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19 Jan 2010

The Week in Quotes: January 19, 2010

compiled by Rory Hickey


"I thought it was classless. I thought it was B.S. Granted, we get paid to stop them, but we had zero timeouts left. I didn't think there was any call for that."

-- Cowboys linebacker Keith Brooking on Vikings throwing the ball late in the game with the outcome already decided, including an 11-yard touchdown pass to Visanthe Shiancoe on fourth-and-3 with 1:55 remaining in the game. (ESPN)

"We don't care what Keith Brooking says. He was about to get his ass whupped on our sideline over there. It don't matter. Nobody said anything when they blew out the Eagles [the past two weeks]. It's the playoffs. It ain't no regular-season game. If you lose, you go home. We take no pity on them. Do they expect us to? I don't care about no Brooking. He can say whatever he wants to say."

-- Vikings defensive tackle Pat Williams responding to Brooking's comments.

"That wasn't rubbing it in. It's just taking care of business."

-- Vikings coach Brad Childress, whom Brooking immediately approached on the sideline after the late touchdown.

"OK, we apologize. I'm sorry. Better?"

-- Vikings tight end Visanthe Shiancoe sarcastically apologizing to Brooking and the Cowboys.


"Hello. Dad, this one's for you."

-- Jets offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer calling his dad Marty Schottenheimer, who was fired after he went 14-2 and lost in the playoffs as Chargers coach in 2006, after the Jets defeated the Chargers. (Monday Morning QB)


"I didn't kick them between the uprights."

-- Chargers kicker Nate Kaeding on what happened on his three missed field goals. (Monday Morning QB)


"I'm in shock. It's surreal to think the season is over."

-- Chargers long snapper David Binn after the Chargers 17-14 loss to the Jets.

"How in the hell did this happen?"

-- Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman reacting to the loss. (NFL Nation)


"It's like an elevator falling all the way from the top; it's tough when it's over."

-- Cowboys coach Wade Phillips on the team's blowout loss to the Vikings. (NFL Nation)



-- Vikings quarterback Brett Favre in the Vikings' locker room, after the team's 34-3 win over the Cowboys, referencing Larry Platt's audition on American Idol.

(The original can be found here)


"I don't want to admit it, but yeah he did give me a kiss."

-- Saints running back Reggie Bush on coach Sean Payton kissing him after the Saints 45-14 win over the Cardinals (The Huddle)


"They overlooked us and that's fine. Basically, that's how they ride down there. I don't blame them, I guess. They're young. They can be cocky. They've got a cocky owner, so that's how they ride. But they came into this dome, and it was hostile for them."

-- Vikings defensive tackle Pat Williams on the Cowboys' attitude prior to their meeting in the playoffs. (NFC North Blog)


"I think it's pretty simple, man. I think he really just needs a football guy in there to help him out."

-- Former Raiders wide receiver Tim Brown on what Raiders' owner Al Davis should do to turn around the team. (The Huddle)


"I will be a head coach in this league, and I will be damn successful, too. There are a lot of good coaches out there, but there are only so many Ryans."

-- Browns defensive coordinator Rob Ryan, son of Buddy and brother of Rex, discussing his future as a coach in the NFL. (The Oakland Tribune)


"You got to start by finding some leaders. The defense has no leaders. There's nobody that can lead this football team."

-- Former Patriot wide receiver Troy Brown on how the Patriots can be better after their playoff loss to the Ravens. (CSN New England)


"I didn't even get one vote for the MVP out of 50 people, so why would they vote for me for offensive player of the year? And all five guys that got votes for MVP were offensive players."

-- Titans running back Chris Johnson's thoughts and confusion over winning NFL Offensive Player of the Year without receiving a single vote for Most Valuable Player. (The Tennessean)


"We respect what USC has done the last few years. But there's change now. Until the new regime proves itself, we believe we have every right to claim this city."

-- UCLA coach Rick Neuheisel on being the new sheriff in town after USC brought in Lane Kiffin to replace the departed Pete Carroll. (Los Angeles Daily News)


"I didn't get a ball today, and I didn't get a look at today. It just happens. It's frustrating. It pisses me off, especially when we lose and especially when I feel like I have a mismatch."

-- Cowboys wide receiver Roy Williams on not having any catches in the Cowboys' loss to the Vikings. (ESPN Dallas)


"Pete Carroll has agreed to take the coaching job for the Seattle Seahawks. I think he'll do a good job up there, but he'll have to adapt to the NFL again after all those years at SC. For example, this week, Pete found out that NFL players pay for their own cars!"

"In his first season as the Colts' head coach, Jim Caldwell led his team to the best record in football and the number-one seed. People are saying at NBC that it's about time for Tony Dungy to show up and take the job back!"

-- Jokes in NFL Network analyst Steve Mariucci's monologue, in which he sported an impression of Jay Leno. (Shutdown Corner)


"I don't want to say anybody is coming after me, but it seems like down the stretch here, I've had a lot of guys kind of go for my head -- or hit me in the head. Whether or not they're going for it, I don't want to put that on anybody."

-- Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner on defenders aiming for his head in light of Warner's numerous concussions throughout his career. (Sports Radio Interviews)


"Am I worried about him getting a reputation for dropping the football? No. Because let's be honest -- he's earned it."

-- Stan Edwards, father of Jets wide receiver Braylon Edwards on Edwards' penchant for dropping easy catches, including a sure touchdown in the wild-card victory over Cincinnati. (Monday Morning QB)


"Another issue, Tom Cable said I don't know if we can win with JaMarcus Russell. Immediately, people said one has to go ... not necessarily. They both could stay, they both could go or one or the other could stay or go."

-- CBS analyst Charlie Casserly on the delicate dynamic in Oakland between coach Tom Cable and quarterback JaMarcus Russell. (Davenetics)

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Posted by: Rory Hickey on 19 Jan 2010

85 comments, Last at 21 Jan 2010, 2:42pm by unclemoe


by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 12:26pm

Brooking should go complain to his coach for using timeouts to stop the clock, if Brooking was so damned anxious to get the game over.

by Theo :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 12:27pm

"OK, we apologize. I'm sorry. Better?"

"We won't do it next time."

by John (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 12:40pm

Please, someone tell me Chris Johnson is more grateful for his award than that. Otherwise, what a maroon.

Can you imagine Peyton Manning asking why he didn't win OPOY after getting MVP, or vice versa?

by dedkrikit (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 1:25pm

He is. Feel better? ;)

But he is pointing out the stupidity of the two awards.

by John (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 1:35pm

They serve two distinct purposes. Someone who racks up 6000 yards passing, but whose team loses every game, is a prime candidate for OPOY, but not MVP.

Or, in this case, 2000 yards rushing on an 8-8 team.

You can't be all that valuable if your team doesn't make the playoffs (or so goes conventional wisdom - I heard a "greatest quarterback of all time" list on sports radio this morning that started with Terry Bradshaw, because he won multiple SBs).

(How can anyone listen to sports radio without it rotting their brain?)

by Ryan D. (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 3:11pm

If the MVP needs to go to someone who most helps his team win games, would Chris Johnson even get the most votes on his own team? Without getting in to correlation and causation here, Kerry Collins + CJ went 0-6 while VY + CJ went 8-2. Wouldn't VY seem to make a better case for being more valuable to the Titans that CJ? Could CJ have gotten to 2k yards or 8 wins had Kerry Collins played the whole year?

by whatyousay :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 4:03pm

Well, we would really have to see what VY looks like w/o CJ. All we can discern from that is that VY is better than Collins, but it may be that CJ was doing the heavy lifting all along but he needed more help from the QB which he got from Young, and if you took CJ off the team no one would win any games ever

also the defense got better too.

by dryheat :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 5:11pm

Of course, to put it another way, the Titans earned a #1 playoff seed last year with LenDale and Johnson splitting carries. This year, with Johnson getting most of them, they missed the playoffs. Hmmm.

by velvetglove99 (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 6:24pm

Great reasoning, since RB is the position which correlates most closely to whether a team makes or misses the playoffs.

by Eddo :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 6:31pm

Methinks you missed the joke.

by Jimmy Oz (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 11:01pm

Johnson should have been MVP. What more do you want him to achieve?

As far as i'm concerned, you shouldn't bring team W-L records into this because teams win Division, Conference and Super Bowl titles, not MVP awards. And so if there's not much more he could have done, why shouldn't he be pissed about not winning the MVP?

by commissionerleaf :: Wed, 01/20/2010 - 1:13pm

Because he turned in a stellar but ultimately futile statistical performance that wasn't valuable enough to his team to get them a winning record, let alone a playoff spot. Drew Brees didn't win the MVP last year either.

Peyton Manning is the MVP because it is painfully obvious how awful the Colts offense would be without him.

by Jimmy Oz (not verified) :: Wed, 01/20/2010 - 7:30pm

no way the Colts would be awful with any of the other top QBs in the league - Brees, Brady, Favre, Rivers, Rodgers, Roethlisberger - playing for them. Also its like you're saying that because Painter sucks, Peyton deserves the award. I disagree with both of these points.

Also, i hate your line about statistical performance because Chris Johnson was not banging away at a keyboard trying to get the macros on his spreadsheet to work. He played football, and performed. Ultimately it was futile because the Titans lost enough games because of things like Moulton's two special teams fumbles v Jets in week three. These things don't mean that Johnson wasn't the most valuable, only that the Titans weren't good enough as a team to win enough games to make the playoffs.

If you think Peyton deserved it, thats cool, its your taste, but the reasons you've given are dodgy.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 12:51pm

Charlie Casserly, Master Logician.

by Independent George :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 1:06pm

Nobody gets a job in the NFL without mastering Boolean conditions.

by TomC :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 2:46pm

There's a print ad running in Chicago right now seeking volunteers for a medical study. It asks: "Are you depressed? Diabetic? Diabetic and depressed? Neither?" I considered writing to the advertisers and suggesting that they could save space by condensing this to: "Do you exist?"

by McBain (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 12:53pm

Can't believe Mark Sanchez didn't make the list:

“Speaking of coach Carroll, I just want everyone to know, I completely disagree with his decision to go to the NFL,” Sanchez joked. “Statistics show that it’s not a good choice.”

by McBain (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 12:57pm

Never mind - it was in last week's version.

by JoeHova :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 1:02pm

**"Immediately, people said one has to go ... not necessarily. They both could stay, they both could go or one or the other could stay or go." **

That is classic. Way to cover all your bases.

by bingo762 :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 1:08pm

The Vikings "Eff You" TD was Childress getting revenge for Andy Reid, right? I haven't heard anyone in the media bring up that angle.

by Marko :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 1:24pm

That assumes that You Know Who actually runs the plays that Childress wants to be run. Which isn't necessarily the case. As Casserly might say, maybe the QB ran the play that was called, but maybe he didn't. And if he did, maybe it was getting revenge for Andy Reid, but maybe it wasn't.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 1:33pm

From here on out, perhaps all football commentary should be required to follow what will be referred to as The Qualified Casserly Conditionals. It would be even better than Joe Buck going to an All-Haiku format.

by bingo762 :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 2:09pm

Well Reid and Favre are friends from andy's Green Bay days, so I still like to think of it as Reid's Revenge.

by Kevin from Philly :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 3:39pm

Or maybe YKW threw the pass to make Childress defend "his" play call. Machiavellian!

by MCS :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 1:53pm

The Vikings are still mad about the Herschel Walker trade.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 2:08pm

That would be like getting mad at the tree, after you drove into it.

by MCS :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 3:32pm

They are Vikings...

J/K Will

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 3:38pm

No need to explain; any real fan of a team revels as much in their failures as their successes, especially when there have been no ultimate successes. Who the hell would want to be a Yankee fan, anyways?

Easy for me to say, I know.....

by Joe T. :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 2:13pm

I think its Brett Favre just being Brett Favre, you know, having fun out there.

by doubleipa (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 3:38pm

Throwing 4 TD passes in a playoff game sounds like fun to me! Go Favre.

by tuluse :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 11:16pm

Al Bundy agrees.

by dryheat :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 3:03pm

I don't know, but I'm reasonably sure that if a surly man in a hoodie was coaching the Vikings, the play would reek of arrogance, poor sportsmanship, and an invitation for karmic retribution.

by MilkmanDanimal :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 1:10pm

I do like Kaeding's perfectly logical response to a stupid question.

by Paul R :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 2:10pm


by Packerpalooza (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 1:17pm

If the Vikings had won 27-3 or 30-3 all of the focus would be on the tremendous victory and everything that led to that result.

Typical Childress. Even when he gets his team to score he manages to mess things up..........

by I am excellent at making love (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 1:33pm

I guess we'll never know what Mike McCarthy would do in the exact same situation . . .

by Packerpalooza (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 1:38pm

Taking the swipe in the wrong direction given that I as well as many other Packer fans have criticized Mikey's many obvious flaws.

But again, do try and distract the masses from the obvious. That if Favre just kneels down this is a non-issue. Or the team had kicked a field goal. Or the third string running back had dove into the line. There were any number of options that didn't strike folks as being petty.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 1:47pm

It is a non-issue, to anyone with an ounce of sense. I will suggest again what I put forth when the senseless were complaining about Belichick hanging 50 on people a couple of years ago. Equip every coach with a white flag, along with the red one, and if a coach ever thinks it is an important concern whether his squad gets beat by multiple touchdowns plus one, instead of mere multiple touchdowns, he can toss the white flag on the field, and everybody can go home and be spared such a hideous spectacle of pettiness. And hopefully we can be also be spared much pointless commentary.

by Thanos (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 4:19pm

As it is two days after the fact and there are still people talking about it, it is an issue. Is it a big deal? Not to me, but when I saw it happen I certainly thought that it was petty. It certainly reeks of poor sportsmanship, and I believe that the Vikings would have been better served by kicking a FG. The increase in the difference in the score was irrelevant, and all who paid attention to the game were aware of it. As such, it was just some unnecessary shot taken by the team. Discretion sometimes is the better part of valor.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 5:12pm

This is really curious to me. What difference does it make if the Vikings run a dive play, a play action pass, or kick a field goal? How does it reek of poor sportsmanship? It's a football game. There is no advantage to be gained by turning the ball over. Why does it matter what play was called?

I can see an argument that the starters shouldn't have been on the field, but really, the risk of injury contained in a few more plays is pretty small. Why does anybody care?

by Thanos (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 5:45pm

It reeks of poor sportsmanship because the term 'sportsmanship' is defined by; 'conduct and attitude considered as befitting participants in sports with the prominent aspects of fair play, courtesy, striving spirit, and grace in losing.'
Now, I will certainly grant that this is only one definition, but I would be willing to wager that many other definitions will share the same traits.
By it being a 'game' qualities of sportsmanship will always be associated with it.
It matters what play is called because the choice of play is reflective of the sportsmanship of the play caller.
To rub an opponent's face in losing is indicative of poor sportsmanship. Going for a TD on 4th down with under 2:00 to go while clearly dominating a game is rubbing an opponent's face in the fact that they are losing. I am not advocating turning the ball over, taking a knee, or the like. If the Vikes had gone for the FG or ran a play designed to get the first down so that they could control the ball for the remainder of the game, this would not be discussed. But they went beyond 'stepping on the Cowboy's neck.'
All this being said, I am in favor of completely dominating your opponent, but there is a time when it is generally accepted to 'call off the dogs.'

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 6:01pm

Well, you just put forth an argument via assertion, which is not exactly convincing. You do realize that they were on about the 14 yard line, which means that there isn't a whole lot of margin between getting a first down and scoring a touchdown? Jumpin' jehosaphat, who dainty are everyone's feelings in the NFL? It was a stinkin' 14 yard pattern run by a tight end. THAT'S rubbing somebody's face in it? Sheesh.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 6:05pm

Jumpin' jehosaphat, my dyslexia is ridiculous! "how", of course.

by Thanos (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 6:43pm

Well, since you asked about sportsmanship, I do not know another manner to get the point across. I was not trying to do create a 'pile on' type of argument, I was responding to multiple sentences in your message, and did not give enough space between points.

We are essentially discussing semantics (what is sportsmanship) I gave you a definition. I do not know what more could be done on that aspect. If you do not agree with me on what sportsmanship is, then okay, I won't attempt to change your mind.

If you view the play call in a vacuum, then yes, it is a 14 yd TE pattern. But I feel that context should be added to the situation; 1)Vikes were up by 24 points, 2)less than 2:00 remained, 3)it was 4th down, 4)there were numerous other positive possibilities/options other than throwing the ball into the endzone, 5)passes of the distance thrown are more than intermediate routes.

If you think that 12 yards isn't a whole lot of margin, we will just have to disagree on that point.

To be succinct (which is a problem for me), deliberately scoring a TD when you are up by multiple TDs, there is little time remaining, it is 4th down, and you throw the ball 20 yds (real distance NOT just from the spot) is bad sportsmanship per se to me.

by Thanos (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 6:46pm

Whoops, meant to delete the first sentence.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 7:02pm

If someone thinks that running a 20 yard pass pattern in the red zone at the end of a game, on fourth down, while up 24 points "reeks" of discourtesy or unfairness, I tend to think that, like Keith Brooking, that person is entirely overly-sensitive regarding the issue, and I will supply a definition of "overly sensitive" if need be.

It's a football game. The Cowboys signaled that they still wanted to play, by calling time outs. The Vikings continued to play. Really, what is the big deal?

In any case, I'll agree to disagree with you as well.

by Thanos (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 7:18pm

I would argue that since the Cowboys did not call said time outs during the drive under discussion (they called them when there was 6+ minutes remaining), they were not signaling that they still wanted to play.

Out of curiosity what is your threshold level for 'bad sportsmanship' as it applies to 'running up the score' situations? I mean no disrespect, just seeing where your definition begins.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 7:30pm

In professional football, where people are being paid large sums of money to execute as well as they possibly can, I do not think it is possible to run up the score. If they want to start giving money back to the people who paid to see, or advertise on, the game, fine, players and coaches can then be permitted to cease trying with every bit of energy and intellect that they have. Until then, they earn what they are getting paid to do, advance the ball, and keep possession until scoring, or prevent the other team from advancing the ball or maintaining possession, with everything they have.

Now, if the Vikings had lined up for field goal, and instead ran a fake, I would be more generous in my attitude towards somebody like Brooking, even though I'd still say he was overly sensitive. Frankly, I think kicking a field goal would be more irritating than going for it; at least the latter gives the defense a better chance of preventing another score.

by Ewout (not verified) :: Wed, 01/20/2010 - 8:30am

I can hardly imagine a greater insult than your opponent pulling their starters against you when they're winning. "You guys suck so much we can play anybody and beat you."
I can hardly imagine a greater self-humiliation than to ask for exactly that.

by crack (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 2:21pm

As opposed to your response which is high minded.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 2:49pm

High-minded is not an antonym of pointless. Try again, and this time please try say something specific to the topic being discussed, instead of engaging in a pointlessly hostile remark. You don't even have to be high-minded.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 2:52pm

Sorry, crack, just realized you were probably not addressing me. Don't mind me, I'm just wasting my time between calls from my pointlessly pesky clients. Damn their pretensions of high-mindedness!

by I am excellent at making love (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 4:05pm

"Taking a swipe in the wrong direction" is an interesting criticism from someone who accuses a coach of "messing up"--on his way to the NFC Championship.

Like you, and like most fans, I am occasionally critical of my team's head coach. But I don't get where the "Childress is an idiot" meme comes from. The guy is 22-10 in the last two regular seasons, one of which was with either Gus Frerotte or TJack at QB.

Is there a large number of NFL coaches right now who could be considered better than Childress?

by Thanos (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 4:25pm

In answer to your question: To the general population almost certainly. Objectively, that should not be the case, though. The guy's job is to get his team in the best position to win, and he has consistently done that while showing improvement from year to year.
For whatever reason the guy has gotten some kind of 'stink' on him that cause people to pile on him.

by Packerpalooza (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 4:43pm

I am:

As a Wisconsin fan, I have a lot of history of Childress. Interestingly, I met him at several alum functions where the coaching staff was available. Barry Alvarez is very engaging. Brad was.....well....not.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 5:29pm

Childress is a not , to put it kindly, a dynamic-looking fella, and people are always more prone to ridicule those who are not blessed to be pleasant looking. Wade Phillips gets the same treatment to some degree. He really isn't skilled at public relations, and by all reports is pretty aloof personally, which is why I have referred to him as The Chiller at times. Combine all that, then unless you hang some playoff scalps on the wall, you are going to get ridiculed by football fans.

Substantively, the biggest knock I have on Childress is that his talent evaluation skills to date have been very uneven, albeit within the context of havng sound instincts as to building a roster. This team has consistently been pretty darn good on the line of scrimmage since he arrived, but he really has struck out on the evaluation of qb talent until a certain somebody dropped from heaven into his lap. He also did things like trade undrafted free agent Hank Baskett, who at least can stick on a NFL roster, for a guy who was completely valueless, like Billy McMullen, or decide that John Sullivan would come close to matching Birk's performance.

All in all, the quality veterans seem to respect him, after getting used to his aloof manner, and they rarely have looked unprepared. Teamed with a personnel office which guides the draft effectively, a team could do a lot worse than Childress, and often has.

by muteant :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 9:39pm

Dynamic he may not be, but I said on the record before the season started that that beard was good for at least two extra wins. Before the grizzle he looked more suited to specializing in TRS-80 repair.

"We're the worst thing since sliced bread" - Steve Francis

by Balaji (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 1:18pm

Neuheisel's quote is unexpectedly hilarious. "Claim this city"? I guess his guys do wear blue, the opposing guys do wear red, and they are in Los Angeles.

by Sophandros :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 1:29pm


Sports talk radio and sports message boards are the killing fields of intellectual discourse.

by Harris :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 1:21pm

Oh, Vikings. Yyou crush the Cowboys and mock them in the process . . . Dammit, falling in love with you wasn't part of the plan.

Hail Hydra!

by Anonymously (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 2:19pm

Whew. Not a single Ravens quote.

by Kevin from Philly :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 3:42pm


by bravehoptoad :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 8:22pm

ding ding. Winner.

by Temo :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 2:21pm

Professional players whining about running up the score is sickening, and the media only served to encourage this attitude with their ridiculous excoriation of Belichick in '07.

by Packerpalooza (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 2:45pm


I find your input interesting in that I have most of your posts to be fairly reasonable. To share just a bit I work in private equity which can be fairly ruthless and yet instances of competitors either in our outside a firm actually stepping on the opposition's neck are not the norm. Sure, you work to win and win big. But you don't win and then kick someone in the groin becuase hey, you could be needing a job, etc somewhere down the road. Rubbing someone's nose in sh*t is fun and if you are so secure you can be a legend for making it happen. But long-term it typically bites you in the *ss.

I just found these late game actions unseemly. Why does that make it whining?

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 3:07pm

I'll stick my nose in here and say it is whining because what is being discussed here, the playcalling of a football game, in terms of good taste, is trivial beyond description. Thus, to comment as if the calling of play A, instead of play B, can have some import on seemliness, that is, as if it can provide insight into tasteful behavior, is akin to making seriously critical remarks about wearing white after Labor Day. Go watch Oprah if that stuff is important to you.

by Packerpalooza (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 3:53pm

Dumb question. Since you find the whole matter dumb why do you persist in responding on the topic?

And on a follow up, I haven't engaged in any direct snark. At least not at any posters. Just football coaches. Why not the same consideration?

And no, my feelings are not 'hurt'. I just find it weird.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 5:39pm

The same reason I watch my neighbor try to fix his roof while it is raining. Dumb behavior is frequently entertaining.

Look, one of the larger cop-outs is to be snarky towards public figures, and then find it notable when your tone is imitated when people address you. Do you really find it weird that people mirror your tone, no matter what the target of your tone is? If you want to get snarky about Brad Childress, don't be surprised that people get snarky when they think the subject of your derision is pretty silly. Are you truly unable to appreciate the irony in denouncing Childress for pettiness, because of a playcall at the end of a football game?

by Packerpalooza (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 7:26pm

I was working within the confines of what I thought was proper forum posting where public figures could generate comment but among posters direct comments were to be tempered and lacking in personalization. I have seen multiple posters here reprimanded for terming others dumb, etc.

But if those rules no longer apply then so be it.

Enjoy your ridicule.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 7:33pm

I believe it was you who first employed the word "dumb".

by Packerpalooza (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 7:39pm

In reference to my own question. And now you get to enjoy the snark response of "Yes, it was a dumb question" or something similar.

I never referred to you as dumb. At no time have I have ever directly insulted any poster at this site.

I have most certainly taken shots at various members of the Packers as well as others around the NFL as well as NCAA football. Save the players of the NCAA as they are kids and I deem that inappropriate.

by Harris :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 5:41pm

You would wear white after Labor Day?! You, sir, will NOT be invited to Miffy's boating party. I will see to that!

Hail Hydra!

by Temo :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 3:15pm

Would I have done the same thing as Childress? No. I think it's unnecessary and (realistically) way worse than any of Belichick's shenanigans (it's ridiculous to hear talk of running up the score in the 3rd quarter). Maybe he had some kind of axe to grind, or he didn't want to bring out the FG unit for whatever reason, or he just thought he was doing the Cowboys a favor by play-actioning on 4th and 3. His motivations are his alone, and I won't bother guessing what those are.

But from the other side, whining about it strikes me as unprofessional as it gets, basically a faux-prideful way of begging for mercy. It's not something that I think players should engage in. Let it simmer if it bothers you and take it out on the field. Don't whine about it.

by Packerpalooza (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 3:58pm

By the way, I agree that the players stating anything publicly could be construed as whining. I thought you, like others here, were stating that anyone who had issue with what happened were also whining.

Players should channel their anger for the next opportunity.

But as fans there is nothing wrong with recognizing a lack of sportsmanship.

by Temo :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 4:50pm

But as fans there is nothing wrong with recognizing a lack of sportsmanship.

Of course. Fans can engage in any number of rational or irrational arguments. That's the nature of fandom, for better or worse.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 3:16pm

Well, to be fair, perhaps I lack the ability to understand how calling a play-action pass on fourth and three with a couple minutes left in a 27-3 game is anywhere close to analogous to a kick in the goin. Having been kicked in the groin, unfortunately, by ill-tempered fellows in combat boots, and also, unfortunately, having been on the losing side of a blowout where the team blowing us out was doing everything they could to score until triple zeros, I much preferred the latter. But that's just me.

by Eddo :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 2:55pm


Sometimes I feel like the only reason the mainstream media exists is to polarize issues. They aren't even consistent.

Example: they condemn the Patriots and Vikings for "running up the score", which they define as trying your hardest to increase the margin of victory, even though the binary outcome of the contest is no longer in doubt.

Compare this to how they also criticize Usain Bolt for "taunting" other runners by slowing down and prematurely celebrating before he crosses the finish line.

So now they've said it's wrong to both continue trying your best when a contest is already decided and to ease up when a contest is decided.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 3:27pm

Eddo, what you fail to realize is that the outrageasaurus must be fed, no matter what. Now, if you put the meal in the form of, "Think about the effect it will have on THE CHILDREN!!!", well, that is a 28 ounce porterhouse served rare.

by The Ninjalectual :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 2:31pm

I was wondering how long this has to last until people start talking about the Shottenheimer curse...

"Just look at that pumpkin."
-John Madden, looking at the moon.

by Vinny Testaverde (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 2:54pm

I think the NFL was more interesting when the Pats were cheating... I kind of miss them going deeper into the play-offs.

by Packerpalooza (not verified) :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 7:58pm

I enjoy watching football, but it is pretty clear I am out of step with fellow fans. I am all for intense competition, but these comments about eating ice cream afterward, etc baffle me.

I understand that even this message will be perceived as presenting myself as 'holier than thou' which is not the intent. I just legitimately do not understand.

by bravehoptoad :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 8:29pm

This is a case where bad losers and bad winners play each other. If the Cowboys were good losers, and took the point differential in stride, or if the Vikings good winners, and didn't run up the score, there wouldn't be a steam about the issue.

by I am excellent at making love (not verified) :: Wed, 01/20/2010 - 10:13am

Who the hell do you think you are? Where do you get off?

Now! Let's get some ice cream.

by Ben :: Tue, 01/19/2010 - 9:34pm

Peyton Manning's mid-play "God damn it Donald!"


I really need to get a better capture of that from my TiVo.

by unclemoe :: Thu, 01/21/2010 - 2:42pm

Marty got fired after going 14-2 and losing to the Patriots at home in the Divisional Round. The Chargers lost to the Jets under Marty's helm two years prior at home in the Wild Card Round thanks to more misses from Kaeding. I don't know if that was really made clear in the quote description or Peter King's column.