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10 Jan 2008

The Week in Quotes: January 10, 2008

compiled by Ben Riley


"I want to just say right now that we want the ball and we're going to score. Is that OK? I said it, I mean it, thank you."

-- Seahawks quarterback Matt Hasselbeck's first comment during his postgame press conference this past Saturday after the Seahawks beat the Redskins, 35-14. The Seahawks will play the Packers again this Saturday, four years after the infamous overtime Seahawks-Packers playoff game where, after Seattle won the coin toss in overtime, Hasselbeck famously declared "We want the ball and we're going to score!" Hasselbeck then threw an interception to Packers cornerback Al Harris that was returned for a touchdown. (Tacoma News-Tribune)

"I really think it's out of the mind of everybody -- Matt [and] here in our building. We're not thinking about it."

-- Al Harris

"It was a big moment in my life, in my career, but I wouldn't define my career by that play."

-- Harris

"It was called 'Thriller Blitz.' [Then-Packers defensive coordinator] Ed [Donatell] called it, [and] it was a 'population' blitz, which means that we're sending more than they can block."

-- Veteran Packers defensive end Aaron Kampman

"And sure enough Al just sat right there, the pressure came, [Hasselbeck] had to throw the ball and it went right to him."

-- Kampman (Wisconsin State Journal)

"Ahman [Green] was one of them out for the coin flip and he comes over on the sidelines and I didn't even hear what was going on. I'm thinking 'Overtime, oh boy.' Ahman comes over to me and he says, 'Did you hear what Matt just said?' I'm thinking, 'Heads, tails?'"

-- Packers Brett Favre, describing his reaction to Hasselbeck's prediction

"I think he makes that team go and I like his confidence that he brings to the game, I really do, and I thought it was pretty funny myself. I was thinking, 'Boy, we better stop him.'"

-- Favre

"People can call it what they want, but I thought it was pretty neat. I wouldn't do it, but I'm not saying that negatively."

-- Favre

"I'm sure he felt like they would get the ball and they were going to score."

-- Favre (Tacoma News-Tribune)


"They were throwing stuff at us: chicken wings, cans. It was terrible."

-- Redskins fan Dino Russo, describing his experience at Seattle's Qwest field last Saturday

"I expected the crowd to be docile, and this was the opposite. Philly is supposed to be the worst, but this doesn't compare."

-- Fellow Redskins supporter Bruce May

"I went to Philly and New York this year, and this is worse."

-- Ted Abela, yet another traumatized Redskins fan

"He was right up in my face, and I'm only 16!"

-- Ashleigh Miller, 16, describing the behavior of another "boorish" Seahawks supporter

"I've never seen people so classless."

-- Redskins supporter Raza Ali

"You gotta hold your own and let them know what time it is."

-- Seahawks supporter Kyl Uecker, 24, who was described by the Washington Post as "a beer-swilling Seattle resident plastered in blue and black face paint"

"I just want to get out of here alive."

-- Redskins fan Genna Henry, frightened for his life (Washington Post)


"Why am I going to get mad over something like that? Jesus came and saved the whole world and he still got persecuted."

-- Patriots cornerback Ellis Hobbs, reacting to the "persecution" he's endured from critics in the media, including ESPN Radio's Mike Felger

"What is me talking to guys like your Felger, your whatever, going to do? It's not going to change their opinions or thoughts or whatever. They're just looking for criticism. It's almost like rappers. They're looking for their beef, their controversies. The more I emphasize him, the better he gets."

-- Hobbs

"Obviously I'm still getting paid. He's still getting paid minimum."

-- Hobbs

"Obviously, when people talk about the defense, and weak links, how weak can you be with a defense like ours, being ranked statistically in a lot of categories in the upper echelon?"

-- Hobbs

"What you guys say, and what everyone else says, I take it to the wind, because first off, can any of you do my job? And second of all, probably, the guys who are talking are the ones who didn't get picked when they were little. So I don't worry about that stuff. I don't tell you how to do yours, so you shouldn't tell me how to do mine."

-- Hobbs (Boston Herald)


"Everybody talks about us not running the football and when we ran it 25 times or more we won, and that's just a little bit hard for him to do."

-- Lions wide receiver Roy Williams, describing former offensive coordinator Mike Martz's white-whale-like relationship with running the football.

"I don't know if [the Lions offense] gave up on him, because he has that reputation and his offense can put up points at any moment, even though we didn't."

-- Williams

"He just has that go about himself that he can make this miraculous play call that's going to work and we're going to put up 21 points in the quarter, which, it didn't happen."

-- Williams

"We had a lot of problems offensively."

-- Williams (Detroit Free-Press)


"Probably the rain."

-- Chargers head coach Norv Turner, explaining why his eyes were noticeably red during the press conference after the Chargers defeated the Titans on Sunday

"He was brought here in an odd situation. It was: Either get us back to the playoffs and win a game, or you're a failure."

-- LaDainian Tomlinson, describing the pressure on his head coach

"Norv was given the raw end of the stick."

-- Tomlinson (CBSSportsline.com)


"When you're at UCLA, you have to have your passion bucket full when you play USC."

-- New UCLA Bruins head coach Rick Neuheisel, on Dan Patrick's morning radio show (DanPatrick.com)


"When you look at our season, it started off with our inability to score points."

-- Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards, explaining why his team finished 4-12

"Our inability to run the ball put a big burden on our offense especially at the quarterback position."

-- Herm

"We didn't take [the ball] away enough."

-- Herm

"Special team-wise we weren't very good in punt returns and kickoff returns -- kickoff returns especially."

-- Herm

"When you're not a very productive offense you're not going to be able to score a lot of points. That puts you in the punting category."

-- Herm

"All those things are factors when you don't have a successful season."

-- Herm

"The trigger man is the key. No doubt."

-- Herm (describing "the quarterback position")

"I'm not going to deviate from my philosophy too much either because that's what I believe in."

-- Herm (KCChiefs.com)

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Posted by: Ben Riley on 10 Jan 2008

55 comments, Last at 02 Feb 2008, 1:52am by webmaster


by Graham (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:08pm

Herm pretty much hit the nail on the head here. At least he knows why they sucked. Hopefully he'll do something about it.

by B (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:14pm

So they couldn't run or pass the ball. Plus they were bad on defense and special teams. Other than that, the Chiefs are doing pretty good.

by Karl Cuba (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:17pm

Is anyone else feeling kind of ill at the thought of UCLA's "passion buckets"?

by thecool (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:28pm

is it shocking or something that seattle has crazy fans? i'm sure for redskins fans it is because, A: most people who live in dc won't go all the way to seattle to watch a game. B: rarely have the redskins and seahawks been good enough at the same time to meet in the playoffs. Now that was the second time in three years that those two meet in qwest field, and surprisingly this is three straight years an nfc east team has played in seattle in the playoffs. the way the nfc is shaped where the nfc east has been sucking up the wildcard berths and the seahawks own the nfc west, expect something like this happen again. Hopefully the next nfc east group of fans will be better prepared for the heckling.

by Athelas (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:29pm

Are passion buckets like drool buckets?

by elhondo (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:42pm

The only thing shocking about Redskins fans not realizing that there may be hostility toward them, is the lack of self-awareness displayed.

Redskins fans are jerks at their own stadium. Go to a Redskins game in anything that says Dallas on it.

Dallas is the opposite. Going there as a skins fan, I had a great time - crowd was downright friendly even after I said that I was a skins fan. The beer was a good $2 cheaper as well.

I'll never pay for a ticket to Redskins stadium, that's for sure.

by Marko (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:54pm

"Norv was given the raw end of the stick.”

Is that the same as getting a short deal? Or is it the opposite? Or does this simply make no sense?

"When you’re not a very productive offense you’re not going to be able to score a lot of points. That puts you in the punting category.”

Well, the punting category isn't as bad as the turnover category.

by Craig (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 1:03pm

For some reason, I'm guessing that Genna is female, so she'd be "frightened for [her] life."

by Fergasun (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 1:04pm

The passion bucket is awesome... while you're filling it up don't forget your moxie and swagger... but the passion bucket is aboveall important.

by patsfandan (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 1:14pm

re:#7 - is getting the raw end better or worse than the burnt end? how about if it's well-done?

by MJK (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 1:27pm

Re7: I was going to be the first to comment on the mixed metaphor regarding Norv, but, sadly for me, that train has sailed.


So Seattle fans are classless? The only Seattlers I know of are Mariners fans, and while "insufferable" could describe them, they're not classless. Maybe they're the opposite of Bostonians? Red Sox fans practically are synonomous with obnoxious, but Patriots fans (notwithstanding criticisms of them here) are actually pretty nice people. Weirdly, they're often the same people...


I never understood the criticisms of Ellis Hobbs. He is a little cocky, which probably draws it down on him, but his main deficiency as a player seems to be that he's "not as good as Asante Samuel". He definitely at least average, and actually a fair bit better than average. He's probably about as good as Gay and far less injury prone. He's better than Hank Poteat or healthy Ty Poole used to be (of course, it's hard to judge someone based on just three games...), and lightyears better than Duane Starks [shudder]. He gets toasted sometimes (partly because QB's target him a lot to avoid throwing at Samuel), but he also sometimes makes some amazing pass defenses, which makes up for the fact that he's a bit short. He gets called for PI a bit, but generally only when playing against the Colts or the Broncos and defending passes legally. :-)

All that said, I expect him to have a rough game against the Jags. He's quicker and more agile than he is big and tall, and as such he may have difficulty against the Jags WR's, who all seem to be about 6'11 or so...

by Joe T. (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 1:29pm

I need to go rummaging around in the garage to see if I can find my passion bucket. I think last time I saw it it was sitting next to my tolerance box.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 1:35pm

I obviously have no direct knowledge, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least is fans are pretty crappy everywhere, at least some of the time. I've got friends in the Twin Cities who won't go to Vikings games anymore, because they don't want to expose their kids to drunks screaming profanities for three and a half hours. I went to a lot of Vikings games as a kid, and do not recall that sort of behavior being prevalent, although there were certainly a lot of drunks; I witnessed the Zebra who made the non-call on Drew Pearson's hail mary playoff catch getting plunked on the head with an empty Canadian Club pint bottle.

by Dean (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 1:57pm

The frustrating part is that if this article had been written about Philadelphia fans, or Raiders fans, or possibly even Browns fans - rather than Seahawks fans - it would have made the national news and the talking heads at the so-called-worldwide-leader would have all piled on that it was somehow "one more black mark" against the town.

The real takeaway from this article, though, is that redskins fans are a bunch of wusses.

by vanya (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 1:59pm

is it shocking or something that seattle has crazy fans?

Yes, but maybe Seattle has changed. When I was there in the early 90s it was easily the friendliest most laid back city in America. You expect places like Philly, NYC and Boston to have rude fans, but not Seattle.

by Karl Cuba (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 2:00pm

11: MJK, I can certainly understand the criticism of Hobbs, I mean this is what he had to say on the pass interference rules,

"That Law is no Law to him. It is therefore neccessary, to consider in this place, what arguments. and signes be sufficient for the knowledge of what is the Law"

followed by

"Do not that to another, which thou thinkest unreasonable to be done by another to thy selfe"

Which was as succinct a description of the NFL rules I've ever heard. Then he started banging on about his Leviathan, which I've heard isn't all that big anyway.

by Paul (London,UK) (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 2:25pm

I have no knowledge of whether Ellis Hobbs is a jerk or not but his comments about some of the people in the sports media seem entirely reasonable and accurate.

by Rodafowa (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 2:39pm

“Why am I going to get mad over something like that? Jesus came and saved the whole world and he still got persecuted.”

That's thoroughly excellent. Mmmmmm, sacreligious...

Also, and duly aware of the risk of going the full-King, what a class act Brett Favre is.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 2:43pm

Does Hobbs say that competing against the Patriots in the playoffs is likely to be an enterprise which is nasty, brutish, and short?

by Insancipitory (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 2:46pm

Seattle is complicated. It's generally pretty friendly. But you need to know where you are, and who is around you. Keep in mind where Ken Hamlin was nearly beaten to death with a street sign was right in the area of the stadium outside the bars and clubs that are packed before and after games. One of the guys who beat him? Oh, he was shot to death in a park just a short walk away.

The friendly people are friendly. But the people who will kill you outside of a nightclub with whatever is handy will kill you. And as someone who's lived in and around Seattle all my life I can say with some assurance it's always been this way.

The best advise I have for visiting fans, if you've just got to run your mouth at someone you don't know, and of questionable sobriety, being funny is probably a good idea.

by Karl Cuba (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 3:29pm

19: Yeah, he's always saying that sort of thing. He also said,

"When happenstance dictates that the receiver is moving down the field with great haste and libertie, a man can throw his arms to towards the heavens, run into the reciver and fall over without fear of penaltie under the natural law"

by Tundrapat (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 4:08pm


I'm still collecting my breath after that one! Nice!

by Tundrapat (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 4:09pm

#11, #16 - should have said #16. Happens when you're trying to type through tears.

But, like Norv, it's because of the rain.

by Xian (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 4:12pm

Re: #8

The only Genna I've ever met was a man from Eastern Europe. YMMV, of course.


Love the last Favre quote. Heh.

by Tundrapat (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 4:18pm

So...since Aaron, Doug et al. are weary of the incessant broadcaster need to play 'grunge' music when going to commercial break for every NFL game played in Seattle ('Audibles'), it begs the question; what music was chosen before grunge?

Maybe it wasn't much of an issue since Seattle games (in the old AFC West) were less worthy of national attention, and therefore less prone to broadcast.

by TomC (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 4:30pm

On the subject of treatment of visiting team fans:

Small-number statistics, I know, but the one time I took a visiting-team fan with me to Soldier Field, everything was just hunky-dory. My visiting friend wore his 'Skins jersey (yes, it was, coincidentally a Bears/'Skins game) and cheered loudly when the 'Skins made a play, and no one threw anything at him or even gave much of a dirty look. He was almost killed when the 350-lb drunk behind us fell on him, but I'm pretty sure that was random, not malicious.

by NewsToTom (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 4:30pm

Re #16
Well played, sir, well played.

ON being a visiting fan
I wore my VY jersey to both Cincinnati and Indianapolis this year, sitting in the nosebleed seats both times. Nothing thrown at me, no obscenities. Some ribbing, of course, but nothing more than what you'd expect, vicious, or personal. As a fan of non-local teams, I've been an "enemy" fan a lot and aside from half-empty hockey stadiums, NFL venues have been the most pleasant.

by Rhys (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 4:36pm

11 "Red Sox fans practically are synonomous with obnoxious, but Patriots fans (notwithstanding criticisms of them here) are actually pretty nice people. Weirdly, they’re often the same people…"

Not exactly. College students coming to Boston almost unanimously adopt the Red Sox, especially BU students (This is with the exception of New Yorkers): this causes a lot of annoying drunken bandwagonish fans. Very few of this group adopt the Patriots, for whatever reason. The stupidly annoying Red Sox/NWE Fans you're seeing are all mostly bandwagon fans/college students.

However, annoyance at this crass group makes people much less forgiving of something a lot of Patriot fans do just because they're from Boston: constant arguing about how good their team is. What usually happens is something like:

Drunk BC Student: PATRIOTS ROX YEAH! ALL other Teamsz are l00sers!1!
Jaguars fan: You loser, the Jaguars have a chance to win because of X, Y, and Z.
Patriots fan #2: Ah, but X can be countered with W, I'm not convinced of Y, and Z isn't really all that important. (These are not necessarily correct statements)
Jaguars fan: I make arguments to the contrary.
Drunk BC Student: ROAR! Jaguars are l00sers!
Drunk New Yorker: Patriots are Cheatriots and hate them all and also prefer them in my cereal bowl to Cheerios!
Patriots fan #2: That is not a coherent argument, Drunk New Yorker. Grrr.

Even normal Pats fans are extremely susceptible to baiting, and that just makes things snowball when somebody (of any team) opens up a can of Fox in a thread.

by RoyFlip (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 4:53pm

Apparently these Redskins fans have never been in the pre-game parking lot at FedEx. There is a troll with a bullhorn who gets in visitors' faces and chases them around. I suspect he is still mad that he got cut from JV soccer in high school. He appears to be in his mid-late 20's. His parents must be very proud.
What I don't get is what is missing in these people's lives that they think it fun to scream obscenities at young girls and challenge outnumbered strangers to fight over a professional football team whose only relationship to them is that they live in their market area.
Yes, I do understand being a fan and I know it is irrational. But jeez, there are limits.

by hubcap (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 5:19pm

If I were producing Seattle-Washingtom we would have cut to commercial over a slow pan of the O-line, viewed from behind as they crouched before the snap. Local Seattle theme song? "Baby Got Back."

by Hank (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 6:44pm

if the home team is beaten down or not very good, that is going to impact how the fans treat visitors. Also, alcohol plays a large part. And the more popular teams have a great many fans that will come to away games.
On a side note, I feel this is what happens with the steelers. They are one of the more popular nationwide teams (a combination of successful in the 70s growing up and successful now) and so have a lot of local fans. I don't think there are 10,000 fans caravaning in great waves across the nation every sunday, but rather local fans excited for the chance to see a game once every few years.

by Packer Pete (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 7:25pm

Al Harris' overtime pick of Matt Hasselbeck to win the playoff game a few years ago was actually set up by film study. This was shown on one of the Packer TV shows. The Packers noticed that when the defense showed blitz on third and short, Hasselbeck would audible to a quick out to the left. The Packer TV show ran a clip of Hasselbeck completing this pass in a prior game. The show then ran a clip of the Packer game where the Packers showed blitz, Hasselbeck stood up to audible, took the snap and fired out left without hardly looking. Only this time, Harris jumped the route and took it to the house. The film clips were amazingly similar.

Gonna be a great game this weekend!

by DrewHawk (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 8:08pm

RE: Seahawk fans
I am one of the Hawk fans as was actually in the tailgate lot that is described in the source article of the quotes. I would say that Seahawks fans (myself included) are incredibly hostile to opposing fans. This is for two reasons:
1) As a team we feel disrespected, always, and make up for it by being the largest meanest fans we possibly can, intimidation of the opposing fans and players is something we do to show everyone that we deserve respect.

2)People in Seattle are generally pretty nice, this means that many fans have built up anger and nastiness. Seahawk games give them an outlet for this anger and they use it.

by Harris (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 8:23pm

I take three things from this:

1) Seahawks fans are much nastier than I would have guessed
2) Eagles fans clearly need to step up our game and
2) Redskins fans are soft as cottage cheese.

by stravinsky (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 8:30pm

What odds is Neuheisel giving on whether he beats USC next year?

by MJK (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 8:40pm

So this disucssion of fans makes this a good time to ask:

Should I wear my Patriots jersey to the Coliseum next year when the Raiders host the Patriots? Or is that a form of suicide?

Should I go to see the Niners host the Patriots instead?

by Karl Cuba (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 8:58pm

33: Opposition players are fair game but intimidation of fans, who are just members of the public who happen to support a different team is disgraceful behaviour that smacks of hooliganism. To paraphrase Thomas Hobbes, who I parodied earler, treat other people as you would like them to treat you.

by Insancipitory (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 10:03pm

In my experience Raiders fans talk. They give and they take. I've always had a lot of fun with them. 49ers fans seem to have always been among the league's most humorless and insufferable. Now I might not wear stuff into the Raider's cheap seats or blackhole, but should one do that they're probably aiming to be a part of that spectical as opposed to just enjoy their team anyway. I certainly wouldn't wear anything collectable. Just in case, I'd bring wetnaps or purell and a small towel. Patriots gear might be especially unwelcome after the tuck rule and all too. Anyway, you'll have more fun if you're prepared, so it's something to think about.

by Jimmy in Oz (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 10:31pm

1. 33. Are you sub-human? Honestly, you're retarded, right?

"As a team we feel disrespected" - You're not part of the team, you're a fan.

"make up for it by being the largest meanest fans" - Seems like everyone has universal respect for the noise in Quest when the other team has the ball.

"we deserve respect" - for bullying people? For drinking beer in a car park? Please explain, i'm at a loss... Wait, i get it, you deserve respect for being as much of a jerk fan as other jerk fans of other teams!

You're so cool!

p.s. On the grunge music on the TV breaks, when i was picking a team to support the grunge music scene was the reason i started supporting Seattle. Although its a cliche, is it that bad that you'd rather Matchbox20, Coldplay, Snow Patrol, Nickelback etc?

by Jimmy (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 11:21pm


You clearly have troubling emotional problems, you should seek help.

If you are already getting help, get more, and a stronger prescription.

After that why don't you try leaving the perfectly innocent people who have paid good money for a ticket and have done you no harm alone. They paid to see a football game, not to have your (and your dismally moronic friends) pathetic sense of inadequacy taken out on them.

by DolFan 316 (not verified) :: Thu, 01/10/2008 - 11:52pm

Unfortunately #33's opinion on how to treat other people is the same opinion of the vast majority of Americans these days, in all situations. And it's only going to get worse because this behavior is officially endorsed and celebrated.

You couldn't pay me enough money to go to an NFL game these days, in any city.

by The Flying V (not verified) :: Fri, 01/11/2008 - 12:44am

#37, and a bunch of others

I don't really like using the Hobbs look at it, what if the person who treats visiting fans like that would completely expect the same treatment if they did the same? I don't think it's that much of a stretch to think at least one of those Seahawks fans 'torturing' a Redskins fan would completely expect the same treatment if the tables were turned.

I mean, yeah, it does have that kind of low-mentality, drunken anger to it, but we're watching a sport where men hit other men hard enough to cause long-term damage and occasional paralysis...

I've only been to one live NFL game, and I found it rather boring, a much better game on TV, and could only see going to a game live for the celebrating/camaraderie of it. Unfortunately, that happens to be drunken jackassary too much of the time.

I'm just saying, I may not necessarily support it, but from what I gathered (and I hate to speak for the poster), the disrespect thing #33 referenced was the lesser part of the statement, and the more relevant part was that the behavior was something most of those fans only kept on Sundays (granted, it's still stupid, and that other post from the other Seattle resident may oppose that...)

by grr (not verified) :: Fri, 01/11/2008 - 3:20am

my brother a big charger fan and I went to the seahawks/chargers game last year with our brothers in law and sisters. all diehard seahawks fans. sitting in the end zone, my brother was blitzing everyone and it was like going to a Huskie game. real quiet till the Seahawks took the lead. then the sniping began. my brother had to go to the restroom conveniently and everyone started to pile on. noting to everyone Rivers could only hit receivers in the middle part of the field (he had an awful day) I called the winning TD. got real quiet then. the point of this monologue was even thought there was a great deal of give and take. never felt threatened. of course my brother and I run 550 pounds combined. those skin fans probably were a bit lighter in the saddle.

by doubleipa (not verified) :: Fri, 01/11/2008 - 5:04am


That might be a little extreme.

I've only been to one NFL game, Chargers/Packers in San Diego a few years back. I''m a Packers fan--there were lots of Packers fans there--and no Chargers fans acted like jerks.

It was a good time.

by mush (not verified) :: Fri, 01/11/2008 - 11:24am

Every city has a bad element, somewhere, and that's true in the arenas as well. The only collection of fans that seemed "worse" than any other in my travels is Philadelphia (I'm basing that on my personal experiences, not the rep).

I've also been pleasantly surprised by my tension-free trips to New York, but maybe I've been very lucky.

by mush (not verified) :: Fri, 01/11/2008 - 11:24am

And how do you expect the Seattle fans to act after Jamie Moyer has whipped them into a frenzy?

by Insancipitory (not verified) :: Fri, 01/11/2008 - 12:06pm

I'll explain Moyer for you. He basically plays for the Phillies and commutes to Seattle where his family lives and where they run their foundation. Link in the name. Basically, the guy is a prince, and that's why he got to raise the flag.

by Diane (not verified) :: Fri, 01/11/2008 - 12:37pm

There *was* that movie .... you know .... "The Passion of the Bucket"

by Herm? (not verified) :: Fri, 01/11/2008 - 1:06pm

For my 2 cents, I have to tell you about the Eagles at Patriots game I went to. The Eagles fans were very nice, and the Patriots fans did not provoke or attack them. Neither in the parking lot at tailgate, nor in the nosebleed seats where I was.
That's when I knew the world had instantly ended sometime in August, I never felt a thing, and the team I root for is 16-0.
The rest of you should've gone to church.

by jbrown (not verified) :: Fri, 01/11/2008 - 1:42pm

Re: visiting fans

This year when the Titans came to Houston I wore my Texans jersey and got to feel the twilight zone/bizarro visiting fan experience. I seriously worried that I might be crushed by men with giant VY man crushes. If you ever want to see a weird twist on the home/visitig fan dynamic go to one of those games. You have Texans only fans, Titans fans, Oilers fans, VY fans (Sunday is their day of worship after all...) and worst of all... there are still way too many David "Mr Mittens" Carr jerseys

by mush (not verified) :: Fri, 01/11/2008 - 2:13pm

47: Oh, I knew the Moyer connection. It was just funny to see him acting like Ozzie Osbourne for 90 seconds.

by Dana (not verified) :: Fri, 01/11/2008 - 2:42pm

I went to all of the Redskins home games for the first time this year, and there was certainly a difference among fans from different cities. Philly fans coming in were the worst, with Chicago a close second. Certainly, at the other games there was trash talk, but it tended to be more good-natured. I haven't been to a Redskins away game, though. And I'd probably be outright frightened to go to Philly, even though it's the closest city where I can be sure there will be a game.

I truly don't understand why being "unlikely to engage in intimidating behavior and physical violence over a sporting event" is somehow equated with being "soft."

by patriotsgirl (not verified) :: Fri, 01/11/2008 - 2:56pm

36: I've been to three Raiders games in my life (as many as any team that's not the Pats, go figure). Two were in the Coliseum, one in SD.

In SD, we were looking for a parking spot and some nice people waved us into one. They (like many fans) weren't wearing team colors. I asked who they rooted for, and they said "SD, of course - but we're not stupid enough to identify as such and bait the Raiders fans."

In SD at the time (2003), they cut off alcohol at the end of the third quarter for all games, with an asterisk - they would cut alcohol off at halftime for the Oakland game, only.

And my experience at the Coliseum was fine, although I was in the club seats, and a number of grizzled older gentlemen who were diehard Raiders fans (and weren't as soft as cottage cheese) suggested in strong terms that it was not a good idea for me to sit in non-club seats. And, I knew someone (a Skins fan) who went to the Broncos-Raiders game this year and described a young woman wearing a Broncos jersey who was having beer thrown at her - when she cried, they threw more.

So, my short answer is - I don't think it's a good idea to wear your Pats jersey to the Coliseum. (Unless you're in the club seats, then you might be okay!)

by BillWallace (not verified) :: Fri, 01/11/2008 - 6:00pm

re: wuss redskins fans.
I don't think a few people who went crying to the WaPo for a big story should reflect too much on the wussiness of the entire fanbase.

by webmaster (not verified) :: Sat, 02/02/2008 - 1:52am

what would you pay to own passionbucket.com?