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23 Aug 2007

The Week in Quotes: August 23, 2007

compiled by Ben Riley


"80; 1,193; 7."

-- Buccaneers wide receiver Michael Clayton, recalling his halcyon season of 2005

"How does your mind go from 80 [catches] and seven touchdowns, how does your mind say 'I'm going to be scratching and clawing to make the team?'"

-- Clayton

"I'm definitely making this team."

-- Clayton

"I'm going to take it back. I won't even say I'm definitely going to make this team. I don't know if I will."

-- Clayton, reconsidering

"It's the hardest ball to catch. The wide open ones by yourself, you know you just can't drop those, you just know."

-- Clayton, perhaps honing in on the reason why he doesn't know if he'll be making the team

"I had well over 100 attempts my rookie year. I have no idea about last year. But it was nowhere near 100. Look it up. It's a stat."

-- Clayton (We looked it up. He was targeted 65 times last year.)

"I'll drop a ball in one-on-ones, one ball, and in the paper it's 'He's dropped four balls. Michael Clayton has slipped back.'"

-- Clayton

"I think I had one of my best seasons last year ... I had a hell of a season last year if you take away three drops."

-- Clayton

"I'm a man."

-- Clayton (The Tampa Tribune)


"He's here, but I haven't seen him."

-- Kansas City Chiefs spokesman Pete Moris, when asked where Priest Holmes was during the Chiefs-Dolphins preseason game

"He's here somewhere."

-- Kansas City Chiefs spokesman Bob Moore, when asked the same question during the game

"He was here. I think he might've been up (in a suite) because he didn't want to do any interviews."

-- Herm Edwards, responding the same question after the game ended (Kansas City Star)

"He went home for the preseason game Thursday. I talked to him during the day. I didn't anticipate him going home."

-- Edwards, a few days later

"I thought he was going to the game."

-- Edwards

"He went home to see his family. I told him the next day, `All you have to do is tell me so I know where you're at.'"

-- Edwards

"Priest Holmes has not been a distraction."

-- Edwards

"For him to do what he's trying to do, I applaud the guy. Now we've got to see if it's going to work out. But he has to make this team. He doesn't make this team because he's Priest Holmes."

-- Edwards (ESPN.com)


"You can wear jewelry, but you don't have to have the whole 'Mr. T' starter set on there."

-- Herm Edwards, advising his players on the Chiefs' policy regarding traveling with jewelry

"I don't have the 'Mr. T' starter set. I'm not big on bling."

-- Chiefs quarterback Brodie Croyle (from the HBO "Hard Knocks" documentary)

"There's a difference between those guys. There's no doubt."

-- Herm on the difference between Croyle and Damon Huard

"If you're one of those guys who turns the ball over every game, that's not good."

-- Herm

"When they turn it over, you can't let them score."

-- Herm

"I don't care who your quarterback is. Every once in a while, you're going to turn the ball over. That happens in football. When it does, can you put the fire out? It's a little brush fire now. Keep it a brush fire. Don't let the thing turn into an inferno."

-- Herm (and we're still not done folks)

"You stop them and you hold them to three and you take your medicine, but you don't give them seven points."

-- Herm

"You can survive two of those and it's only six points. You're still OK. But it's catastrophic if you turn it over and they score seven and then turn it over again and allow them to score again. That's how you get into trouble."

-- Herm (Kansas City Star)


"Some coaches will tell you it's just right and some would say it's too much and some would say we want to go back to six."

-- NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, pretending that there is at least one coach in the league who actually wants six preseason games

"I find the preseason exciting."

-- Goodell

"There's a concern about pricing in any case. We obviously want to be careful not to overprice our fans and make sure we're responsive to our fans.''

-- Goodell (MLive.com)


"I think his milk is going bad."

-- Anonymous Giants veteran, alluding to Plaxico Burress possibly "milking" his ankle injury to avoid training camp

"It's fine. But when I get back on the football field, when I get back out there and back to being No. 17 and making plays, everybody's going to shut up and get in line."

-- Burress, when informed about the milking allegation

"You think I'm not out there because I don't want to? That would be crazy to think that. Everybody's entitled to their opinion. If they think that, then good for them. But when it comes time to strap it up on Sunday, I'll be one of the best players on the field."

-- Burress

"I thought I was having one of my best camps until I got hurt."

-- Burress (New Jersey Star-Ledger)


Note: The following is taken from a November 2006 interview between "SportsHollywood" -- whatever that is -- and aspiring actress Tracy Phillips. Given the rumors about her father Wade Phillips' lax training camp regimen, the interview remains relevant today.

"I wouldn't call him a disciplinarian at all!"

-- Tracy Phillips, when asked if her dad was a disciplinarian as a father, and if so, if it helped her in becoming a dancer and actress. In a related story, Tracy Phillips is looking for work in commercials.

"Oh God ... since I like to work, I'll say the NFL wide receiver."

-- Phillips, when asked who had "faster hands," an NFL wide receiver or a Hollywood casting agent. For the record, Phillips also denied being hit on by John Elway or Doug Flutie. (Clink on the link to Sports Hollywood to judge Tracy Phillips' hotness for yourself.)


" Not really. It's hard to explain. He's really not a bad kid. But you know some people just have to have certain things. I think he's one of those; he has to have certain things."

-- Bill Parcells, denying that his retirement from the Cowboys was the result of, well, you know who

"He's a pleasant enough kid. He's not mean-spirited; he's not vulgar. He's really OK in that respect."

-- Parcells

"He didn't have anything to do with me (retiring) at the end of the day."

-- Parcells

"All the GM does is deal with problems: salary cap, injuries, player replacement and holdouts. That's all life is."

-- Parcells, perhaps lacking perspective (Albany Times Union)


"If he has to carry 500 times for us to win a lot of games, he'll carry 500 times."

-- 49ers head coach Mike Nolan, describing his plans to run Frank Gore into the ground this year (Santa Rosa Press Democrat )


"Holy smokes, you don't always just get to run with the ball. You have to block people and do stuff like that. They were bad."

-- Seahawks head coach Mike Holmgren, describing his frustration with the Seahawks' offensive line after their loss to the Green Bay Packers (Tacoma News Tribune)

"Seneca [Wallace, the second-string quarterback], I think he's a brave guy, and a very tough guy, because he got hit like no one should get hit in that game, and he bounced right back up. Goodness gracious, the walls collapsed on him a couple times."

-- Holmgren (ESPN.com)


"He's healthy. Why the hell would he go on IR?"

-- Buccaneers head coach Jon Gruden, when asked if Chris Simms would be placed on injured reserve

"I don't understand why he's practicing."

-- Gruden, one sentence later

"I'm not trying to mislead anyone although I have to be honest at times and say we've cleared him to practice."

-- Gruden, yet another sentence later ( St. Petersburg Times)


"The worst day of my year was always that last day of my summer. I would sit on the dock at my house on Whitefish Lake with my legs dangling in the water before I would fly back on the plane to training camp."

-- Drew Bledsoe, describing his enthusiasm for the football season

"The best day of my year was always the day after the season when we landed in Whitefish and I could feel myself exhale."

-- Bledsoe (from the inaugural issue of "The Whitefish Review" and as quoted in the Patriots Daily)


"Man, did I do a nice job of acting ... I had to fool the coaches and the team's medical department into thinking the injury had occurred on that play. Otherwise, the Steelers would have had their reason to cut me and my salary."

-- Detroit native Jerome Bettis, describing how he faked an injury to avoid being cut (from Bettis' new book and as quoted in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette)


"It's one of those deals; I'm not going to lose any sleep (over) what Tiki has to say. I guess I could have questioned his leadership skills last year with calling out the coach and having articles about him retiring in the middle of the season and (how) he's lost the heart. As a quarterback, you're reading your running back has lost the heart to play the game and it's about the 10th week. Well, I could see that a little bit at times. But I'm not going to get concerned and I'm going to go out there and play ball."

-- A furious Eli Manning, unleashing on his former running back ( New Jersey Star-Ledger)

"I think it was the weather, the surface, people in his face. The approach the Patriots took defensively, which was a unique approach."

-- Titans head coach Jeff Fisher, making excuses for explaining Vince Young's performance in the Titans-Patriots preseason game (ESPN.com)

"There have been so many times over the years that I've taken needles over my wife's objections, my family's objections, even my agent and my doctors. If another situation like that would present itself, I would really have to think twice about risking further serious damage and/or permanent injury."

-- Disgruntled Jets guard Pete Kendall (NY Daily News)

"He's not going to make or break us. If you don't make or break us, you're irrelevant to us. We're a unit. We're a unit that runs together. I see my eight. My eight's been here since I first walked in the door and I said, 'There's my eight.' ... And he never came into that picture until I walked into the job this morning. I don't see him cracking that eight."

-- Warren Sapp, welcoming his new teammate Gerard Warren to the Oakland Raiders (Vallejo Times Herald)

"I put him through workouts that would make a billy goat puke."

-- San Diego State track and field coach Rahn Sheffield, describing his work to help Vikings linebacker and special teamer Heath Farwell make it to the NFL ( St. Paul Pioneer Press)

"'Thanks for ruining my season last year?'"

-- Matt Hasselbeck, when asked if he had anything to say to Vikings' linebacker E.J. Henderson regarding Henderson's "contact" with Hasselbeck's knee during the Hawks-Vikings game in October 2006, which led to Hasselbeck missing four games (The Sporting News)

"Leonard Little killed someone [while drunk driving]. Jamal Lewis went to prison [in connection with] selling drugs. Are you telling me that killing eight dogs is worse than killing a human being?"

-- Former Packers GM Ron Wolf, putting it all in context (Yahoo! Sports)

Send your quotes to ben-at-footballoutsiders.com. And remember: Never show weakness; the only pain that matters is the pain you inflict.

Posted by: Ben Riley on 23 Aug 2007

61 comments, Last at 30 Aug 2007, 8:20pm by mshray


by Joe T. (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 3:54pm

Where can I buy a Mr. T Starter Set (TM)?

by MilkmanDanimal (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 4:02pm

Michael Clayton . . . to think I almost bought one of his jerseys after his rookie year.
Then again, they're probably really cheap right now.

by the K (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 4:06pm

Gruden is trying really ahrd to be the new Herm.

And yes, Wade Phillips' daughter is smoking hot.

by Karl Cuba (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 4:12pm

I really wouldn't have thought that I would have found ANY relative of Wade Philips attractive.

by asg (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 4:15pm

Tracy Phillips = 9.

by Independent George (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 4:17pm

I think I've been concussed - Herm made perfect sense to me this week.

by throughthelookingglass (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 4:24pm

If he has to carry 500 times for us to win a lot of games, he’ll carry 500 times.

That sentence has to make any 49ers fan scared. Although, in the story, Nolan seems to realize that more carries=shorter career.

by masocc (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 4:30pm

Re #1 & Mr. T. Starter Set: Linked to my name!

Re Tracy Phillips: "Kind of Hot"?!?! Was your wife looking over your shoulder while you wrote that?

by Ben Riley :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 4:40pm


Girlfriend, and no she wasn't. I'm not sold on Tracy -- Hollywood head shots can be very misleading -- and plus, she she looks a little like her dad.

Awesome find on the Mr. T Starter Set, by the way.

by White Rose Duelist (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 4:44pm

Mt. T pities the foo' who doesn't buy his starter set!

Mr. T would throw Herm hella far, then run a play where Larry Johnson doesn't get the ball.

by Tom (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 4:47pm

Those quotes by Holmgren are awesome. Goodness gracious.

by masocc (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 4:58pm

Re #9:
She's the dead ballerina in the My Chemical Romance video (linked in your SH link).

Even DEAD she's hot!

by James, London (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 4:58pm

"Mr T Starter Kit"

Herm's in mid-season form already.

by masocc (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 5:12pm

Not so interesting Mr T sidenote:
My restaurant features a "Mr. T" burger. "We Pity the Foo' that Doesn't Try This Burger!"

Burger from the ground up:
6" Bun
Pickles, Onion, Lettuce, Tomato
1/2 lb Pepper Butter Infused Ground Beef Patty
1/2 lb Pepper Butter Infused Ground Beef Patty
6" Bun
Special Sauce
French Fries (yes, ON the burger)
1/2 lb Pepper Butter Infused Ground Beef Patty
1/4 lb Chicken Schnitzel (chicken breast, pounded flat, breaded and fried)
1/4 lb Bacon
6" Bun

Oh, and there's 4 slices of Cheddar and 4 slices of Swiss cheese placed in there at various spots as 'glue' to keep it all together. It's over 3 lbs altogether. Stands almost one foot tall, before you have to 'lean' on it to make it a 'manageable' size.

There's a waiver. About 10% of the people that have tried to eat it have experienced horribly painful cramps in the muscle under their jaw when they try to get their mouth around it.

We also pity the foo' that has to digest this monstrosity.

by Sophandros (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 5:30pm

She looks like she's got the physical tools that we're looking for in that position.

We'll need to bring her in for a private workout, just to be certain. Plus, we'll have to evaluate her on the field performance a little bit further.

by MilkmanDanimal (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 5:33pm

I pity the family of da foo' who has to pay all the funeral expenses after the inevitably massive Mr. T burger coronary.

Things like that . . . Priest Holmes needs to recognize that the Chiefs "just want to be friends" at this point.

by B (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 5:46pm

She's hot from the neck down, at least. I'm not sold on her face, though. Also, her granddad is the winningest coach in Oilers history. Not exactly setting the bar too high, are they?

by DolFan 316 (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 5:55pm

Mr. T starter set=brilliant. I knew Herm wouldn't let me down.

BTW most of those pics of Tracy Phillips are old. Like, almost ten years old. I know this because I remember seeing them back in the day. Makes me wonder why she doesn't update the ol' resume more often.

I do like that she apparently specializes in burlesque dancing though :)

by Harris (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 5:59pm

Tracy Phillips is so hot, I want to scream at random women, "Why aren't you that hot?"

by David (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 6:02pm

Best part of the Tracy Philips interview, hands down is this caption:
"He produces high-powered offenses and vicious defenses that drive opposing fans crazy..."
He does what? I remember specifically one game when he was head coach in Denver where he had 2 quarterbacks ALTERNATING PLAYS! This was a regular season game. Yeah, sure, he drives OPPOSING fans crazy. Good luck with him, Cowboy Fan.

by Felden (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 6:42pm

Re: #7.

Yeah., Nolan also basically said that while he will run Gore as much as the team needs this year, he'd love to run him less rather than more to get a couple extra years out of him.

by DangerGnat (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 7:29pm

I just had a heart attack while reading #14.

by Marko (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 7:58pm


That quote from Dan Quayle is one of my all-time favorites.


There's nothing wrong with consistency per se. However, a foolish consistency is another matter. That is what "is the hobgoblin of little minds." Exhibit A in support of that proposition is Matt Millen.

by Richie (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 8:10pm

It looks like Tracy Phillips develops php sites in her spare time (click my name).

Hers is the first IMDB page I've ever looked at that is missing a DOB.

by Pat (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 8:29pm

Tracy Phillips: not hot. Way too angular and my God, that hair is not normal. (She's especially bad in those photos where she's trying to look enticing. Geh.)

by Drew_BurgerMan_Bledsoe (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 8:38pm

Herm Rules! TWIQ should be renamed "The Herm Zone"

by Hemlock (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 9:00pm

I'm gonna do something unthinkable to you sheep and say that your jokes about Herm Edwards say worse things for your sense of humor than they do for Herm's coaching. I'll be the first to admit that he's an awful strategist and shouldn't be a head coach, but he got where he is today by being able to relate to players and getting them motivated for every game. He gets full effort out of them, which is an asset many excellent head coaches would kill for. Just because you guys wear lab coats when you watch games doesn't mean everybody has to speak in terms of adjusted value over average. Good coaches keep it simple for their players: don't turn it over. If you turn it over, don't let that lead to points.

by Bronco Jeff (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 10:00pm

Warren Sapp, way to make Gerard Warren feel the love! Of course, he was a Bronco...maybe there still does exist some animosity between those two teams despite the Broncos' dominance of late.

by kevinNYC (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 10:06pm

I like Eli (based on the things I hear at Giants home games... I'd say more than most), but when during Tiki Barber's 1662 yard season was his calling out the coach and retirement talk affecting anyone? If those are the numbers a guy puts up with no heart, would he have reached 2200 yards with heart? While Tiki could've handled his comments in a classier way, no one can ignore that Coughlin would be unemployed if not for him and Eli would be mentioned amongst the Akili Smiths of the world if not for those 2 playoff appearances... gained mostly on the back of Tiki Barber.

I would tell Eli, "Just shut up and play better."

by Boesy (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 10:11pm

Hemlock, your point is well made. Herm gets a hard time, I think, because his hype does not match his performance. [And he talks...a lot]

by coldbikemessenger (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 10:13pm

"I remember specifically one game when he was head coach in Denver where he had 2 quarterbacks ALTERNATING PLAYS! This was a regular season game. Yeah, sure, he drives OPPOSING fans crazy. Good luck with him, Cowboy Fan."

Which also happened in 1971 with Staubach and Morton.
Staubach played in 13 games, Morton in 10.
Also that was the year Duane Thomas apparently played in silence, not much of a distraction there....
and they still won the Super Bowl!

by MilkmanDanimal (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 10:19pm


Motivating players is an important skill and nobody would suggest otherwise. That being said, coaches who have all sorts of important skills become head coaches. Those who have some important skills become assistant coaches. Herman Edwards' ability to motivate does not overcompensate for some of his other problems, like clock management, general strategy, and realizing that you shouldn't run Larry Johnson 40 times a game when there are nine guys in the box trying to stop him. "Not a good head coach" "incapable of doing anything in coaching".

by Paul (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 10:31pm

"If I have to run the ball 500 times to win a bunch of ballgames, I'm getting January off" - Frank Gore, or basically any NFL RB

by Penrose 10,000 (not verified) :: Thu, 08/23/2007 - 11:07pm

Herm Edwards: Keepin' it simple since 1988

by Dired (not verified) :: Fri, 08/24/2007 - 1:07am

Am I the only one who found Eli's "response" to be basically something someone else told him to say? I don't think he's a bad guy, but he just seems like someone who has had a role thrust upon him, and while he seems fine with it in general, transcending it just isn't part of the deal. His response sounds like "you'd better say something" so he did and just hopes it'll go away. Sort of a shame he wound up in NYC, where just doing a day's work and clocking in and out will never be good enough.

OTOH, for 1st pick money (and hype, expectation and scrutiny), expecting to just be a generic team member is a fundamental failing on his part. Blame his brother's example if you want, but he followed the trail of bread crumbs.

by Fnor (not verified) :: Fri, 08/24/2007 - 1:53am

#10: Holy god, I almost died laughing.

#14: Fries on the burger is the best! Especially if the fries are good enough to maintain their consistency under the ketchup and cheese.

... now I'm hungry.

by Insancipitory (not verified) :: Fri, 08/24/2007 - 8:04am

Re 22, I'll see your heartattack, and raise you an erection. That burger is now number 3 on my list of ways I want to die.

by Theo, Holland (not verified) :: Fri, 08/24/2007 - 10:59am

The only name worse than Tracy is Tracy-Ann.

by MCS (not verified) :: Fri, 08/24/2007 - 11:19am

Best Mr. T? I pity the fool that don't eat my cereal.

Oh, and, by the way, your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

by MCS (not verified) :: Fri, 08/24/2007 - 11:21am

I was waaaay late on the Mr. T quote.

by Independent George (not verified) :: Fri, 08/24/2007 - 12:00pm

#38 - what about Candi. Dotted with a heart. Or a star.

by Theo, Holland (not verified) :: Fri, 08/24/2007 - 12:14pm

It would indeed be very, very unethical to name your girl after a '70s sex magazine.

by karl (not verified) :: Fri, 08/24/2007 - 12:41pm

The end-all on Tracy Phillips:

On the binary scale she is definitely a 1.

On the 1-10 scale? I'd giver her a 7... 7.5 maybe.

by Joe Morgan (not verified) :: Fri, 08/24/2007 - 1:35pm

I don't see what the big deal is; Herm makes perfect sense to me.

by Watchdog (not verified) :: Fri, 08/24/2007 - 2:42pm


Imo, there's a difference between simplifying potentially complex ideas, and stating the blatantly obvious. An NFL player who has presumably played at the high school and college levels needs a coach to simplify "turnovers are bad"?

Then again, some guy got a lot of press making a movie about how shocked, shocked he was to put on weight after eating nothing but McDonalds for 30 days straight, so maybe the obvious isn't that obvious these days.

by Andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 08/24/2007 - 2:57pm

In defense of Herm, despite his flaws, making the playoffs in 4 of 6 years coaching in the NFL is pretty impressive, given that you can only average overall 1 of every 3 years. Gruden is only 4 of 9, Billick 4 of 8, Coughlin 6 of 11, Mariucci 4 of 9, Fisher 4 of 13, yet those guys don't seem to get the abuse Herm gets.

by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Fri, 08/24/2007 - 3:30pm

Herm is 50-52 as a coach.


NYJ2000: 9-7 5.3
Record DVOA
NYJ2001: 10-6 9.8%
NYJ2002: 9-7 12.9
NYJ2003: 6-10 -5.6
NYJ2004: 10-6 26.4
NYJ2005: 4-12 -20%

Pre Herm:
KCC2005: 10-6 27.5
KCC2006: 9-7 4

Other than the wierd 2004 season with the Jets, Herm pretty much drove that team into the ground. It looks like hes doing the same with the Chiefs

by Peter Libero (not verified) :: Fri, 08/24/2007 - 3:45pm

45: I don't think he pretended to be shocked he gained weight; that was the point. I think he was shocked he almost died from his liver shutting down.

by David (not verified) :: Fri, 08/24/2007 - 3:56pm

31: I wasn't aware of that piece of information. I didn't know that changing QB's on alternating plays had ever worked in the NFL, so it just seemed like a good shorthand description of Phillips' futility in Denver. Thanks for the new information. I have nothing against the guy personally, I've just been pretty underwhelmed with him as a head coach. Excellent D-coordinator, though.

by jebmak (not verified) :: Sat, 08/25/2007 - 8:51am

45 & 48

Perhaps he wouldn't have gained so much weight if he hadn't forced himself to eat until he vomited. If you continue to eat nearly anything until you vomit you will gain weight.

Also, not hot at all.

by JoshuaPerry (not verified) :: Sat, 08/25/2007 - 4:19pm

The Mr. T starter set quote was on Hard Knocks, that's not a good find, that's avoiding preseason football by any means necessary.

by JoshuaPerry (not verified) :: Sat, 08/25/2007 - 4:34pm

47. Hemlock, and Herm doubters. Obviously you didn't pay attention to the Jets, ever.

2003 10 games with Pennington, 9 starting, broken wrist preseason,
2005 3 games with Pennington, the rest was Brooks Bollinger, and nearly any other scrub

Which is why they ALSO drafted a QB in the 2nd round for 2006

Mangenius was just lucky Mr Glass,was uninjured. Even Tony Kornheiser was aware of this fact. Much to the chagrin of Joe Theesman.

2 playoff wins makes him the best coach in Jets history.

by Mentos Fillapeedios (not verified) :: Sat, 08/25/2007 - 5:40pm

"2 playoff wins makes him the best coach in Jets history."

Weeb Ewbank also won two playoff games as Jets head coach and he's in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Walt Michaels also had two playoff wins as Jets head coach.

by JoshuaPerry (not verified) :: Sat, 08/25/2007 - 5:41pm

Yes, and?

by Mentos Fillapeedios (not verified) :: Sat, 08/25/2007 - 6:24pm

So, you really think Edwards is the best coach in Jets history?

by Mentos Fillapeedios (not verified) :: Sat, 08/25/2007 - 6:26pm

Re: 20, 31, 49

Saturday, December 12, 1992
Denver 17 at Buffalo 27

Shawn Moore and Tommy Maddox alternated at the QB position for Denver.

by prunemike (not verified) :: Sat, 08/25/2007 - 10:09pm

As a Pats fan I cried the day Herm left the JETS.

by Bobman (not verified) :: Mon, 08/27/2007 - 5:25am

#1 Not hot. I'll bet $100 that she's 30 lbs heavier now than the day those pics were taken. (you have to look forward, guys) If they are indeed 5+ years old, make it 40.

#2 Walt Michaels has 2 playoff wins for NYJ? Wasn't he the one always caught by the cameras with a finger up his nose on the sideline, or was that Joe "Joe Must Go!" Walton...? Either way, that guy took the "I live for the green" thing way too seriously.

#3 In my 20s and maybe my 30s, that Mr. T burger would have been an exciting challenge. Maybe if I ever go back to 8 workouts a week I can say that again. But I've come to like my heart just the way it is--beating. If I tried it today I'd get halfway through the burger and my wife would kill me on principal.

#4 Insancipitory (37) What are the other two ways? Let me guess: shot by a jealous husband when you're 99 and.... crushed by a mountain of Lombardi trophies when you visit your team's HQ? Or maybe taking a bullet as part of your job in Herm Edwards' Secret Service detail when he's running the country?

#5 I second the name The Herm Zone for TWIQ.

by Mentos Fillapeedios (not verified) :: Mon, 08/27/2007 - 9:18pm

Yes, Michaels had two playoff wins. He beat the Bengals the year after they won the AFC title and he beat the L.A. Raiders the year before they won the Super Bowl.

Walton was the nose picker.

by JJcruiser (not verified) :: Tue, 08/28/2007 - 12:21pm


The Chiefs were going down no matter who took over. Their impressive offensive line is aging (or totally gone), they lack WR playmakers, Priest Holmes at his prime backed up by LJ was just sick (and not happening again), and their defense was never that great in recent times. Now they've lost an old Trent Green (good call) and are replacing him with a career backup or a rookie that isn't panning out (bad call). None of that is Herm's fault. That team's problem is its GM.

That said, I too was very sorry to see him leave the AFC East. I could always count on Herm to do at least 2-3 really stupid things per game when the Jets played the Patriots, and now I can't count on that anymore.

by mshray (not verified) :: Thu, 08/30/2007 - 8:20pm

Commissioner Goodell sez "We obviously want to be careful not to overprice our fans."

Really? And what price are you putting on your fans? More importanly, who's buying them, and are they complaining about the expense?