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Week 3 Open Game Discussion

The last time the Cleveland Browns won a regular season game, Myles Garrett was still playing at Texas A&M. Together they have a chance to win again, hosting the Jets on Thursday night. Use this thread to discuss that game and all the weekend's action, up to the Steelers-Buccaneers contest on Monday night.

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167 comments, Last at 24 Sep 2018, 10:56pm

6 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by aces4me // Sep 20, 2018 - 10:28pm

6 minutes left in the first half and crickets here :). Taylor getting a lot of heat from the fans but his O-line is a hot mess.

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by Cheesehead_Canuck // Sep 20, 2018 - 9:49pm

Baker Mayfield time!

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by deus01 // Sep 20, 2018 - 10:12pm

I've never seen people get so excited about a drive that resulted in a field goal...

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by aces4me // Sep 20, 2018 - 10:21pm

Vast improvement over all the previous drives in that game.

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by aces4me // Sep 20, 2018 - 10:22pm

double post

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by Jose21crisis // Sep 20, 2018 - 10:26pm

Well, before Tyrod left, the Browns had more punts than completed passes if memory serves right. The Browns' offense seems a tad better now. If that will pull out a win ... well, still 1.5 quarters to see.

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7 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Sep 20, 2018 - 11:12pm

Can't help but think the Browns would be 2-0 if they had gone to Mayfield from the start.

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by herewegobrowniesherewego // Sep 21, 2018 - 12:06am

Hard to say. As easy as it is to point the finger at Tyrod---and no question he will hopefully never see the field again this year--he didn't really lose the Saints game.

And the best QB play in the Hue era has come with inserting a QB in the middle of the game whom the other team didn't spend the week planning for, i.e. the times Hogan stepped in last year. Baker was amazing overall tonigh, but was especially good at the start when he seemed to catch the Jets off guard.

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9 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Noah Arkadia // Sep 21, 2018 - 12:04pm

Mayfield killed it, congratulations, Browns fans. Something good has finally happened to you guys. Of course, the downside is now Hue won't get fired.

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by OldFox // Sep 21, 2018 - 2:11pm

That is indeed a big downside. But if I've got to choose between having both Hue and Baker, or having neither of them, I'll take Hue and Baker.

Make that Baker and Hue. Baker deserves to be mentioned first.

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by herewegobrowniesherewego // Sep 21, 2018 - 5:19pm

Agree that they likely almost have to come as a package deal; indeed, Baker appears to be one of the end results of a 76ers-style tank that Hue and friends has commandeered, but unlike Sam Hinkie and some of the other Browns brass, might not be separable from his stars.

Baker can also directly be traced to the Carson Wentz megatrade, which had looked worse and worse with Corey Coleman flopping, Njoku at times looking like so, and, until the past few weeks, it looking like Jabrill Peppers would flop, but allowed for 0-16.

The Baker/Hue combo is going to end up replacing the LeBron/Tyronn Lue combo, and being very similar.

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12 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Theo // Sep 22, 2018 - 3:17am

Did anyone notice that the Saints were happily blocking Myles Garrett with a fullback, instead of a lineman.
The Jets had no problem blocking Garrett with a TE. On the goal line touchdown, Garrett was outside the offensive tackle - he easily took a hook step and blocked him inside.
On another goal line run, Garrett ran outside as if it were a pass rush, being blocked upfield, leaving an enormous gap for the linebacker to fill.
All in all, I have to say Myles Garrett doesn't impress me.

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13 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Noah Arkadia // Sep 22, 2018 - 11:36am

During the game I was hoping they would show a replay of some of those runs to the left because someone or someones on that defense was sucking hard. I thought it was the linebackers, as I couldn't believe it would be Garrett, but from what you're saying...

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14 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by ChrisLong // Sep 22, 2018 - 12:09pm

Yes on one of the TD runs the tackle took a pass set and Garrett showed little discipline in screaming upfield looking for a sack, leaving a huge hole for Crowell to run through untouched. Garrett showed a lot of skill in some of his pass rushes, but got duped or beaten on many runs.

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15 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Theo // Sep 23, 2018 - 12:42am

In one series with a lot of left side runs he was off the field though - someone else was playing Right End.

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by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 23, 2018 - 1:09pm

Also, I wouldn't dismiss the possibility that Garrett was doing exactly what he was instructed on those plays. I didn't actually get to watch any of them, but it's hard to tell with a sane D-coordinator, let alone Gregg Williams

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16 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by JoeyHarringtonReigns // Sep 23, 2018 - 1:03pm

Upset picks for me: Cinci over Carolia; Denver over Baltimore
Sidebar: My fantasy teams go winless again. The upshot being injuries are a bitch.

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18 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by GwillyGecko // Sep 23, 2018 - 1:17pm

minnesota in trouble early. buffalo up 7-0 and just recovered kirk cousins fumble in redzone.

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by Cythammer // Sep 23, 2018 - 1:22pm

Bills up 10-0 on the Vikings?? I doubt that will hold up, but still, considering Arizona has only managed to score 6 points total through two games, I'd say it's likely Buffalo isn't actually the worst team in the league.

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by GwillyGecko // Sep 23, 2018 - 1:26pm

anothwer fumble by kirk cousins recoverd by the bills at the minnesota 25!!!

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by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 23, 2018 - 1:54pm

Ouch.

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by GwillyGecko // Sep 23, 2018 - 1:27pm

17-0 bills after vikings leave a wr wide open for a td on the right sideline

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by Mike B. In Va // Sep 23, 2018 - 3:03pm

TE, but, yeah. They look more like themselves in the 2nd half.

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by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 23, 2018 - 1:27pm

I live in Broncos country, and I absolutely despise the networks' assumption that I would rather watch other AFC West teams than just the best football game. I've never met anyone else who did either. I hate that almost as much as I hate getting the fucking Cowboys (and stupid Aikman, goes without saying) every week in the late game spot. Looks like I'm done after the early games this week. Why do the networks hate people watching them so much

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by xydux // Sep 23, 2018 - 1:32pm

Agreed. That's only true at the end of the year; at the start of the year, show us the best football.

In fairness to Fox this week, pretty much every matchup they have in the early games looks good on paper. The only exception (I'd say) is Giants/Texans.

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24 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by xydux // Sep 23, 2018 - 1:33pm

Okay, in the first four drives in the Broncos-Ravens game, here are the results:

Punt (blocked, sets Denver up inside the 10)
TD (6-yard run on the first play of the drive)
TD (Ravens shred the Denver defense)
TD (Denver has a decent drive and then hand it to Sanders on an end-around)

On top of that, Buffalo is beating Minnesota by (checks) three scores, in Minnesota, and the Giants look like they're running the ball decently in Houston. Is this just one of those weeks where every game in the NFL goes weird?

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25 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Sep 23, 2018 - 1:40pm

The way this Bills game is going Vontae Davis is going to be unretiring at halftime.

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56 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by justanothersteve // Sep 23, 2018 - 4:14pm

+1

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59 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Pen // Sep 23, 2018 - 4:26pm

+1

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78 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by alljack // Sep 23, 2018 - 6:49pm

Game, set, and match to Cythammer!

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by GwillyGecko // Sep 23, 2018 - 1:44pm

17-0 buffalo end q1, buffalo first and goal at min 5 to start q2

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27 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by jtr // Sep 23, 2018 - 1:46pm

Giants have been leaving their #2 TE to block JJ Watt 1-on-1 a lot in pass protection in the first half. Hasn't really burned them yet, which is surprising. I guess Watt isn't back into prime form yet, because the Watt of a few years ago would have disemboweled Eli Manning against that assignment.

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37 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by jtr // Sep 23, 2018 - 3:04pm

Since I posted this Watt has made some plays, mostly against the RT subbed in for Flowers.

Poor Barkley is definitely in that Barry Sanders situation, where he makes superhuman play after superhuman play just to get back to the line of scrimmage and get tackled for short gain. He'd be Gurley/Bell/Elliot tier on a better team.

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by jtr // Sep 23, 2018 - 3:20pm

Now three sacks for Watt, all working on the backup RT, who barely touched Watt on any of them. Give him some help!

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by stoste // Sep 23, 2018 - 7:51pm

O-line still looks like an issue for the G-Men but Eli handled the pressure better today. Solder and Hernandez were having problems double-teaming Clowney, at times, who continues to blow hot and cold as a pass rusher. When he puts it all together he looks a monster but other times he looks very unrefined and trying to 'out-athlete' whoever he's up against. On 2 of Watt's sacks he was coming from the other side and about to make a play.

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154 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by jtr // Sep 24, 2018 - 7:47am

It looks to me like the Giants line is mostly fine at every position except right tackle, which is brutally weak and maybe bad enough to sink the team if they continue to refuse to give help over there. All they did this week was replace notorious turnstile Flowers with unknown turnstile Wheeler. Flowers probably wouldn't have played Watt any better than Wheeler, but he also couldn't have really played him any worse. It's pretty bad coaching to come into this game with no plans to give help to a backup tackle matched up against one of the game's best pass rushers, and then refuse to adapt all game to help the poor guy out. Maybe they can develop a tackle-eligible package with Wheeler and Flowers both on the right side and see if between the two of them, they can at least get slow down pass rushers a little bit on their way to Eli.

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by Cythammer // Sep 23, 2018 - 1:57pm

24-0 Bills with 12 to play in the 2nd. It's honestly hard to even imagine a scoreline more shocking than that. Maybe it's just a reminder that it's Week 3 and we can't be sure yet how good or bad any of these teams are.

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by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 23, 2018 - 2:30pm

Schatz is looking really good with his upset watch in Washington

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38 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Sep 23, 2018 - 3:14pm

I assume someone on the Bills staff has taken hostages. There’s no other reasonable explanation.

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by GwillyGecko // Sep 23, 2018 - 1:59pm

24-0 buffalo!

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by GwillyGecko // Sep 23, 2018 - 2:12pm

27-0 buffalo!

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32 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 23, 2018 - 2:28pm

Dammit Bills. There goes my Loser League season

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34 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Sep 23, 2018 - 2:34pm

5 possessions, 5 touchdowns for the Chiefs

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35 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Sep 23, 2018 - 2:38pm

Aside from the Redskins and Bills game, the Texans being down by 14 to the Giants is also a surprise. This season has got to be such a big disappointment for Texans fans so far considering how much excitement there was around DeShaun Watson. I wonder if Bill O'Brien will be end up getting fired if this season doesn't get turned around.

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by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Sep 23, 2018 - 3:20pm

Eric Ebron has turned back into Eric Ebron

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48 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 23, 2018 - 3:45pm

Geez, you should never draft a TE in the first round. Look at the next seven! players taken after Ebron in 2014. I looked as far back as 2007 when Greg Olson was picked (by Chicago) to find a "good" pick of a TE. Eifert wasn't bad in 2013 I guess, and I'm not judging the THREE TEs taken in the first round of 2017.

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by Steve in WI // Sep 23, 2018 - 5:01pm

Wouldn’t Gronkowski have been worth a first round pick?

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41 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Cheesehead_Canuck // Sep 23, 2018 - 3:29pm

The worst roughing the passer call yet has been made against Clay Matthews again after a textbook clean sack on Smith. Get your shit together, NFL.

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42 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Tim R // Sep 23, 2018 - 3:31pm

The new roughing rules are insane. Not sure how much safer a sack can be than that.

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44 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Sep 23, 2018 - 3:33pm

I suppose the only option would to make an arm tackle instead of driving your weight into the QB.

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by RickD // Sep 23, 2018 - 11:27pm

And yet it's against the rule.

The rule is stupid. The NFL is run by decapitated chickens who don't think through the consequences of what they are doing.
Why did they think it was a good idea to write a rule preventing pass rushers from landing on top of the people they were trying to tackle? It's such an ill-conceived concept!

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155 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by jtr // Sep 24, 2018 - 8:05am

It feels right now like any given sack has just a random chance of being flagged for roughing. Given the headless chicken style of management, I thing the NFL will probably swing the pendulum all the way the other way by halfway through the season given the fan backlash. It'll be just like the helmet rule, where the referees quietly stopped calling it at the end of the preseason when the league realized they were pissing off the fans.

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43 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Sep 23, 2018 - 3:32pm

While I agree the rule is dumb Matthews looked like he deliberately let his weight drive into Smith on the sack. They've been calling that consistently so it's not surprising he was flagged there too.

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by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 23, 2018 - 3:49pm

They have NOT been calling that consistently. Look at all the sacks without a flag that are no different than this.

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by alljack // Sep 23, 2018 - 6:54pm

. . calling that consistently, . . . Ahah, ahahaha, ahahahahaha.

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86 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Sep 23, 2018 - 7:58pm

If you look carefully without cheese-colored glasses you'd see that Matthews left his feet and came straight down on Smith's chest during the tackle. Could have ended in broken ribs or a sternum injury.
If he had come in waist high with feet on the ground it would never have been called. Believe it or not, the rule is designed to protect Aaron Rodgers and his twice broken collarbone more than the Alex Smith's of this world.

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87 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Cogitus // Sep 23, 2018 - 8:15pm

Congratulations, you are the only person who watches football lame enough to agree with the NFL's new rules

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by LionInAZ // Sep 23, 2018 - 8:54pm

There's more than enough guys out there who love to see players get injuries.

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by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 23, 2018 - 8:59pm

He could have been nicer about it, but do you seriously think that hit is unusually likely to cause an injury?

The rule isn't going to prevent those kind of hits anyway, because it's not physically possible to prevent those hits. I hate using a cliche, but the only solution to this "problem" (that I don't agree exists) is flag football. And that may well even have merit, but I'm not going there.

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by LionInAZ // Sep 23, 2018 - 9:55pm

There have been complaints about every rule change that reduced dangerous hits. I bet there were complaints that banning headslaps would ruin the game. My opinion is that only people who love violence complain. To me, football is about more than violent hits. Don't like that? Tough nuts.

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107 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:09pm

Okay, but again, do you seriously believe this rule is decreasing injuries?

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109 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:11pm

How does anyone know after only three games into the season?

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58 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Bearsclone // Sep 23, 2018 - 4:21pm

I'm sure most people still remember the "Calvin Johnson no-catch" and how, even though the call was completely correct by the rule book, the NFL ended up changing the rule in the offseason because the result was so egregiously different from what the average fan expected seeing it with the naked eyeball. That was ONE play.

Well, the NFL has about 3-5 plays per week now where game changing, exciting defensive plays are being overturned AND turned into major offensive plays, because of this idiotic "body weight" rule and the league's enforcement of it.

This has GOT to change, immediately. It's so offensive to see this happening over and over, and they're altering game outcomes and ruining the excitement and fairness of the game.

Clay Matthews and the Packers have been the biggest victims so far, but every team is going to get bitten by this multiple times eventually. No one likes this rule. Stop. It.

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45 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Cheesehead_Canuck // Sep 23, 2018 - 3:40pm

Eventually defensive players will dirty hit guys because they’re getting flagged anyway, so...

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by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 23, 2018 - 3:54pm

I don't think that is a realistic possibility, but I take your point. I'm surprised there hasn't been a play where the defender pulls up before completing the tackle and thereby lets the QB escape to throw a pass, like happened to one of the Giants linemen a few years ago, I don't remember who the QB was

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by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Sep 23, 2018 - 4:51pm

Tavon Austin just got horsecollared on a tackle that started out of bounds, directly in front a ref. Who looked at it and just signaled for the clock to start.

Apparently we're only protecting QBs.

We're about a week away from entire rosters changing their number over to a QB number to make it illegal for them to be tackled or blocked.

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46 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Purds // Sep 23, 2018 - 3:43pm

Ugh. I’m not sure how many times the Eagles are going to get bailed out on this final drive against the Colts. They have given them so many calls, about half of them are legit but half of them are ticky-tacky.

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47 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Purds // Sep 23, 2018 - 3:45pm

Five calls against the Colts

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by Purds // Sep 23, 2018 - 4:04pm

And they pick up the head to head contact call against the Philly D

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by Purds // Sep 23, 2018 - 4:08pm

And, what a shock, another call for the Eagles on the last punt.

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53 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Purds // Sep 23, 2018 - 4:08pm

Wait, make that two calls for the Eagles on that same play

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54 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 23, 2018 - 4:10pm

Flacco runs with ball, falls down on own inbounds, then randomly flips ball on the ground in celebration. Broncos do not pick up ball and return it, refs do not call fumble. What a sloppy, boring game.

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by Bill Walshs Holy Ghost // Sep 23, 2018 - 4:11pm

Chiefs SHREDDED Niners in first half. Niners start to mount furious comeback. Jimmy G injures his knee and CJ Beathard comes in next play to throw TD. EXCEPT for worst offensive PI call I’ve seen. Niners are shooting themslves in the foot, 147 yards of penalties so far, but this is ridiculous. Oh, Jimmy G taken on cart to locker room. Season might be done today.

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57 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Sep 23, 2018 - 4:19pm

Just two weeks ago the Jets were 1. in DVOA. Now, with the Dolphins at 3-0 and the Bills crushing a Super Bowl contender on the road the Jets could be fairly ranked as the worst team in the AFC East. At best, third.

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by mehllageman56 // Sep 23, 2018 - 5:06pm

If the Pats lose today to Detroit, they end up ranked worst in AFC East.

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by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 23, 2018 - 4:29pm

If anyone is looking for something to do rather than watch the Cowboys and Aikman, might I recommend reading the best superhero story ever written? It's called Worm (warning: this story is very, very long, like 1.5+ million words. I've read it through three times, and I never finished in less than a month. There is also a very good audio book for it, if that's your thing). It was published serially but it's complete. Or the in-progress serials The Gods are Bastards or A Practical Guide to Evil, which are also excellent!

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61 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Steve B // Sep 23, 2018 - 4:35pm

Wasn't KC the talk of the league this time last year? Alex Smith for MVP and all that?

What they're doing doesn't look sustainable. Their offense WILL regress somewhat as the weather changes and their defense has allowed 92 points so far.

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62 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Sep 23, 2018 - 4:42pm

The offense was great all year. Ended the season 4th in DVOA. The problem, just like now, was the terrible defense (I believe they were 30th). I think the question this year is which one regresses more, the defense or the offense. The two units are at such extremes right now that's there's got to be some movement toward the middle from both.

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63 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Steve B // Sep 23, 2018 - 4:47pm

Right, I don't think they'll fall off a cliff (unless something happens to Mahommes), but slip enough that they lose some games say 35-28.

With the bad news on Garrapolo, the Rams may have the NFC West wrapped up by Halloween.

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65 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Pen // Sep 23, 2018 - 4:53pm

Refs for all intents and purposes steal 3 pts from Seattle by overturning the interception based upon nothing at all. Video review confirmed that yes, it was in fact an interception but now, due to some bizarre NFL rule the return does not count.

Only in NFL universe does it not matter if they get the call right. It would be one thing if calling it incomplete had impacted the play, but the initial call during the play was an interception and that was only overturned after the play so the play should have stood.

Seattle went three and out and punted, but should have had the ball at Dallas 28 and a chance to kick a FG.

NFL rules have become idiotic to the extreme.

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67 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Steve in WI // Sep 23, 2018 - 5:04pm

I’m so tired of all of the Bears fans screaming that they should have drafted Mahomes over Trubisky based on a tiny sample size.

It would sure be nice if Trubisky wasn’t actively working to prove their point for them, though...

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by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 23, 2018 - 7:19pm

They're probably not wrong though

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69 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Pen // Sep 23, 2018 - 5:11pm

As if to accentuate how idiotic the NFL rules are nowadays, earlier Wilson got sacked and it was a textbook tackle. Roughing the passer was called. Just now, Barkevious Mingo grabs Zak Prescott and triple somersault body slams him into the ground. Prescott is very slow to get back up and probably should be checked for a concussion. I'm surprised the turf wasn't ripped wide open or a dent in the earth.
No penalty.

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by Pen // Sep 23, 2018 - 5:23pm

Prescott with all the time in the world and can't make a play. There's hardly any pass rush whatsoever outside of that one Mingo sack. Yet his rating right now is 0.0 with a 0.6 ypa.

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71 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Steve in WI // Sep 23, 2018 - 5:45pm

I’m really tired of seeing Matt Nagy look confused and unprepared. On 4th and goal from the 2, he seems to want to go for it (which I like). The play clock winds down and he calls a timeout. The Bears come out to go for it and Arizona very predictably calls a timeout of their own. Does he dial up a different look? Go with the same play? Nope, he decides to kick a 20-yard field goal. WTF?

Right now the Bears are getting the ball back with 1:35 left. Think that timeout he wasted might be useful?

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by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Sep 23, 2018 - 6:34pm

Was he a Pats coordinator in another life?

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76 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Sep 23, 2018 - 6:34pm

Was he a Pats coordinator in another life?

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by justanothersteve // Sep 23, 2018 - 8:46pm

At the risk of stating the obvious, he did apprentice with Andy Reid

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by MaineRaider // Sep 23, 2018 - 5:53pm

The way the Raiders are blowing late-game opportunities and leads, they should consider playing in San Diego next year while Las Vegas gets ready.

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by Raiderfan // Sep 23, 2018 - 6:13pm

+1...sadly.

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by BJR // Sep 23, 2018 - 6:20pm

Rams offence looking dominant. But both Marcus Peters and now Talib have now left the game, potentially big blows.

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by Cythammer // Sep 23, 2018 - 6:35pm

Chargers kick from the 8 down by 15 very early in the 4th. I know it's 8 yards out, but I think you gotta go for it there. You still need two TD even after the FG and, probably more importantly, you haven't been stopping the Rams much so you should be thinking you'll need TDs on every drive if you want to win.

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83 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by stoste // Sep 23, 2018 - 7:27pm

Completely agree. Would love to know the game winning odds before and after that kick, with the possible outcomes but with how the game had been flowing to that point, it didn't look like FGs were going to cut it.

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84 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Sep 23, 2018 - 7:34pm

That was a simply inexcusable blunder. Naturally the announcers were fully behind the coach's decision.

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by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Sep 23, 2018 - 6:52pm

How long can Tennessee keep up this 2000 Ravens impersonation?

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81 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 23, 2018 - 7:16pm

There's a regular old roughing the QB call that would always have been roughing for the past 20 years, and here's Aikman and Buck jumping on the "bad calls" storyline. Fucking hacks.

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88 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Cogitus // Sep 23, 2018 - 8:18pm

Yeah I thought that call wasn't that out of the ordinary either. They just seem to parrot whatever attitude is trendy or popular and cannot see things objectively (which also goes for Goodell)

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134 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Cogitus // Sep 23, 2018 - 11:24pm

Yeah I thought that call wasn't that out of the ordinary either. They just seem to parrot whatever attitude is trendy or popular and cannot see things objectively (which also goes for Goodell)

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89 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Cheesehead_Canuck // Sep 23, 2018 - 8:39pm

4th and inches, moving the ball well, but kick the FG. Patricia of all people should know that’s why teams lose to the Patriots.

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91 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Sep 23, 2018 - 8:47pm

Why is LaGarrette Blount trying to do a spin move 2 yards in front of defender? Just run over him!

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92 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Raiderfan // Sep 23, 2018 - 8:49pm

Yeah, but He knows better than just about anyone the Pats D sucks so he maybe thinks he can afford to pass up the chance, because there will plenty more.

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97 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Sep 23, 2018 - 8:56pm

Like what just happened.

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93 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 23, 2018 - 8:53pm

So did they ever fix the "fumble out the side of the end zone = touchback for the other team for some reason" rules problem this offseason?

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95 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Sep 23, 2018 - 8:56pm

Don't think so. Is it actually a problem?

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99 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 23, 2018 - 9:04pm

Yes. A turnover and automatic 20-yard penalty is outrageous for a mistake of that magnitude. The offense should retain possession where the ball was fumbled from. Or SOMETHING.

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101 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Sep 23, 2018 - 9:06pm

How do you know it's always a mistake?

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102 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 23, 2018 - 9:12pm

That's not the point, the rule makes a mountain out of a molehill

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103 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Sep 23, 2018 - 9:13pm

The best would be (At least on my view) that a fumble out of the end zone is returned to the original line of scrimmage, and a down is lost. Offense keeps possession (Unless it is 4th), but they are penalized for fumble in that scenario.

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156 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by dbt // Sep 24, 2018 - 4:00pm

I think that it is. If you fumble the ball from the 2 to the 1 and it goes out of bounds, you keep the ball at the two. If it goes one more yard and bumps the pylon, it's a turnover and a touchback. I think that's stupid.

It kinda made sense under the old, more soccer/rugby-ish rule where you always got the ball where it went out of bounds, because what else could you do when the ball goes into the end zone? But now that the rule has been standardized everywhere else, it should stay the same here.

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96 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Sep 23, 2018 - 8:56pm

Nope, one of football's worst rules is still in effect.

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100 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Sep 23, 2018 - 9:04pm

Like no team would ever fumble out of bounds "accidentally" to keep possesion...

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157 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 24, 2018 - 6:49pm

Well, it would probably be easier to not fumble in the first place

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105 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:07pm

I feel angry seeing the Lions owner drinking a gas station bottle of water. I'm *not* a millionaire, yet I have the wherewithal to own and clean reusable nalgene bottles, thus I don't create more trash every fucking time I'm thirsty. Am I being unreasonable about this?

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108 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:09pm

No, but that's what billionaires do.

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111 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:14pm

This would be smarter on every possible level

https://www.nflshop.com/detroit-lions/detroit-lions-18oz-ultra-bottle/t-...

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115 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:25pm

I agree but I don't think owners don't make those kinds of decisions unless they're strongly invested. I think the Ford family has more urgent business than what water is served in the owner's stadium box.

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110 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:13pm

I would say that you probably can't bring a reusable bottle into the stadium but if you're the owner I assume it's possible to get around that.

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106 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:08pm

I don't understand why Diggs didn't put up his left arm when his man got behind him on that TD.

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112 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:14pm

After this week I don't know what to think anymore about what teams are good or not.

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113 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:17pm

The Rams look thoroughly good. Everyone else has been shaky at best.

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114 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:22pm

Yeah that's about the only team I'm pretty sure is actually good.

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118 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:27pm

I think the Chiefs look much better than anyone after 3 games.

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119 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:32pm

Their offense is insane but their defense is poor.

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122 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:37pm

They've beaten better offensive teams than the Rams have.

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117 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by FizzDude // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:27pm

That's easy - the Bills are great! 8^)

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120 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:33pm

If the Bills stop shitting the bed for the rest of the season then Baltimore is going to get a big DVOA bump

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116 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:27pm

If Detroit can run on NE, then NE has a historically-inept run defense.

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121 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:37pm

Wow, an insane rule I hadn't heard of before! The NFL is just full of creative genius. Now throwing a bad pass = intentional grounding? How bad does it have to be, exactly? Is overthrowing by 5 yards legal? 10? What? Can Brady reveal what route he thought the receiver was supposed to run to get the penalty reversed?

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123 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:39pm

I think that was called on Thursday too actually. It seems a bit weird but I guess it makes sense. He was under pressure and there were no receivers anywhere nearby.

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124 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:42pm

There are a dozen plays a game where this goes uncalled, then, if that's the rule. Depending on precisely how close the pass has to be according to the rule, it could include half of all incomplete passes.

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125 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:45pm

Brady was inside the tackle box, there were no receivers anywhere nearby, and he wasn't seriously under pressure. Textbook grounding.

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126 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:49pm

He did miss any potential receiver by 30 yards, on any axis.

Brady looks off. Like disinterested off. Maybe it’s the receivers.

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127 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Sep 23, 2018 - 10:59pm

My point was that "bad" throws can be purposeful.

The Lions defense looks on for once. Brady often looks off when the game looks out of reach.

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133 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by RickD // Sep 23, 2018 - 11:23pm

"and he wasn't seriously under pressure. Textbook grounding."

You need that to be "was' for that to be textbook grounding.

Honestly I don't think Brady was aware of any pressure. Yes, one rusher got close to him just as he was throwing, but I didn't think that was intentional grounding. He didn't throw the ball solely to avoid a sack. He just threw it away and didn't think he was under pressure. Finding a pass rusher on the video tape that wasn't in Brady's view doesn't really change things for me.

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139 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Sep 23, 2018 - 11:37pm

Watching live, I thought if he held it a beat longer the DE was going to get a strip sack.

There was pressure. I think some WR busted a route, but I’m not sure who he was supposed to be passing to, either.

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142 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by morganja // Sep 24, 2018 - 12:03am

I always find it so amusing when the Patriots get called for something that every other player has been getting called for decades, and their fans are all apoplectic and like, "What? That's not even a penalty. When did that start being a penalty?"
About 40 years ago.

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150 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Pen // Sep 24, 2018 - 1:13am

+1
And I'm pretty sure it was more than 40 years ago.

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128 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Rocco // Sep 23, 2018 - 11:01pm

Collinsworth sounds heartbroken at tonight's turn of events.

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135 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by RickD // Sep 23, 2018 - 11:24pm

Hardly.

Collinsworth always seems like he's pulling for the other team, to all fan bases. He was the guy tonight who brought up the possibility that the Pats might be much worse than expected. He didn't sound upset saying that. He sounded impartial.

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141 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Rocco // Sep 24, 2018 - 12:00am

Yes, him saying "there you go" after the Pats stuffed a running play was impartial. He didn't get a chance to give Brady his usual tongue bath and it broke his heart.

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143 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Sep 24, 2018 - 12:13am

I think he's biased in favor of the biggest stars and whatever teams they are playing for. So these days, basically Rodgers and the Packers and Brady and the Patriots.

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129 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Sep 23, 2018 - 11:02pm

I can't stop laughing at this GEICO ad with everything sticking to Stefan Diggs' hands.

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146 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Bobman // Sep 24, 2018 - 12:30am

Hah! Ditto. I think he does a great job of not clowning it up too much.
Aside from that, how does this behavior extrapolate into the rest of his life? How does he eat, or drive or, God forbid, pee? He seems frustrated by it, but neither angry nor surprised. Dude, you just ripped your mailbox off its post like the terminator? How did you get your mail yesterday?
It kills me every time because it's so stupid yet he plays it straight.

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130 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by dank067 // Sep 23, 2018 - 11:16pm

Just 209 yards of offense and 13 first downs for the Patriots tonight - have to think those are lows in the Brady/Belichick era, at least going back to around 01-03

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132 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by RickD // Sep 23, 2018 - 11:20pm

I hope this isn't going to be one of those games where people blame the offense for not moving the ball.

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138 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by dank067 // Sep 23, 2018 - 11:36pm

I'm sure the Pats have had a good number of games over the years where they've been less efficient per-play and committed many more turnovers than tonight - the numbers are just stark for such a historically productive offense. Certainly their defense was miserable tonight and couldn't keep the Lions off the field

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151 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Sep 24, 2018 - 7:05am

The Pats offense ran only 45 plays, which is an extremely low number, especially for a team that was behind in the game throughout and ordinarily plays up tempo regardless. For sure they look deficient at receiver (at least temporarily), and the determination to force-feed Michel was a little confusing, but, overall, the story of the game was that the defense was gashed every which way and could not get off the field.

This was a bad defense last year, and although there are some injuries, it looks as though it may only have gotten worse. It's going to take another MVP effort from Brady to drag this team near the Super Bowl.

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131 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by RickD // Sep 23, 2018 - 11:19pm

The Pats' D needs a hard reboot. The secondary is the best of the three units and they're getting old. Hightower isn't showing the speed we're used to. The line got pushed around all night and left huge holes for the RBs of a mediocre offense.

Things are worse than I thought.

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148 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by TheIdealGrassLaw // Sep 24, 2018 - 12:52am

They haven't had a top 8 defense in a decade. I had hoped the Matt Patricia leaving would help. It hasn't. The first lions punt came in the 4th quarter, with the game largely decided.

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137 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Cogitus // Sep 23, 2018 - 11:28pm

This might have been the weirdest week ever in the NFL. Bills not only cover a 17 point spread but BLOW OUT the Vikings?? The Pats get stomped by a team that the Jets put up 48 pts on in Week 1??

Rams v Chiefs Super Bowl please, those are by far the two best and most entertaining teams out there right now

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140 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Sep 23, 2018 - 11:45pm

Jags losing to the Titans, Texans to the Giants, and the Packers by multiple scores to the Redskins were also big surprises as well. The Bills game is an all time shock, though, especially for how it happened. There wasn't a bunch of fluky turnovers or crazy fumble luck or anything like that. Buffalo just crushed them.

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149 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by TheIdealGrassLaw // Sep 24, 2018 - 1:02am

Bills looked poised for 2-14 after the first two weeks, then tear vikes heads off. Patriots look ready to go 8-8 mainly by virtue of "WOS" - Weakness of Schedule. Miami is undefeated. The Steelers are in 4th place. They can catch up to... the Browns, by winning against Ryan Pickspatrick^H Fitzmagic who's dressing like Connor McGregor and playing like 2007 Brady.

Pandemonium.

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144 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by xydux // Sep 24, 2018 - 12:20am

Let's just put this one down as a weekful of upsets; hey, it happens sometimes. It's unusual, sure, and we saw 5 1/2 (I'm not sure whether the Giants beating the Texans is an upset; speaking of which, would Bucs over Steelers be an upset right now?) over the course of 15 games, but it's bound to happen sometimes.

Next week we'll probably see the Vikings, Packers, and Patriots dominate, and the Bills, Browns, and Giants suck, and we'll assume the NFL is back to normal.

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145 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano // Sep 24, 2018 - 12:22am

I’ve never had the experience of watching my team have a double digit lead for basically the whole game...yet still remain convinced that the other team was going to come back and win. I didn’t relax until the Patriots were stopped on on that 4th and 12 deep in their own territory.

And I’m still not confident that Matt Patricia is a good coach. Not going for it on 4th and inches in the red zone on that first drive was an idiotic decision. If Brady wasn’t so off today, and the Patriots defense wasn’t missing 3 starters, it could have easily come back to bite him.

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152 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Sep 24, 2018 - 7:24am

Yeah I'm not sure what to draw from the Lions last night. Its always a shock when the Pats lose, so the immediate reaction is to search for what went wrong with them. Certainly the Patriots defense looks awful, which allowed Detroit to control the ball in a way they haven't done in a long time. How replicable this is against other, better defenses, I'm unsure.

At least this win earns Patricia some credit, because after week 1 it looked like he was doomed.

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147 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by GwillyGecko // Sep 24, 2018 - 12:32am

haha patriots lose aaron schatz am cry

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153 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by billyjohn // Sep 24, 2018 - 7:30am

I think we can expect abrupt results this week!

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158 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by TomC // Sep 24, 2018 - 8:39pm

Oh poor Chris Conte.

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159 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Tom Tulpa // Sep 24, 2018 - 8:46pm

Ladies & Gentlemen, #23 in the program but #1 in your hearts, the indefensible Chris Conte.

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160 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by jtr // Sep 24, 2018 - 9:11pm

The announcers confirmed that Conte will not return to the game. Makes sense, players usually don't return from being publicly murdered on national television. I hope McDonald sends Conte's mother some really nice flowers.

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163 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Tom Tulpa // Sep 24, 2018 - 9:54pm

They'll re-sign Sabby Piscatelli to take his place.
Still, more fun already than seafaring outlaw fans have had in several seasons. And we'll have a drink straight from the bottle second half and welcome Mad Cap'n Jameis back next week.

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161 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by theoutlawtorn // Sep 24, 2018 - 9:22pm

I'd like to petition the NFL to change the Bucs name to the Fiber Bucs. They have no runs at all.

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162 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Sep 24, 2018 - 9:54pm

The Bucs offense has regressed a lot in this game, but I'm not sure it would make a difference even if they were playing well. Tampa Bay can't stop the Steelers offense at all.

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164 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by justanothersteve // Sep 24, 2018 - 10:18pm

Words I thought I'd never hear: We'll bring in our rules expert, Jeff Triplette." I can barely wait for this commercial to end.

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165 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Sep 24, 2018 - 10:30pm

I'm shocked he actually called the same thing they ruled on the field.

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166 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Sep 24, 2018 - 10:37pm

I don't know why Tampa didn't go for on 4th there. A field goal still keeps it as a three score game and the 3rd quarter is going to be about over by the time they get the ball back, and that's assuming the Steelers dont score.

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167 Re: Week 3 Open Game Discussion

by xydux // Sep 24, 2018 - 10:56pm

Honestly, the expressions on Omar Epps's face are well worth the price of admission.

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