks like he is really scared or going into shock out there, but it’s really just so he can see the ball better. He’s doing OK, but it’s not like we have a lot of alternatives at this point. Still, we took a guy who should be our 3rd option or so and made him into a guy who is catching 8,9 a game, so it goes to show you we’re pretty smart. How many catches does Deion Branch have again? 38? Reche has about 10 more than that and he’s playing for the spare change Branch loses in his couch.

Q: You went no huddle early in the fourth quarter. Was that just to get a spark going?

BB: Spark? I think the term “sheer desperation� would be a better way of describing it. It was like trying to row a garbage scow with soup spoons out there.

Q: When the Lions didn't go for it on fourth-and-one, were you surprised? Usually you see teams that are playoff bound go for the field goal in that situation because it's a higher percentage play, but not a team that is 2-9.

BB: I was totally confused about why they didn’t go for it. I was sure it was going to be a fake field goal, because Hanson threw for a score in a similar situation in his junior year of high school, but…..they kicked it. If they get a TD in that situation we were all done, but there’s a reason why Detroit has only won two with all those weapons and decisions like that are a big part of it. Maybe they really want the top draft pick, you’d have to ask them about it. I thought for a second that Marty Morninweig was still coaching them. Maybe Millen sent the order down to the sidelines. I don’t know. Sheer bleeping stupidity.

Q: What happened to Laurence [Maroney]?

BB: I realized in the first quarter that the way he was running that we would have blown them out, so I sat him down to give Corey a little work and work on a few different things for the end of the season. Unfortunately, I didn’t anticipate the entire offensive line would decide to take the day off, but we got away with it. I think Laurence will be a little pissed off next week, which is something I like to do on occasion. He didn’t get hurt or anything, not that I’d tell you if he did.

Q: Asante Samuel, how big was he today? He has seven interceptions and I think he's leading the NFL.

BB: About 5’ 11� and around 200, but he looks slimmer. He was pretty much the same size after the game as he was going in, but his head might have swelled a little bit. He did some good things and some not-so-good things out there and his contract is up after the season, so I’d appreciate it if you guys would just shut the hell up about all the interceptions. We need to sign him somehow, because we can’t win using Hobbs as a number-one corner based on the way he is playing or if Hank Poteat isn’t available.

Q: On the flipside, your ball security continues to be a little bit of an issue here. How frustrating is that?

BB: Really frustrating. I mean…..I can’t bench everybody that fumbles or I’d have Willie Andrews starting at tailback. Of course, then he’d fumble too so where would we be? Watson is driving me crazy. He is becoming a fumble machine no matter how much you talk to him about it. I give Pass a chance, finally, and he fumbles, but at least somebody actually hit him this time.

Q: Is Vrabel okay?

BB: I’m not sure. You mean Mike Vrabel? Check back with me Wednesday and I’ll have some detailed information for you, no doubt.

Q: How much did that affect the offense, not having Maroney in there?

BB: It is what it is. It was what it was. Whatever will be will be.The future’s not ours to see.

Q: The Lions, how did they get to call timeout that you don't have, stop the clock, get a player on the field and have no penalty?

BB: Just another fine example of the top-notch refereeing we are seeing throughout the league this year. I almost lost my shit out there. If that cost us the game I was going to go all Bill Polian on somebody. Form my own competition committee or something like that……just……whatever.

Q: Was it, 'Oops, we just goofed?'

BB: No, they knew what was going on. The way Jeff Triplette explained it to me when I was yelling at him was that they were under direct orders from Goodell to throw a couple of calls Detroit’s way. I’m not sure what it’s all about, but supposedly there is some crazy Dolphins fan who is sending petitions around the league saying that we are getting all the calls and I guess they’re just getting tired of dealing with the guy. It’s something like that…..but….I don’t know. It’s some kind of internet thing from what he told me….Ebay or something…..the Duluth Eskimos never had to worry about this crap-- I’ll tell you that.

Q They're supposed to ignore it, right?

BB: Exactly. Yes. Yes, but evidently they figured it was a perfect opportunity to “forget� what the timeout situation was and by the time anyone noticed it was too late to do anything about it. Watch what happens when I try it next week. I guarantee you they will suddenly get a clue.

Q: What are your thoughts on the play of your linebackers?

BB: I thought it was pretty good overall, but we’ll probably be starting Tully, Pierre Woods and Corey Mays next week in Miami after this week’s injury report comes out. If we get really desperate for bodies I suppose I could throw Izzo and Don Davis out there just for laughs, but we might wait until we have a bye sewn up before we do anything really crazy like that. We’ll probably sign Jamie Sharper this week, so you never know, we’ll see what he looks like in practice. He can’t be much worse than Izzo or Davis, that’s for sure.

by Random Bengals Fan (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 4:19pm

In fairness to Orton, there's just one food network (that I know of), while I can think of six or seven sports networks. A person not interested in the former only has to pay for the one channel, but a person not interested in the latter has to pay for quite a few channels...I can see why they'd be hesitant to add yet another one.

And, Marvin Lewis' media relation skills aren't anything to write home about--in particular, there's always a good deal of snark between him and beat writer Chick Ludwig. Show some quote love!

by Kyle (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 4:24pm

Oh how refreshing, pleasant, and enjoyable it is to not see a Giant on this list. What a novel concept: shutting up and concentrating on football.

by Boots Day (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 4:39pm

Ah, Jeff Triplette. We got to see Jeff Triplette in action on Monday night, when a Rams receiver caught a ball, hit the ground untouched, then slid out of bounds near the end of the first half -- and the crew kept the clock running. Sheer idiocy.

Why does Triplette still have a job? Every team must know about him already and expect horrific calls in every game he works.

by Pat (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 4:41pm

Actually, the more I think about it, the stupider the NFL Network quotes get. For instance:

“This is an interesting case because the NFL is speaking directly to the fans past the cable providers and asking them to force the cable providers to carry the network. We still don’t know if it’s an approach that will work in the long run.�

I can think of at least half a dozen networks that have done exactly the same thing, and pretty much every one has worked: off the top of my head, Comedy Central, Sci-Fi Network, Cartoon Network, all of them ran ads on broadcast TV networks saying "Don't get X? Ask your cable provider to add it." And that's just (semi-)recently.

by Travis (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 4:51pm

Oh how refreshing, pleasant, and enjoyable it is to not see a Giant on this list. What a novel concept: shutting up and concentrating on football.

Here's a Tom Coughlin quote for you. Keep in mind that the Panthers were missing their top 3 cornerbacks.

"With all the percentage work we do, with all the statistical work we do, we knew that whenever the Panthers have given up a rusher over 100 yards, they have lost. That was the objective coming in."

by Dr. Former Assistant Professor (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 5:11pm


Probably not; tenure generally goes along with a promotion to Associate Professor, and she's only an Assistant Professor. Click my alias for a link.

by throughthelookingglass (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 5:19pm

"I didn’t mean to offend anybody but Kellen Winslow."


by Crushinator (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 5:41pm


The point really is though that plenty of people are having to pay for networks they don't want. The argument of "why should we have to pay for NFL Network as part of our cable package if we won't watch it" is invalidated because there are so many networks as it is that people have to get but don't watch. Why should I have to pay for Oxygen, HSN, Lifetime, or Food Network if I don't want any of them?

Realistically, the most "fair" way would be ala carte programming, but it would run a lot of networks out of business. (My ala carte would probably just be NFL Network, Comedy Central, CN for Adult Swim, Discovery, ESPN, and that's it for cable, instead of having to pay for 50 networks I never watch).

by Pacifist Viking (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 5:46pm

22: Yes...but my understanding is that the NFL Network wants a much higher rate to be included in the package, and charges extra to show the live games. It's not so much the principle ("Why should we pay for what we don't watch?") as the numbers ("Why should we or our customers pay THAT MUCH to watch").

by mawbrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 5:58pm

Regarding the NFLN stuff, there was some discussion recently about congress mandating ala carte network availability. Not sure if it will ever go anywhere, but I do wish cable/dish providers would stop perceiving this as a threat. Offering consumers fewer choices is never going to be a great long-term strategy.

by dryheat (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 5:59pm

#5, No. You're probably thinking of Cowboy Bob Orton.

In all seriousness, the Food Network, Comedy Central, Sci-Fi, etc, probably aren't charging cable companies 140 million ducats to carry them. I'm firmly on Time Warner (and other carriers) side on this one. I realize the NFL is a powerful entity, but to force cable companies to carry their network AND dictate how they can offer it is bullspit.

As a DirecTV subscriber, I'm a disinterested party.

by James (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 6:07pm

Heh, I was all up in arms about the NFL Network hubbub.

Then I found out I already get the "NFL-N".

I, uh, don't seem to care much anymore...


by Tarrant (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 6:18pm

As for a la carte, I don't think it would destroy as many channels as people claim, because if things go a la carte, it's not like you'll be paying 30 cents or whatever a channel.

What is most likely is something like "You can pay $20 a month and pick any 8 channels, or you can pay for our $50 package (i.e. the package everyone has now) and get 100 channels."

The "American Way" is to take the 100 channels for $50, and I'd guess the vast majority of people would do that - my guess is that cable companies know exactly how many cable channels most people watch (let's say it is 12) and will make their a la carte package fewer (like 8) so you have to get the full package in order to get all of them you want.

by Pacifist Viking (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 6:41pm

Are there technical issues to an ala carte system, though? At least through cable? It's one thing to flip a switch and make a particular package come through; it's another thing to provide each home with a unique package. I'm not sure cable, at least, can do that at all, much less efficiently. I don't know about other current or future systems for providing TV in homes.

by Kal (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 7:41pm

Cable can specify fairly easily what channels you are and aren't authorized for, especially with digital cable.

The question mostly is that with ala carte, people would pay for a couple of the channels and put the rest totally out to dry, so they'd disappear. But cable companies can't just sell a product with (for example) 5 more channels; they won't make any money. So they have to bundle. For cable companies, they need to bundle because they make their money on the small groups, not on the loss leaders like ESPN.

And NFL Network has become basically the biggest loss-leader ever.

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by Shawn (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 3:16am

It will be interesting to find out how Joey Porter's apology works. If successful, Mel and Michael Richards should consider it. Mel could explain he's apologizing, but not to the Jews who are actually causing the wars, and Kramer could explain it had slipped his mind because the word was used a lot where he was growing up.

Also, as all self-interested parties, I'd prefer free NFL network, but what possible benefit does Time Warner get from paying $140 million for NFLN if they then turn around and give it away free? Anyone who wants NFL games that badly already switched to DirectTV a couple of years ago. TW's not losing anybody new.

by Matt (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 3:05pm


The problem there, though, is that many people physically can't get direct TV. Many who live in big cities, for example, can't get a clear shot at the satellite to recieve the signal. So for them, there is no choice.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:47pm

RE: 16

That's just because Alex somehow missed Plexiglass calling the Eagles secondary trash and saying they can't stop him. The Giants never shut up. I mean, they have Shockey, Burress, Jacobs, and Tiki, and that's just on offense.

by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:51pm

RE: 22

Exactly. It's maddening to not be able to choose the channels you want. It makes so much more sense. But I guess this way they get to screw the people who just want sports channels (or who just want the other crap) into paying for the entire enchilada.
If I could choose, all I'd want would be ESPN, the NFL Network, and maybe one or two more sports channels.

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by T.Johnson (not verified) :: Sun, 08/05/2007 - 12:14pm

Okay uneducated cable subs...heres your sign. Want to pick and choose your own channels? Want to run this into the ground until its addressed by your government? Heres what the cable companies will do...They will simply change the way they bill you, i.e....

Okay Mr Jones...so you only want ESPN and NFL Network?

We do not charge you by the channel.
You pay one price to be connected to our service, so whether we offer 200 channels or 60 its the same price sir...heh heh heh...so if you dont want Lifetime or Oxygen or whatever...dont tune to that channel...

So...all your bitching just got you a higher price to pay for your service
and everybody elses who dont even care about sports...also most cable companies use manual "traps" to remove certain channels. Traps are expensive and to have one manufactured for every channel in its line up would not be cost effective. Plus if you only wanted like 12 channels out of a possible 100 you would have 88 traps hanging from your connection at the pole or at your pedestal in front of your house. Trust me this is not gonna happen.
Everyone that has cable needs to boycott the NFL until and all of its associations unless they make some sort of arrangements to offer an alternate feed to NFL fans who dont subscribe to or are otherwise unable to have satellite TV.