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01 Sep 2006

The Week in Quotes: September 1, 2006

compiled by Alex Carnevale

Readers of our partner website Baseball Prospectus are no doubt familiar with the longtime regular BP feature "The Week in Quotes." It collects quotes both funny and serious, quotes about both the big stories and the small stories you may have missed. Extending the synergy between the two sites, we're proud to debut The Week in Quotes here on Football Outsiders, compiled by Alex Carnevale -- also one of the guys responsible for TWIQ on BP.com. Of course, the advantage of TWIQ on FO is that it has a discussion thread. Starting next week, TWIQ will appear every Thursday morning, with Every Play Counts moving up a day to Wednesday.


"If these allegations are true, the NFL needs to aggressively investigate this case, find out why these players weren't caught by its drug testing program, and make the necessary changes so that cheaters aren't flaunting the system."
--Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., on allegations that members of the Panthers' 2003 Super Bowl season got steroids from a South Carolina doctor (USA Today)

"Now with creams and patches and gels and lozenges, you're able to deliver low doses in short periods of time. It gives you an opportunity to manipulate the system, to stay below the cutoff levels they use for positive tests. If you combine anabolic steroids, with HGH ... it raises the question: `How much is that going on in elite, professional sports?'"
--Dr. Gary Wadler, who testified before on the Committee on Government Reform's "Zero Tolerance Roundtable Final Meeting" (San Jose Mercury News)

"I think that it is being suggested that it's the panacea, but we think that there are substantial questions."
--Adolpho Birch, NFL counsel for player relations, on the $500,000 that will be spent jointly by the league and union to find an effective test for HGH.

"It seems to me if you are sending a message you are not going to test, what you are really saying is you can, in essence, use (HGH) with impunity."

"Why Major League Baseball and the National Football League have taken such a strong position on [not testing for HGH] is unclear to me. The Dr. Shortt case just underscores that we cannot be so dismissive of the issue of human growth hormone."

"I've heard an estimate that over the last 5-10 years, in excess of $5 million has been invested in HGH detection research. We're talking in the millions of dollars, not the hundreds of thousands. It's an exquisitely complicated subject. To put all your eggs in that basket, and that's what they're doing, doesn't make sense."


"One of the Carolina players was in the program. I will not discuss which one. However, if they were using something that could not be tested for, that is another story."
--Gene Upshaw, executive director of the Players Association.

"Our testing is sufficient and we did not discuss increasing the number of tests in our (CBA) extension. We have been very aggressive in our program and have always done what is best to protect our players' health. Our current program is working and there is no need to increase testing."

"If you cheat in the NFL and use performance-enhancing drugs, you will get caught."


"We're trying to get cuts on film to have other teams defend for it. Other teams see that, they put it in their notes and on their scouting report."
--Rams guard Richie Incognito (St. Louis Post-Dispatch)

"We want to run the ball, so we're going to have to get physical with people."


"I looked into Dwight's eyes before we signed him. I was comfortable with what I learned from different organizations that he has been with, and from [defensive coordinator Mike Tomlin] having spent time with him, and it's shame that this has painted him in that light."
--Vikings head coach Brad Childress, on S Dwight Smith, who was cited for indecent conduct (Minneapolis Star-Tribune)

"I don't know that every team goes through this. But I know that those guys want very desperately to be judged on the football field and not off the football field. People make unfortunate decisions sometimes, and the message is that everyone is accountable in this culture, in this day and age, whether it's me or whoever it is."

"When you change a culture, just because you are here for six months or eight months, that culture does not change immediately."


"You think I am going to insert the guy in with no practice? Are you out of your mind? How would I know he is healthy if he didn't practice?"
--Cowboys head coach Bill Parcells

"If that's one of his rules, then that's something I have to abide by."
--Terrell Owens

"That's so inaccurate. I don't know where that came from."
--Owens, on whether he's testing Coach Parcells.

"I think everybody has overslept, you know, once or twice in their life."
--Owens, on his $9,500 fine for oversleeping.

"From my standpoint, it's all good. Apart from him not being on the field and getting repetitions, has it in any way affected relationships on this team, teammates on this team, relationships between me and Bill, me and the coaching staff, Terrell and Bill, Terrell and the coaching staff? Zero impact there."
--Cowboys owner Jerry Jones

"He's had an exemplary, standard preseason."
--Owens' agent Drew Rosenhaus, on The Best Damn Sports Show Period.

"I've got to move on. I can't let this get me down."


"It might not be the best timing in the world, but we are obviously very happy to have a new baby in the family. Brynn just found out about a month ago and told the team on Monday."
--Stan Cameron, father of 20-year old USC basketball player Brynn Cameron, who is pregnant with the child of Cardinals QB Matt Leinart (Ventura County Star)

''I'm not going to comment.''
--Matt Leinart

''Brynn does not want to get married. She wants to finish school and let Matt do his thing and then figure it out.''
--Stan Cameron

"Once the baby is born, she wants to get back to playing basketball again and finish school. I know Brynn will make a great mom."
--Stan Cameron

"Things will be fine."
--Stan Cameron

"It will be fun."
--Stan Cameron


"Nolan just doesn't know what he's doing. He's a first-time head coach with too much power. He has too much power as a first-time head coach. He walks around with a chip on his shoulder, like he's a dictator, like he's Hitler. People are scared of him. If it ain't Nolan's way, it's the highway.''
--Jets RB Kevan Barlow, acquired from the 49ers for a fourth-round draft pick. (Washington Post)

"I was kind of harsh on him, saying he's a dictator. That's bad. Saddam Hussein is a dictator. I was speaking on emotion.''

"I tried to go back and take some things back from the reporter, but obviously he wanted to write a story. It was too late by then."


"That's sad when you work in a place that you constantly have to watch the walls just because maybe they have the possibility of falling on you."
--Bucs LB Ryan Nece on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' training facility, One Buc Place (Tampa Tribune)

"There are times I'll be standing at the board drawing up plays and you'll hear something run behind you. It's like, 'What was that?' Only you really don't want to know what it is.'"
--Joe Barry, Bucs linebackers coach

"Once I found out he was out there, I was through. I knew what would happen. He would get in my office and find his way up inside my desk. The players made fun of me because I was scared of a little snake. I told them if they weren't scared, to pick it up."
--Tampa Bay receivers coach Richard Mann

"Sometimes in the early morning meetings, they'd appear, so we started naming them. One would come by and we'd look at him and stare at him a little bit and he'd look at us and then run out."
--Bucs LB Shelton Quarles, on the rats of One Buc Place

"It was the worst case of athlete's foot ever. I got medical prescriptions to rub on it and it still didn't cure it. I went home to New Jersey and within a month, it was gone. They call it the One Buc Funk."
--Bucs QB Chris Simms


"When you think about going to the pros, you think everything is going to be so nice. But the first time I drove up here, I said, 'This is it?' I thought maybe it was nicer on the inside. I came in and definitely was a little shocked."
--Ronde Barber

"I didn't have a reference point. I didn't know if the whole league was like that or if we were the only antiquated team in the NFL."

"It's somewhat of a shock to have half the weight room outside. But there are a lot of things you learn to love about the place. If you can win there, you can win anywhere. It's just a place we had to work. It doesn't translate onto the field. Obviously, if that were true, moving to this new place, we better play better."

"I don't know what's going to happen to that building, but when they tear it down, there's going to be some mad rats."
--Doug Williams, former Bucs QB


"You look at Madden and it can help you on the field, as well, making reads, seeing where the quarterback is going to throw the ball. I try to have fun with it, but at the same time, it's a teaching tool."
--Eagles defensive back Michael Lewis. Madden '06 grossed $289 million. (Philadelphia Inquirer)

"When you're on the cover, you know one thing--that you're pretty good. People think they've got to hit you just a little bit harder.''
--Shaun Alexander, on his appearance on the cover of Madden '07 (Bloomberg.com)

"Voltron still hasn't fully formed yet. We still had a solid showing with the first-string defense. I can only imagine what we will be once we get everybody out there."
--Giants LB LaVar Arrington . The Giants' defensive unit garnered the nickname of the popular mech-robot (New York Daily News)

"When they weren't Voltron, they were still pretty good. But when they formed Voltron, then they got serious. Then they were knocking things out."

"I'm just as approachable as anyone. I like a good story or a laugh. The door is open, come on in. I don't have an agenda. I don't have a chip on my shoulder or a big ego."
--Giants head coach Tom Coughlin, that old softie (The New York Times)

"It's always good when you make the front cover of Sports Illustrated."
--Steelers LB Joey Porter (Pittsburgh Tribune)

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Posted by: Alex Carnevale on 01 Sep 2006

56 comments, Last at 06 Sep 2006, 1:45pm by mactbone


by Pat (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 12:51pm

Ooh, here's another quote!

"But I won't stew on it. I was 1-of-3 in the preseason in the year (2003) I didn't miss. I have the ability to turn it on when it counts." - Cowboys kicker Mike Vanderjagt

Good defense, Mike. If it was true. (Vanderjagt has a penchant for screwing up his own statistics. He's previously stated he's better outdoors than indoors, which he isn't. It's probably the booze.) In 2003, Vanderjagt was 0-2 in the preseason - while this might seem worse than he was actually quoting, one of the two was a 50+ yarder. Not chip shots like he's had all preseason this year.

by DrewTS (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 1:04pm

Any word on whether Arrington was referring to the lion Voltron or the car Voltron?

by centrifuge (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 1:24pm

"And I'll form the head!"

by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 1:28pm

Are we sure Arrington isn't talking about the different parts of his body?

by WookieeBH (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 1:30pm

Now I HAVE to see the special teams battle between ROBO-PUNTER and Voltron!

by mactbone (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 1:37pm

Actually, I just looked it up and even though I couldn't find career numbers I added up all of Vanderjagt's season splits and he's exactly 87% outdoors and 87.6% rounded inside. Depending on when he made the statement it might've been true.

I hated the green voltron person. I always thought Pidge was a girl, but no, Pidge is just a high pitched wimp of a guy.

by Andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 2:00pm

On Matt Leinart becoming a daddy. Heard this on 610 AM WIP the other day in Philly.

About 8-10 years ago a girl comes home from college and lets slip to her family that she's been seeing Kerry Collins. She asks what she should do. The answer? Get pregnant!

by Wanker79 (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 2:00pm

They call it the One Buc Funk.


Lion Voltron > Car Voltron

Anyone remember what the "Voltron" in space was called? I forget if it was actually called Voltron of something else.

by Pat (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 2:14pm

Depending on when he made the statement it might’ve been true.

It was made this offseason. It was wrong. It was an Extra Points a while ago. The article where it was quoted even pointed out "well, you're close, Mike."

by Pat (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 2:18pm

Here's the link for that, incidentally.

Oh, and he had to be talking about the lion Voltron. The car Voltron got their asses kicked all the time when they weren't in Voltron form.

by Thok (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 2:27pm

So to torture the metaphor even more, what becomes the Giants equivalent of "Form Blazing Sword!"? After all, you have

Lion Voltran with Blazing Sword>Individual Lions>Lion Voltran without Blazing Sword

(Seriously, I don't know why they didn't just start by forming that sword immediately).

by Travis (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 2:32pm

Here's the Daily News link for Arrington's Voltron comment. Looks like he made it after the Week 2 preseason game against Kansas City.

by David (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 2:36pm

Reading about One Buc Place makes me nostalgic for the Vet. Especially the part about the wall falling down for no reason. Just like old times.

Anyone remember what the “Voltron� in space was called? I forget if it was actually called Voltron of something else.

As far as I know there were just two shows that used the Voltron title - the original series (GoLion) and Car Voltron (DaiRugger XV). You're probably thinking of something else.

by Rick "32_Footsteps" Healey (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 2:47pm

Wait, if the Giants defense is Voltron, which one is Princess Allura? If he played on that side of the ball, I'd say Shockey.

You know, just when I thought it couldn't get better than Arrington's suit of armor in his chess room, he just sets the bar a little higher.

by White Rose Duelist (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 2:59pm

I hated the green voltron person. I always thought Pidge was a girl, but no, Pidge is just a high pitched wimp of a guy.

Actually, in Japan, Pidge was a girl. It was only for the US release she got turned into a guy.

by Alex Carnevale :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 3:06pm

Thanks for filling in that link, Travis. My mistake.

FO has the best commenters out there. I hope I'll be able to keep you guys interested.

by Pat (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 3:12pm

Car Voltron (DaiRugger XV).

Car Voltron was set primarily in space - Lion Voltron wasn't. That's what he was thinking about - and it was just called Voltron in the US.

by Rocco (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 3:29pm

I would think he meant Car Voltron- there were 15 cars, and 5 lions, and since there are 11 defenders...wait, why am I thinking this much about something Arrington said?

by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 4:29pm

I'm going to share some quotes coming from Redskins Park. It should be called, What, me, Worry?

Al Saunders on the Offensive Performance: "You have seen a work in progress. I don’t like the score but there is a process that we are going through. The process is taking a patient look at the players we have and putting them in positions to do what we need to see them do. We are not covering the edges on pass protection because we need to see those guys by themselves out there without help from tight ends and backs."

"I think you see a totally different football team in terms of the strategy and tactics that we utilize than we do in a game. There is a reason for that. There is a process that we know works, a system that we know works and a procedure of developing an offensive football team that we have had success with over a lot of years.�

Who had success with this offensive process? Saunders, you just go here man... they aren't the Chiefs. Williams made similar quotes after the Pats game, not having people in the normal roles, trying new things out.

I'll reserve judgement until after the first couple of weeks

Non-topic rant: No one in this thread... everyone talking about Branch's non-trade to New York or Seattle... I guess that shows how much FO Pats fans dorf all of the other fans.

by Pat (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 4:37pm

We are not covering the edges on pass protection because we need to see those guys by themselves out there without help from tight ends and backs.

1) Of course, a bad performance in that case means that you're slightly hamstrung - in order to protect the quarterback, you have to have the TEs/RBs blocking.

2) Man, he's lucky he didn't get any of the QBs killed. However, that means that the Portis injury might've come directly from this. Brunell threw the interception because he was under pressure.

Maybe it might've been a good idea to practice the "no help from TE/RB" thing in practice.

Non-topic rant: No one in this thread

People are talking about Voltron in this thread. I think there's a reason they're over there. :)

by DrewTS (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 4:52pm

Re 11

I spent way too much time thinking about the Blazing Sword question. My employer thanks you.

The Blazing Sword was basically Voltron's way of saying "OK, we're done f---ing around", and the ro-beast's destruction was coming in about 10 seconds. The Blazing Sword could be any play that crushes any chance of their opponent winning -- not something like a kneel-down, but a huge play where you say "that's it, it's over." However, unlike with Voltron, you wouldn't know it was coming until after it happened. It could be a sack-and-fumble during the opponents 2-minute drill, an interception return TD, a concussion to the opposing QB... who knows?

I'm a Colts fan, so I'll be living in fear of the Blazing Sword play next weekend.

by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 5:04pm

I'm just more surprised no one is talking about the HGH/Steroids stuff... now if Barry Bonds' best friends uncle's brother had HGH found in his car... we would never hear the end of it.

But yeah... I'm sick of hearing excuses about why the 'Skins sucked... "they ran a vanilla offense", "they used 2% of the playbook", "they played people out of position"... etc. etc. That doesn't explain the POOR EXECUTION of things such as... blocking, pass coverage, tackling.

I'd much rather take what I saw the other NFC teams do... which included a lot more execution...

by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 5:09pm

... and there goes another 15 posts onto the Branch thread...

The Pat's won't get a first for him.... their offense could fall apart.

by Pat (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 5:26pm

While I'm not giving the NFL a free pass regarding the HGH stuff, I've read plenty of stuff which says that urine tests for HGH aren't tremendously reliable. I can understand the unions not allowing blood tests. That is too extreme.

by CaffeineMan (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 5:33pm

I'm a Pats fan and I'm here. I've been avoiding the Deion thread because I figure it's fraught with over-reaction on all sides. Has it degenerated into a labor politics argument yet?

And since I'm out of touch: when did Voltron air? Is it still on now?

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 5:46pm

I wonder if Arrington can dance better than Voltron. I'd hate to see his reaction if he totally got served. Man, I love Robot Chicken.

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 5:51pm

I don't know for sure when it originally aired, but I do remember it from my early school years (early to mid 80's). First there was the awesome Lions Voltron, where they battled the forces of Planet Doom to defend the universe. Then there was the pretty lame vehicle Voltron, which was a space-based Earth-defense force, fighting some enemy I can't remember because the show sucked. They also made a feature-length cartoon where the two enemies unite, and of course the two Voltrons unite to defeat them.

Several years ago, possibly around 2000, they made an updated "Voltron 3D" series. It was just as bad as Beast Wars Transformers and other lame attempts to resurrect classic cartoons with fancy new graphics.

by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 5:52pm

I don't think a blood test is extreme. If you go to college, blood test. If you get a yearly physical, blood test. If you get married, blood test (some states).

If government/schools can compel blood tests, why not the freakin' NFL?

by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 5:55pm

The Lions Voltron must've been in the golden age of cartoons, Voltron, GI Joe, He-man, Rainbow Bright... and more...

Kids today... yech...

Incidently... my parents bought me the lame vehicle Voltron toys for Christmas... at least they delievered with the original GI Joe headquarters

by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 5:55pm

The Lions Voltron must've been in the golden age of cartoons, Voltron, GI Joe, He-man, Rainbow Bright... and more...

Kids today... yech...

Incidently... my parents bought me the lame vehicle Voltron toys for Christmas... at least they delievered with the original GI Joe headquarters

by Fnor (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 6:01pm

Those quotes combined in Voltron-like fashion for a very amusing article. Way better than the other sites' 5-quote ad-doused... things.

by Fnor (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 6:01pm

Those quotes combined in Voltron-like fashion for a very amusing article. Way better than the other sites' 5-quote ad-doused... things.

by Travis (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 7:20pm

I don’t think a blood test is extreme. If you go to college, blood test. If you get a yearly physical, blood test. If you get married, blood test (some states).

Which college requires a blood test? Every college I know of requires proof of vaccination, but not a blood test.

FWIW, most states have repealed their blood test requirements. Somewhere between 7 and 11 still have it.

by RIch Conley (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 7:41pm


My bro was a NCAA division 1 athlete (wrestling), and was definitely subjected to frequent urine and blood tests.

by Aaron Boden (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 7:55pm


you bet it has, CaffieneMan. Any time one person posts the phrase "mmmmmmm, slavery" about a football contract issue, you know you are in a labor politics argument.

by Travis (not verified) :: Fri, 09/01/2006 - 8:19pm

Re: 34

The NCAA regularly tests urine during competition, but not blood. Individual colleges usually reserve the right to test athlete's blood, but only do so under rare circumstances.

NCAA Drug Testing Program (warning: PDF).

by Tighthead (not verified) :: Sat, 09/02/2006 - 12:57am

Leinart - gambled and lost with the frivolous senior year, gambled and lost with the frivolous encounter with the co-ed. Not very good at protecting himself.

by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 09/02/2006 - 2:35am

Leinart is clearly years ahead of his age cohort in the whole "pro athlete-paternity suit thing." Sure, some other guys are ahead at the police blotter type stuff, but after a few years of clean living, that's all ancient history. A kid is forever, relatively speaking. That's some serious committment to livin' large like the pros do he's made for himself.

Man, Shawn Kemp and Randy Johnson, are you guys taking notes? You pathetic amateurs. How many other guys have knocked up 20 year olds before their first pro game? I bet Namath never did. I bet even Wilt Chamberlain may not hav--aw heck, that's just silly of me. To hit 20,000, he probably started when he was 8.

At this rate (say one offspring per year, like a Condor), Leinart will have more kids than wins until he's been in the league three seasons.

That was a great Kerry Collins joke above.

by thoughthelookingglass (not verified) :: Sat, 09/02/2006 - 2:56am

He'll fit right in with the Cardinals Offensive Line :)

by The Ninjalectual (not verified) :: Sat, 09/02/2006 - 5:48am

I used to have cool Voltron toys. I had to return the original metal ones because they were painted with lead-based paint. The toy company replaced them with lame shiny plastic ones.

by VarlosZ (not verified) :: Sat, 09/02/2006 - 8:31am

I had heard about Leinart becoming a father-to-be, but I didn't know the mother was a USC basketball player. Was anyone else's first thought when they heard that: "A basketball player? I though Leinart was supposed to get only the hottest women around. How good looking can she be?"

Answer: Pretty damn good looking (link below).

by MJK (not verified) :: Sat, 09/02/2006 - 2:19pm

Click my name to remember the old golden days of cartoons, including Voltron. It's one of my favorite ways to waste time...

by emcee fleshy (not verified) :: Sat, 09/02/2006 - 5:21pm

I must have been in a cave, but I had no idea that Drew Rosenhaus was still TO's agent.

Wow. Somewhere, Matt Millen, Don Rumsfeld and Michael Chertoff are teaching Drew Rosenhaus the secret handshake for the inexplicably-still-employed club.

by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sat, 09/02/2006 - 6:42pm

My favorite cartoon in the voltron type cartoon was Robotech. I read the book series, too. Good times.

by Travis (not verified) :: Sun, 09/03/2006 - 11:38am

This article confirms it - Arrington was talking about Lion Voltron, not Car Voltron.

"I grew up on Voltron," Arrington said. "Voltron, they were tough as single cats but when they formed Voltron, man, they were serious, they were knocking things out."

Those cats Arrington remembers were actually five young pilots who commanded five robot lions. When they combined together, they formed Voltron, one great robot warrior, in charge of protecting the planet Arus from the evil King Zarkon, known today by Giants fans as evil King Parcells.

No further plotlines are necessary; you get the idea. "Voltron man, Voltron," Arrington insisted. "Once we get everybody out there, once we get all the cats running, we form up, that one big, menacing machine, we're going to be all right. We're slowly putting it together."

by White Rose Duelist (not verified) :: Sun, 09/03/2006 - 3:24pm

Apparently the Giants' defense's 2006 season highlight video is coming out next month:


by Alex (not verified) :: Sun, 09/03/2006 - 4:03pm

I wonder how many female athletes get knocked up each year. I would be pissed off if I was the USC coach.

by Andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 09/03/2006 - 4:05pm


Answer: Pretty damn good looking (link below).

I like it that she is a junior allegedly "undecided" on her major. What a farce! She's figured out her major - getting impregnated by a multi-millionaire!

by Patrick Bateman (not verified) :: Sun, 09/03/2006 - 7:22pm

Andrew, that's really sexist and uncalled for. I don't envy either of them the position they're in right now...

(Though I do envy Leinart the position he had to be in to get into -this- position)

by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 09/03/2006 - 8:31pm

There have been quite a few iterations of Voltron. See my name. Also, Pidge was a 12 year old boy.

by Daniel (not verified) :: Sun, 09/03/2006 - 10:05pm

Thanks for the link. I knew there was a third Voltron made up of three humanoid robots, but I couldn't remember if they ever aired a cartoon. It was a pretty cool toy, better than the cars, but not quite as cool as the lions. I'm not sure the Redskins defense qualifies as the lion Voltron just yet. Maybe a go-bot, or Tranzor-Z.

When Santonio Holmes was arrested earlier this year for a domestic dispute it was reported that the woman involved was the mother of one of his three baby children. So Leinert has a ways to go before he can claim the Shawn Kemp Father of the Year Award.

by Rick "32_Footsteps" Healey (not verified) :: Mon, 09/04/2006 - 1:23am

Travis -

I know that some states actually mandate certain blood tests when you go to college. In order to go to college in Massachusetts, I had to either get a booster on about 10 different immunizations or get a blood test to prove that I had them recently enough to enter. And I didn't compete in anything more rigorous than bridge.

One thing I have to wonder, though - why is a blood test that much more extreme than a urine test? Is this something I don't get because I'm not at all squeamish about needles or drawing blood?

by Travis (not verified) :: Mon, 09/04/2006 - 2:45am

I know that some states actually mandate certain blood tests when you go to college.

Unless I'm wrong, the blood test is only required if the prospective student doesn't want to submit proofs of vaccination/immunity to specific diseases (in New York, mumps, measles, and rubella). I know of no state that mandates the blood test itself.

One thing I have to wonder, though - why is a blood test that much more extreme than a urine test? Is this something I don’t get because I’m not at all squeamish about needles or drawing blood?

A urine test might violate one's sense of privacy/decency, but a blood test is physically invasive.

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Mon, 09/04/2006 - 3:17pm

I think one difference is that urine is going to be coming out anyway, but they have to go into you to get the blood. I could see that making a huge legal difference, like "plain sight" requirements for warrantless evidence collection (note - obviously not a lawyer).

by Stevie (not verified) :: Wed, 09/06/2006 - 2:42am

That was hilarious Bobman

by mactbone (not verified) :: Wed, 09/06/2006 - 1:45pm

The difference between blood and urine is also about the level of information that each provide. That was a big deal with Eddy Curry of the NBA last year. The argument was that by taking a blood sample they could not only detect whether he had a disease or predilection or whatever for his heart problems but that they could also look to see what other genes he possesses. So they could find out the likelihood of him having other genetic problems. He ended up getting traded to New York which has a law that makes it illegal for an employer to demand whatever test the Bulls wanted. I want to say it bans blood tests period but it may just ban a specific test that they would have to use to discover what was wrong with Curry.