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Week 2 Open Game Discussion

Here's the thread for open discussion of all Week 2 NFL's games, starting on Thursday night with Houston at Cincinnati, then going all day Sunday, and ending with Detroit at the New York Giants on Monday Night Football.

Because of issues we are having with spam on the message boards, we're going to try something new (that's actually something very old) and host the open discussion with a standard FO post instead this week. Please let us know if this creates problems because of server slowness.


80 comments, Last at 19 Sep 2017, 9:43pm

17 Re: Week 2 Open Game Discussion

Aeropress is fantastic. I use it at work with my own beans instead of the crappy work coffee. I only have one minor concern which is that it's a hard plastic exposed to hot water, I would prefer if they could make it out of something like stainless.

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Aeropress is great at work, makes great single serve cups of coffee with easy clean up. At home fresh beans are paramount so get a good burr grinder, combine this with any decent drip maker and decent beans and you are good to go.

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Yeah, I have a Capresso Infinity Conical Burr grinder, which has pretty good performance for the price. I also use pour over because I don't want to keep a machine on my counter. For work I'll often grind beans at home and put them in an air tight container. I do have a hand grinder at work which works well but I'm usually too lazy to use it.

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I can't tell if people are having trouble with this format of open discussion or if it's just that nobody cares about this game.

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At the 2 minute warning I was preparing to post a comment that both of these teams appear to be playing down to the level of their competition. This may still be true, but at least something happened to slightly offset the previous 28 minutes of this "game".

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Bernard, Hill and Mixon is the kind of backfield that instantly makes me wonder which one of them will be picking up a Championship Ring with the Patriots in 2019.

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Yeah, I am scratching my head about the Mixon pick. Bernard is a great back, he can catch passes and has the agility to make players miss in space. Hill is a between the tackles bruiser. It seems like they already had the thunder and lightning combination required for a complete backfield. Then they pick up Mixon...I don't doubt he is talented but this is a team that didn't need another RB. Maybe they should have worked on fixing up the O-line instead.

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From what I saw...yes. He stared down his read and pulled his eyes down quickly when his first read wasn't open.
The only two things that salvaged the game was Hopkins ability to get open every play and the scramble that lead to a TD.
There were also a couple dropped TAINTs that could have made this ugly.

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I watched about 3/4 of this game. Going in I was really curious how Tom Savage beats out someone in training camp; after watching the first half of that game I'm not wondering that anymore. That this game didn't end up being decided by a defensive score was really kind of a shock after watching Watson & Daltons first couple of series.

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Trying to re-watch this game - they said the Texans dressed only 3 wide receivers.
That seems like a low number. Don't teams normally dress 5?
I was actually wondering about an average buildup of an 53-men NFL roster.

54 Re: If both Bulaga and Bahktiari

They are doomed. They also have no back-ups with any experience with Spriggs and Barclay injured as well (not that they were all that great but at least they have some experience). Since McCarthy never gives help to his tackles, even if they tried practicing to so, you'll be having players that aren't used to helping trying to do so as well. Oh well, I wasn't sure they could win this game with everyone healthy.

57 Re: If both Bulaga and Bahktiari

The defense giving up 7.4 yards per play with 10 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter has been a much bigger problem than the starting tackles....

Losing Daniels on the D-line to injury doesn't help, but Atlanta doesn't exactly have great offensive tackles in the game either.

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It's worrying. Though I wonder whether the Vikings coaching staff looked at this fixture - an out of conference road game, on a short week, against a very strong opponent - and really erred on the side of caution. If there's a game to drop early in the season, it's this one.

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On the first drive of the game Alex Smith hits Kelce for a long pass down the sideline. Maybe he really is becoming a more aggressive QB.

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Tony Romo is already the best commentater this side of Cris Collinsworth (who I think has been going downhill for a couple years now), so Romo might well be the best on Sundays period.

But what's wrong with his voice? It has no bass whatsoever to it! I'm certain that the expensive mics they use would pick it up, if it ws there.

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So, I have no access to a television, and am looking at the NFL GameCenter, so could somebody answer a couple of questions for me?

1. What the HECK is going on in Jacksonville? Lots of similar looking stats on each side.

2. How did the Titans get the ball? It's not showing a turnover or a punt or a failed fourth down; it's just "1st and 25, Jacksonville" followed by "2nd and 7, Tennessee." What's the story there?

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A completely absurd long completion for the Eagles. A deep pass that should've been picked easily, but instead the defender pops the ball way up in the air as if he was trying to set up a volleyball spike. Zach Ertz is able to catch the ball on the carom without even breaking stride. But he's run down short of the end zone with 2 seconds left, and the ensuing field goal attempt is missed.

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3rd and very long - play action (that no one buys) and then a pass well short of the sticks.
Pittsburgh HaleyBall is in full force.

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The Pats have a Soldier and a Cannon on their o-line. How has this not resulted in some good squad nicknames? Like I don't know, the Grunts? Instead of a pocket, maybe Brady works in the Theatre of Operations? Or the Combat Zone? I bet somebody can think of something funnier

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Bears down 29-0 and in the red zone with about 10 minutes to go. Glennon throws well short of the first down on third and fourth down to covered receivers. Both receivers dropped the ball, but those were bad decisions regardless. I don't think Glennon even looked to the end zone. The team is going to lose anyway. Why not put in Trubinsky and see what he can do. Even if it's a bit worse, he can learn from the situation.

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Time to start ringing the alarm bells about Cam Newton? Taken several brutal sacks and been horribly inaccurate at times today.

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Aikman: what impresses me about Prescott is he just doesn't turn the ball over

*rubs hands together sinisterly* excellent, I will enjoy seeing Denver's defense make an idiot out of Aikman

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So what players have stood out to you all so far for their performance early?

Obviously RB Kareem Hunt in KC
LB Zach Brown and CB Josh Norman look like all-pros in WAS
QB Trevor Siemian in DEN has been really impressive so far.

Terrelle Pryor hasn't impressed at WR so far in WAS. He's doing things like stretching the ball forward precariously while getting tackled, risking a fumble for the dubious benefit of an extra yard on a 5 yard gain on 1st and 10.

WAS RB Chris Thompson is picking up the slack for him though

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Despite National Jump to Conclusions week, Brady looked absolutely fine week 2 vs. a defense that's now confirmed as terrible. Concerning, however, is an injury stack at receiver: Hogan was dinged up, Burkhead (now a slot guy for them) left after a half, Gronk missed time with a groin injury, and there's the already missing: Edelman, Amendola, and Mitchell. They still have talent at receiver, but there's little depth and few WRs.

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Officiating questions from watching Denver v Dallas.
It really looked to me like the Dez touchdown was OPI - is there something I am missing in the rule.
It also looked like at least two different blocks in the back didn't get called (one on the anderson TD pass, one on the punt), is the officiating missing these or is there something in the rule I don't understand?

Thanks for any help

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Better OL in front of him and more imaginative play calling seems to be helping Siemian. If Bolles is as badly injured as he might be though the first part of that sentence could be history already. With the number of bad QBs wrecking teams at the moment someone who can play well enough with a decent supporting cast can look good, and Dallas' defence is not the team's strengths. Still as a Bronco's fan this season is looking more hopefully than last (and for the future wth players like Gotsis starting to show up as well). Of course Bolles seeming a competent OT has helped that feeling, so hope it isn't a season ending injury.

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He's a smart kid with an arm that's not great but still is average or maybe a tiny bit better. Those kind of players have a chance in the NFL. Most of them crap out, but of the Mount Rushmore of QBs, at least two of them (Brady and Montana) meet that description to a tee. The biggest problem with him right now is he just hasn't played a lot of football, at least as a full time starter. I'm not sure if he's even started 30 games since high school, and maybe not even 25.

If you put him with a decent line and give him weapons, he's going to look like an above average NFL QB with room to grow. At least that's what Kubiak saw when he plucked him from the trash heap. It's hard to say he's wrong 16 games in.

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Despite the phantom pick call on Bennett, GB can't do anything right tonight and like most weeks, they're being completely outcoached. How long can Capers possibly last?!

63 Re: Week 2 Open Game Discussion

The way this game is going and the way the Bears-Bucs game went earlier today makes the closeness of that Bears-Falcons game last week seem quite weird.

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On one hand, the Arizona-Indy game concerns me as a Detroit fan, because Arizona can't score against Indy's defense.

On the other hand, the Dallas-Denver game warms my heart, because Dallas's d-line isn't getting much rush, which tells me the NYG line actually is that bad.

It will be the battle of the stoppable vs the vincible.

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When did Mike Glennon become Blake Bortles?

NC State wishes this has happened when he was still in college.

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The new Falcon stadium looks really beautiful - and I got to say the lighting on the players looks different.
I guess that's what a buck 60 gets you.

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I hate whining about the officials, but as someone who has no favorite teams in this game, there have been a lot of dubious calls in favor of the Giants. Three uncalled cheap shots (Stafford getting poked in the eye by Kennard, then Kennard taking a two-step running start after Stafford threw the ball before cleaning him out, then Davis getting concussed from behind on an uncalled illegal block), the most recent immediately followed by a spot that gave the Giants an extra half-yard before replay, and while I think the uncalled hit on Stafford's slide that Lang got angry over was a good no-call, well, Lang came over from Green Bay and Rodgers would have drawn a flag. Officials aren't perfect, but it would be nice to see the bad calls go both ways.

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At the risk of sounding like a homer, could not agree more. For once, my favorite team has a commanding lead, so I have the luxury of not stressing about it too much. If the Giants actually had on offensive line, and this game were closer, I would be apoplectic.

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The Lions running the ball is a weird mix of disastrous failure and big plays. It's like the Bollywood version of the Sanders Lions.

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If there's one positive to come out of tonight for the Giants, it's that Eli has shown he can still stand in there and take a beating. It won't look pretty by DVOA/DYAR, but I think I'm actually higher on him now than I was before the game.

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Well, crap. I was banking on the Lions regressing based on their ridiculous number of late game comebacks last season (and poor DVOA overall)... but they have looked better than the Packers after 1/8 of the season.

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I wouldn't have called the Cards one of the worst teams, despite their problems on offense; in fact, I don't think they're so much worse than the Seahawks.I would say, on the other hand, that the Lions have won despite bad calls while the Packers have benefited from horrible calls. GB could easily be 0-2.

The Lions game against ATL next week will be telling.