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Week 16 Open Game Discussion

After a nice, relaxing, football-free Thursday, the NFL returns on Saturday with a pair of games featuring playoff-contending teams: Washington (7-7) at Tennessee (8-6) and Baltimore (8-6) at the Chargers (11-3). Big games on Sunday include Houston (10-4) at Philadelphia (7-7), Pittsburgh (8-5-1) at New Orleans (12-2), and Kansas City (11-3) at Seattle (8-6). And then on Christmas Eve there's a game between Denver and Oakland that nobody is going to watch. Use this thread to discuss them all!

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58 comments, Last at 24 Dec 2018, 11:41pm

1 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Raiderjoe // Dec 22, 2018 - 8:33pm

What haooened ro my post.

Well, will try again

Saturday picks

Pretty sure had Tirans 20, Squirrels 17
Ravens 23. Chargers 20

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2 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Dec 22, 2018 - 9:07pm

Probably a lot of people have already heard this, but Lamar Jackson only needs 13 yards in this game to pass Philip Rivers' career rushing total. A rather remarkable stat.

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3 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by herewegobrowniesherewego // Dec 22, 2018 - 9:22pm

Browns officially eliminated now that the Titans win. The Mora delusion was fun while it lasted...

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4 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Dec 22, 2018 - 9:47pm

Wow, back to back BS penalties on the Chargers to erase huge 3rd down completions.

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15 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by cstoos // Dec 23, 2018 - 3:12am

Chargers were dominated in that game. Penalties did not make any difference. I'd expect DVOA to be extremely lopsided in this one. The only reason it was even close was the Ravens fumble.

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17 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Dec 23, 2018 - 6:11am

I posted that during the first quarter, so it wasn’t supposed to be a comment on the game in general. There’s no doubt that the Ravens defense asserted its dominance overall.

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24 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by PTORaven // Dec 23, 2018 - 1:40pm

that OPI was borderline, prob shouldn't have been called but you can see why a ref might've thought there was a penalty in real time. but on the following play, there was no question it was an illegal shift. the receiver was standing up talking at the ref when the ball was snapped and didn't get set. clearly shown during the broadcast replay.

i love philip rivers, but the arguing with the refs on every call gets kinda old, and when he does it the other players seem to do it more. right there it cost them, but if the chargers feel that players complaining to the refs more frequently (or more vehemently i guess) than other teams will give them an edge in future calls, then chalk that penalty up as the cost of doing business. not trying to say it's a bad strategy either, it prob does help them out a little even if the refs try their best not to let that stuff bias future calls.

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5 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Anger...rising // Dec 22, 2018 - 10:15pm

If you reach the ball across the line to gain and then voluntarily pull it back, you have not gained a first down. It's not the goddamn goal line.

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13 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by JimZipCode // Dec 23, 2018 - 1:47am

Yeah, but Lamar was still up, and finished the play across the first down marker. So, you're right, but doesn't change the result of the play.

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25 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by PTORaven // Dec 23, 2018 - 1:50pm

ravens got burned on this in the Saints game earlier this season. Brees converted a 4th-and-1 a few minutes into the 4th quarter doing this same thing, and the ravens most likely would've won had it been called correctly (it was late and the ravens were still up, saints had to score 17 points in that 4th quarter to win). i'd never noticed it before that game, but i was hoping the refs would look at that play and make an adjustment to how they call it moving forward. but even the announcers got it wrong when they compared it to a goalline play. i really do hope they fix this in the future though. never noticed it before this season at that saints game, but this being a copycat league, 4th and inches will become as automatic as extra points if they don't fix this.

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6 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Steve B // Dec 23, 2018 - 12:08am

Was there ever really any doubt the Chargers would shit the bed in this game? It's in their DNA.

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7 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Steve B // Dec 23, 2018 - 12:14am

Philip Rivers = Career statpadder who will NEVER see a SB

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8 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Dec 23, 2018 - 12:33am

I think you must've gotten lost on the way to some other football website.

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9 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Steve B // Dec 23, 2018 - 12:35am

Why, we not allowed to say negative things about the Chargers and Rivers here?

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11 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Snowflake Jake // Dec 23, 2018 - 1:08am

Say whatever you like. Just don't expect anyone here to be impressed with your AM drive time reject level hot takes.

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12 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Steve B // Dec 23, 2018 - 1:17am

"Snowflake" Jake living up to his name. You're right, my mistake. The Chargers and Rivers have a long history of coming through in situations like the one they were in tonight.

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16 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by cstoos // Dec 23, 2018 - 3:15am

Chargers were dominated two games straight. They won against KC but as they stated in the DVOA post, KC dominated that game. I still think they will be a tough out in the playoffs because of the defense though.

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22 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Will Allen // Dec 23, 2018 - 12:49pm

I don't know why I bother, but I suspect your sense of "long" and "history" is so deficient as to render the terms useless.

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10 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Stendhal1 // Dec 23, 2018 - 1:05am

It’s about one half hour since the game ended and ESPN is reporting the score as 22-10 but does not include the final touchdown in the box score, game cast report, or play by play report. One would think the purported sports leader to possess a basic level of competence.

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14 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by JimZipCode // Dec 23, 2018 - 1:48am

Based on their extensive track record?

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21 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 23, 2018 - 12:16pm

I take it you're unfamiliar with ESPN.

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18 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Dec 23, 2018 - 6:19am

I would like to mention the crappy field conditions last night. It obviously sounds like a lame excuse, but I do think it played into the hands of the team with the more attritional offense. Chargers receivers were slipping about trying to make cuts all night.

It must be a huge relief for the NFL that the Chargers, barring miracles, will not now host a playoff game.

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19 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Dec 23, 2018 - 6:30am

To add to this, the under on the game was bet heavily in the 24 hours prior to kick-off, and I do suspect that was because certain sharp bettors became aware of the poor field conditions.

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54 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by TGT // Dec 24, 2018 - 11:35am

Both teams were sliding all over the place, but mostly on offense, for some reason.

In general, I think bad fields are better for passing teams. If it's hard to cut when you know where you're going, it's got to be much harder to plant and change direction when you aren't prepared for it. Despite that, the Ravens still played agressive on the receivers. It was gutsy, and impressive that they didn't get burned on big passes.

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20 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Raiderjoe // Dec 23, 2018 - 10:55am

rest of picks

Clots 34, Gaints 24
Dolphins 23, Jaguars 17
Falcons 27, pamnthers 20
Browns 31, Bengals 27
Cowbiys 24, VBuccaneers 20
Vikings 30, Loins 17
Packers 27, Jets 20
Patriots 40, Bills 17
Texans 32, Eagles 23
Rams 27, Cardnals 9
Bears 33, 49esr 18
Saints 38, Steelers 24
Seahawks 29, Cgiefs 24
Raiders 44, Broncos 10

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23 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Will Allen // Dec 23, 2018 - 12:51pm

Love this time of year because of all the odd rooting interests which develop due to the various playoff permutations.

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43 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by RickD // Dec 23, 2018 - 8:36pm

Patriots fans were all rooting for the Eagles today!

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26 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Raiderjoe // Dec 23, 2018 - 2:24pm

Did cosnider Jets abd Buccs as upset picks buf as seen abive picked the other temas

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27 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Dec 23, 2018 - 2:48pm

All of 27 combined passing yards in the first quarter of the Bills-Patriots game.

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28 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Cheesehead_Canuck // Dec 23, 2018 - 3:34pm

Different coach, different opposing QB, and the Lions still lay an LOL when defending a Hail Mary.

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29 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Dec 23, 2018 - 3:38pm

Wow, Cousins to Kyle Rudolph for a Hail Mary as the half expires.

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30 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Cheesehead_Canuck // Dec 23, 2018 - 3:40pm

I know fantasy implications aren’t talked a lot here, but Gronk is costing me a fantasy championship before my very eyes. To be honest I’m not sure how my team is in the finals but here we are.

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31 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Dec 23, 2018 - 3:54pm

The Jags have managed the impressive achievement of working their way into a 4th and 46.

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32 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Dec 23, 2018 - 4:28pm

2017 Eagles: doing gods work beating the pats in sb
2018 Eagles: doing satans work giving pats a bye

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34 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Dec 23, 2018 - 5:06pm

Now the Texans have rallied to take the lead, but they've left an awful lot of time left for the Eagles, who need only a FG.

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33 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Dec 23, 2018 - 4:31pm

Josh Allen is very bad at passing.

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35 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Dec 23, 2018 - 5:21pm

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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36 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Cheesehead_Canuck // Dec 23, 2018 - 5:23pm

FFS you had one job, Houston.

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37 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Dec 23, 2018 - 5:24pm

Packers score a TD to go up by 1, but the two-point attempt is run back the other way... But there's a penalty. Too bad, that would be an incredible way for a game to be decided. Even better would be if the Packers then recovered the onside kick and went on to win the game anyway.

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38 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Dec 23, 2018 - 5:50pm

This Jets-Packers game is pretty great for a contest between two teams well outside of playoff contention.

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39 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Dec 23, 2018 - 6:25pm

Texans WRs are cursed. Ironman Demaryius Thomas tore his achilles on a non-contact play.

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40 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Dec 23, 2018 - 7:53pm

Steelers have abandoned the run entirely this second half, and hey presto! Marching up and down the field.

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41 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by RickD // Dec 23, 2018 - 8:26pm

Tomlin calls for a fake punt with 4 minutes left and a 4 point lead. Steelers end up a yard short.

Romo loves the "guts" of the play call.

I can see loving the play call for the entertainment value. But it's a terrible decision.

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42 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Anger...rising // Dec 23, 2018 - 8:31pm

Am I hallucinating, or did Pittsburgh clearly tip that ball? And no booth review.

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44 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Dec 23, 2018 - 8:39pm

Which ball?

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45 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Anger...rising // Dec 23, 2018 - 8:43pm

The pass on fourth down. It was tipped at the line, which should've negated the call.

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46 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by vrao81 // Dec 23, 2018 - 9:00pm

Steelers go from AFC north leaders to out of the playoff picture. Ouch!

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51 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Dec 23, 2018 - 10:06pm

Just thinking, how awesome would it have been to see this Chiefs offence against the 2014 Seahawks?

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53 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Pen // Dec 24, 2018 - 1:43am

idk, that Broncos offense was historic. This Chiefs team didn't score nearly as many points as that Denver team did.

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47 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Dec 23, 2018 - 9:27pm

Why is the field in Seattle grey? Aren't fields usually green?

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49 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Raiderjoe // Dec 23, 2018 - 10:04pm

Thwy like it to lpok dismal there

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48 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Cheesehead_Canuck // Dec 23, 2018 - 9:36pm

So much still happening in the AFC playoff picture.
What game do they flex to SNF? Seems like Titans-Colts or Vikings-Bears makes the most sense but Bears may have nothing to play for by kickoff while the other match is likely a win and in scenario.

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50 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Raiderjoe // Dec 23, 2018 - 10:05pm

Totans va volrs is best one which and that has been nbc's pick

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52 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Raiderjoe // Dec 23, 2018 - 10:09pm

Would be nixe if Browns lay egg next week
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Imagine all Steelers gonna be wearinf elf clothes and getting all hot for Baker Mayfield. Next week favorite QB for Steelers fans will be Mayfield
A love affair liek no other

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55 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Anger...rising // Dec 24, 2018 - 9:24pm

Positively love it every time someone picks up a "downed" punt. Way to be on the ball.

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56 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Dec 24, 2018 - 10:13pm

Raiders #69 is named Good, which is a synonym for nice.

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57 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Dec 24, 2018 - 10:37pm

Obviously it doesn't really matter anymore, but losing to the Raiders would be pretty terrible for a team still ranked 7th in DVOA. If they do lose, what a bizarre six game sequence it will be for Denver. Victories over two strong teams in Pittsburgh and the Chargers, a win over the Bengals... Then three straight losses to the 49ers, Browns, and Raiders?? Strange.

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58 Re: Week 16 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Dec 24, 2018 - 11:41pm

To be fair to Jason Witten, I've grown to appreciate him more over the course of the season. His delivery is still bland and lacks eloquence, but he clearly understands the game, and is capable of timely, non-obvious insight in breaking down plays.

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