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Week 6 Open Game Discussion

Let's be honest -- the biggest game of the week doesn't hit until Sunday night when the Patriots host the Chiefs. But the action begins Thursday night with the Eagles taking on the Giants in the Meadowlands. Other notable Sunday games include Steelers-Bengals, Bears-Dolphins, Panthers-Washington, and Ravens-Titans. Finally the 49ers travel to Green Bay on Monday night. Use this thread to discuss them all.

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283 comments, Last at 16 Oct 2018, 9:30pm

1 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Oct 11, 2018 - 8:06pm

Aikman in the booth for Giants/Eagles. Joy!

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29 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 11, 2018 - 11:23pm

Aikman and Romo were both Cowboys' QBs. Romo tries to tell you what might happen before the ball is snapped. Aikman can't explain what happened even after the play is over.

Has the game changed so much since Aikman retired that he doesn't see what the offence and defence are trying to do? Or has he just been heavily schooled in the idea that all the viewers want to know is what the QB just did and who ended up with the ball at the end of the play?

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32 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by apk3000 // Oct 12, 2018 - 8:39am

I seem to recall thinking he was pretty okay when he first started in the booth, then I guess the "fans don't want real analysis" folks got to him. I'll wager Romo ends up the same in a few years.

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34 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Oct 12, 2018 - 10:50am

Perhaps, but I suspect there is a certain level of laziness/apathy on his behalf. He's been doing it for years, and Fox aren't firing him any time soon; does he really still have the commitment and enthusiasm to prepare thoroughly every week when he can easily skate by trotting out cliches and simple descriptions of what has just happened?

I've seen this process with announcers across several sports over the years. Hopefully Romo avoids it, but I wouldn't be confident.

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40 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by ChrisS // Oct 12, 2018 - 11:50am

I don't agree. When asked about the best teams in the NFL Aikman sagaciously picked the Rams and Chiefs. That insight is not something one can glean by just looking at the standings, it takes great analysis and pouring over game tape and statistics. (sarcasm alert)

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52 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by RobotBoy // Oct 12, 2018 - 8:53pm

Didn't he retire because of concussions?

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58 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Oct 13, 2018 - 10:14am

You can’t detect diminished capacity in Troy. The tests can’t accommodate baselines that low.

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73 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 2:32pm

I looked it up. He had 10(!!!!!!!!!!) concussions THAT WE KNOW ABOUT

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228 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by RobotBoy // Oct 14, 2018 - 11:35pm

Given the NFL of that era what's the over/under: 50?

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282 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Theo // Oct 16, 2018 - 11:22am

He played college too. So make it 75.

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35 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Oct 12, 2018 - 11:07am

Aikman went 1-15 before Norv arrived to dumb the system down for him. He played with an All-Pro O-line, a HOF WR, a HOF RB, and the best TE of his era. It's possible Troy actually can't diagnose plays.

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47 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Oct 12, 2018 - 6:23pm

Or there is a clause in his contract that prohibits him from appearing smarter than Buck.

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37 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Eddo // Oct 12, 2018 - 11:10am

If you have Amazon Prime Video (I'm like 75% sure this just comes with any Prime subscription), you can switch over to the Hannah Storm / Andrea Kremer feed.

Storm and Kremer still need practice and experience (Storm especially, as you can tell she hasn't done play-by-play much before this), and the fact they are calling the game from a studio without knowing what replays are going to be shown is a minor problem, but their broadcast is much, much better than having to listen to Buck and Aikman.

(In the Amazon Prime player, there's an option for "languages" or "subtitles" or something like that, and along with Spanish, they list "Storm / Kremer" as an audio feed you can choose.)

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41 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Pat // Oct 12, 2018 - 12:16pm

Half the reason it's nicer, though, is that they just talk less. Which is soooo much nicer.

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2 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 11, 2018 - 8:31pm

Welp, that was pretty quick. Tipped (Forced) pass turns into INT, and 3 plays later TD Eagles.

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3 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 11, 2018 - 8:37pm

I've been a Kamu Grugier-Hill fan ever since seeing him boot touchbacks on kickoffs when the Eagles kicker was hurt. Awesome to see him do well at his regular position, but he could possibly hack it as an NFL placekicker too.

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4 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 11, 2018 - 9:11pm

The Eagles seem to be following the Bills' school to beat opponents. Just convert turnover into points and punt every other time. The Giants are just punting or turning the ball over.

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5 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 11, 2018 - 9:13pm

Geez Saquon! He made so many moves just to get 9 yards

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6 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Oct 11, 2018 - 9:16pm

Maybe the Giants need a new QB?

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9 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 11, 2018 - 9:28pm

Someone behind Eli would (Definitely) work. Also, 5 guys in front that resemble an actual offensive line unit instead of the porous line the Giants have now.

EDIT: 35% of the time is Eli being inaccurate, 35% of the time is the receivers being bad, 30% of the time is the line allowing everyone to get a nice, comfy spot in the backfield right besides Manning.

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7 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 11, 2018 - 9:17pm

I'm looking at the CBS afternoon broadcast map for this week… look at the blackout area for "Denver." It includes northwestern corner of Colorado, a desolate area that's a nine hour drive from the stadium. It includes portions of northeastern Nebraska, and even NORTHERN WYOMING, also six to ten hours away by car. Who figures this stuff out?

And oddly (but thankfully), the blackout area does not include Colorado Springs, which is 45 mins to an hour away

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31 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jerry // Oct 12, 2018 - 6:48am

It may have to do with where stations are actually located. If there's no CBS affiliate in desolate northwestern Colorado, they probably just pick up the blacked-out Denver station.

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45 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 12, 2018 - 5:09pm

This is an excellent point I didn't think of. I sent a friend living out that way a text to ask about it, but I do know that Grand Junction has a Fox affiliate with local studios and everything…

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48 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Oct 12, 2018 - 6:27pm

Isn't the desolate NW corner of Colorado mostly BLM land anyway? Dinosaur National Monument?

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56 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 13, 2018 - 1:29am

Exactly. Beautiful and empty. Craig is a real-sized town though that isn't far away.

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8 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 11, 2018 - 9:26pm

Well, that's a way to avoid the "O-Line can't run block" part. Run a screen pass with Barkley and let him roll. Pretty much every Eagles defender that tried to tackle him went flying.

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10 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Raiderfan // Oct 11, 2018 - 9:34pm

Clearly the Giants plan is to have the ball either to go to Barkley or have EM drop back so often that there are many opportunities to draw a roughing the passer penalty.

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11 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 11, 2018 - 9:40pm

Alternatively, forcing the ball to OBJ. That will result in a pick, a deflection, and rarely a completion.

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12 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Oct 11, 2018 - 9:46pm

Like it or not, these defensive linemen ought to know by now that hurling the QB to the ground like that is going to draw a flag every single time. Just flat-out dumb play.

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13 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Oct 11, 2018 - 9:50pm

Giants are a mess of a franchise. Hard not to see how they are going to be awful for a large portion of Saquon's prime, which makes that terrible pick even worse.

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14 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 11, 2018 - 9:58pm

Barry Sanders 2.0, now on New York.

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25 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 11, 2018 - 11:02pm

Start of Q4, down by 21, Giants need some big plays (and a prayer, but bear with me).

With their current personnel, including O-Line versus this Eagles defence, what gives the Giants the best chance to make those big plays? Standard NFL drop back and pass catch up tactics, or hand the ball off to Barkley 3 times and hope he breaks another long run?

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15 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 11, 2018 - 9:59pm

In Buck and Aikman's world, going for it on 4th down is some kind of weird thing the Eagles alone do. They clearly don't understand anything about it

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17 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Oct 11, 2018 - 10:19pm

I mean in this instance I just about agreed with them. Up 15 against a dysfunctional offense, the low variance approach is probably correct. But no doubt they would have recommended the field goal had the Eagles been down 15, or indeed whatever the game situation.

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16 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Oct 11, 2018 - 10:05pm

A lot of Wentz's passes look off. High and wobbly. He's still great at extending plays, and has created a couple of huge plays by doing so tonight. But this level of inaccuracy is going to hurt the Eagles against more competent opposition.

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18 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 11, 2018 - 10:27pm

So Barkley's name is pronounced SAY-kwon? Not SAH-kwon?

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21 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 11, 2018 - 10:37pm

At least the spanish announcers here pronounce it as SAH-kwon. And I'm pretty sure it is SAH-kwon.

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33 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by ChrisLong // Oct 12, 2018 - 9:24am

I’ve always heard SAY-quon

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36 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Oct 12, 2018 - 11:09am

It's SAY-kwon.

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38 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Eddo // Oct 12, 2018 - 11:11am

Yes. Storm and Kremer were also pronouncing it SAY-kwon. I did not know that before this week.

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44 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Raiderjoe // Oct 12, 2018 - 3:33pm

yesm, Saquon rhymes with Raekwon like the Miami Dolphins linebacker or guy from Wu-Tang Clan

my fave rap alubms all time-
Raekwon- "Only Built 4 Cuban Linx..."
OutKast- "Aquemini"
Goodie Mob- "Soul Food"
Wu-Tang Clan- "Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)"
Nas- "Illmatic"

whiel at it-
some of fave pro footbal books=,
The Pro Football Chronicle
The Pro Style (ahve multiple copies)
Out of Their League
America's Game
The Super '70s
The New Thinking Man's Guide to Pro Football
last team Standing (book about Steagles)
Building a Champion
Pigskin
One Knee Equals Two Feet
The Game That Was

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46 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 12, 2018 - 5:19pm

Favorite rap albums of all time (off the top of my head):

Atmosphere - Lucy Ford
Pete Rock & CL Smooth - Mecca and the Soul Brother
DJ Abilities - …for Persons with DJ Abilities
Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow
Deltron 3030
OutKast- Aquemini
Enter the Wu-Tang

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51 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Oct 12, 2018 - 7:19pm

RaiderJoe - - Wu-Tang Clan Fan -- was not a reality I expected to encounter.

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53 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by RobotBoy // Oct 12, 2018 - 10:28pm

'Raider Joe'? With that straight-up East Coast 'Best of' list it should be 'Traitor Joe'. No ride or die Oaktown OG would go Old School without Too Short, Tupac and Shock G. Don't flash that Biggie T at the tailgate if you want to 'enjoy' the last six home games the Black Hole will ever host.
Great albums though. I really believe the first ODB record is the unacknowledged Wu masterpiece. Gang Starr and Eric B would have to be on my list too, Ultramagnetic MCs, Prince Paul...so many choices from the golden age.
Haven't read any of the books you recommend so they're going on the Christmas list.

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54 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Raiderjoe // Oct 12, 2018 - 11:18pm

am not form California. From NJ. Mets are fave baseball team. Football is different. way it is televised and short season. baseball harder to be fan of team outside of your home area.

am fan of 2Pac, though. one of top 3 fave rappers, just can't get any of his albums into my top 5. actually like the Makaveli one the most

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19 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 11, 2018 - 10:30pm

So, this became a 4 possession game. There is still 25 minutes to play ... but this feels like it's over right about now unless the Eagles catastrophically collapse, Falcons-style. Of course, I might have jinxed the Eagles with that so ...

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22 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 11, 2018 - 10:42pm

Well ... First the Barkley highlight run, then an Alec Ogletree forced fumble ... what have I done ...

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20 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Oct 11, 2018 - 10:37pm

Didn't seem like there was any need for OBJ to catch that third down completion with just one hand. Could've easily reached out with his other hand as well and made a safer catch.

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43 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 12, 2018 - 12:41pm

There will be a play where OBJ will try to one hand a catch that could be fairly easy to catch with two hands, the ball will go off his hand and into the hands of a defender (Bonus points if it is a pass over the middle and/or a lineman picks it off) and he should be the one guilty for that pick.

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23 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 11, 2018 - 10:47pm

I truly wonder why D. Coordinators get all cute and run Zone Blitzes, specially when they linemen are not the best in pass coverage.

In other news, the Giants don't work on 3rd down.

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24 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 11, 2018 - 10:55pm

Are you referring to the Eagles' 3rd-and-9 conversion after the not-lost-fumble followed by the 3rd-and-14 conversion after the sack towards the end of Q3? Those were two brutal plays for the Giants when they still had a (slim) chance to get back in this.

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26 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 11, 2018 - 11:07pm

That's a bad look. Giants coverage man just wandered past the Eagles returner after he waived for a fair catch. He wasn't even still in the TV screen when the returner dropped the punt, let alone in position to try and grab it.

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27 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 11, 2018 - 11:11pm

We COULD possibly be headed for OT. But only if the Giants D gets plenty 3 and outs and the Giants O gets 3 TDs in 10 minutes. Which doesn't seem possible for this Giants team.

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30 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 11, 2018 - 11:24pm

At least they went for it on 4th down and didn't try to get to overtime with 7 Q4 field goals.

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28 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 11, 2018 - 11:15pm

Huh ... seems the plan to comeback is checking down to Barkley .

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39 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Boots Day // Oct 12, 2018 - 11:37am

There's really no point in having Odell Beckham on the team if Eli can't throw the ball more than five yards down the field.

It's not even accurate to call all those little screens over the middle checkdowns, because that implies that Eli looked somewhere else first before checking down to his running back. But he clearly knew he had no hope of throwing the ball downfield with any accuracy. God, he's terrible.

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42 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 12, 2018 - 12:20pm

The Giants offense seems to come down to 3 tactics: Give it to Barkley, Pass it to Barkley or Check it down to Barkley. Everything else seems to fail. Hell, they are using the strategy I though the Cowboys were going to use through the season, give it 40-50 times to the running back.

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49 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by justanothersteve // Oct 12, 2018 - 6:33pm

I just checked the Sunday schedule on 506 Sports to check what games are on locally. Is this NFL stupid schedule week? I mean, who the *%&# scheduled a London game between two West Coast teams? I can see it being in Mexico if they wanted an international game for Seattle/Oakland. But scheduling it in London is insane. I know London games are low on the players' union priority list, but I'm already worried about fatigue injuries happening because of the travel stress.

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50 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Raiderjoe // Oct 12, 2018 - 6:38pm

They get followinf week off so no probelm really

Not big fsn of London ganes in general.

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57 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Oct 13, 2018 - 7:07am

I think your concerns are way overblown. These are world class athletes, travelling and staying in luxury, with team of staff and specialists dedicated to looking after them. They get a week off afterwards. Plenty of athletes in other sports fly across the world week after week to compete all the time.

So, yeah, it's probably not ideal for the players, but I'm really not concerned about them breaking apart because of it. I know player safety is the topic of the day, but for me this falls under 'you're very well paid, get on with it'.

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59 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Oct 13, 2018 - 4:14pm

It seems unlikely to me that a mild increase in fatigue would make injuries more likely in the already very dangerous sport of football. Football is dangerous because it involves large, fast men hitting each other with great force. Is that danger really significantly increased if the players are more tired? I can see it lowering the quality of the game, but increasing the chance of injuries sounds doubtful.

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55 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 13, 2018 - 1:27am

Picks! All are probably wrong, but if I cared about being right I'd have every game Away Team 20 Home Team 23

Bucs 27 falcs 34
Chargets 24 bronws 20
Colts 20 jets 21
Seahawks 25 raides 13
Pantser 22 squirrels 19
Bills 6 texans 27
Cards 21 vikes 38
Steelers 21 bengals 27
Bears 28 dolphisn 13
Ramsn 48 brobcos 24
Ravens 17 titans 12
Jags 44 cowboys 22
Chiefs 55 oats 35
49eda 16 packers 22

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60 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by ChrisLong // Oct 14, 2018 - 11:40am

Bucs 28 falcs 34
Chargets 14 bronws 17
Colts 20 jets 13
Seahawks 26 raides 20
Pantser 24 squirrels 27
Bills 0 texans 20
Cards 14 vikes 24
Steelers 31 bengals 27
Bears 13 dolphisn 10
Ramsn 26 brobcos 28
Ravens 13 titans 16
Jags 17 cowboys 23
Chiefs 35 oats 30
49eda 14 packers 38

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61 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 1:07pm

That was interesting. Not only it wasn't just a QB Sneak, it was a freaking QB Dive. Sadly, it didn't count. Good thing the Steelers are FINALLY running sneaks though. In other news, freaking Vance McDonald cannot be brought down.

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62 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 1:41pm

You know, it is becoming more common for the Steelers to use more under-center formations. It looks weird, because I'm used to seeing the Steelers run 90% Shotgun formations. It has worked. In other news, the Steelers starting LBs can't cover the pass.

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63 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 1:43pm

Wow, wow, wow. Ben actually caught his own pass. It was for no gain (He just fell down at the LOS, to prevent fumbling or getting hit), but it was funny as hell anyway.

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64 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by jtr // Oct 14, 2018 - 1:52pm

Two turnovers in two offensive plays for the Jets. Darnold tries a deep sideline throw that really isn't open. Puts a lot of air under it and leaves it short, which is a bad combination. Malik Hooker comes over from centerfield to pick it off and return it all the way to Darnold, who at least cleans up his own mess with a shoestring tackle. Next drive, first play is a middle screen to Enunwa, who rumbles for a few yards before a Colts linebacker chops the ball out of his hands. Fortunately for the Jets, the Colts settled for two red zone field goals, or this game would have blown up.

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65 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 2:03pm

Tomlin ... Ryan Switzer was CLEARLY short of the 1st down marker by about 1 to 2 inches. There is no reason to challenge that other than punting away a timeout. Unless you are planning to QB Sneak it on 4th and need time to think about it, there was no reason to do that.

In others, was that Jordan Berry punt? That was way too far to be from Jordan Berry.

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66 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Steve in WI // Oct 14, 2018 - 2:08pm

So Trubisky finds Taylor Gabriel along the sideline for a 47-yard pass (good throw, better catch). Finally something good from him. Then on the next play he overthrows Jordan Howard on a checkdown.

I know people were downplaying his 6 TD game two weeks ago because his receivers were so wide open, but I’m very concerned about how badly he’s missing open receivers today.

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67 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 2:12pm

It is somewhat worrying that your QB is not very accurate on deep passes, but it's not the end of the world. It is very worrying if your QB overthrows a checkdown or a screen. That was what I expected out of Josh Allen, but I expected Trubisky to be A-Ok

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68 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 2:14pm

Geez. All day to throw for Ben, enough for him to direct his receivers. And it is World of Tight Ends, because Vance McDonald and Jesse James are having a good day.

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69 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 2:23pm

So, Big Ben tried to go over the top to Brown to the endzone. He was held by Kirkpatrick, with no flag because of reasons. Next time they try, it is Ben to JuJu (Who wasn't held) and it works. No TD, but it is at the 1, which could mean Conner plunge time.

Correction: MEANS Conner plunge time. Also, Chris Boswell has TWO straight converted extra points.

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70 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 2:25pm

All right ... the Chargers-Browns game looks a bit more of a blowout than I though. Is Phillip Rivers having a good day?

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71 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 2:28pm

The Browns CONTINUE to be hosed by the refs! When will it end? Russell Okung false starts by an easy ½ second, and the Browns D possibly lets up expecting a penalty that never comes. Rivers treats it like a free play, and Williams smokes Denzel Ward for a TD for the 2nd time this quarter

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72 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 2:29pm

Leaving Tyler Boyd alone is NOT a good defensive strategy. What was Artie Burns doing 10 yards off?

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76 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by SlevinKelevra // Oct 14, 2018 - 2:43pm

tanking the play ?

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74 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 14, 2018 - 2:33pm

Halftime, and the Panthers are only four 60 yard field goals away from topping Washington.

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75 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 2:37pm

Seahawks-Raiders is going exactly was expected as it would go. The Raiders doing nothing and the Seahawks winning. And Josh Allen has 45 passing yards .... uhhh ... is that ok? I'm not miss reading that? I knew he was bad, but that bad?

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77 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Oct 14, 2018 - 2:44pm

Utterly brutal series from Pittsburgh to end the half. They score a TD with ~45 seconds left, then concede a long punt return, with a tacked on penalty for illegal formation, before playing prevent defense all the way into the end zone to allow the Bengals the easiest TD imaginable. Bad look for Tomlin and co.

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78 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 2:49pm

T.J. Watt jumps offsides on 3rd and 8. Followed by T.J. Watt making a tackle for loss on 3rd and 3. And he lost his helmet too.

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79 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Oct 14, 2018 - 2:51pm

Oh for goodness sake! Marvin Lewis just punted on 4th & 1 from the Steelers 40 yard line. They just went down the field for a TD in 30 seconds right before halftime. I thought this kind of garbage was being rooted out?

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80 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by SlevinKelevra // Oct 14, 2018 - 2:55pm

nice forearm shiver by Burfict.

should be a $500k fine and the rest of the season.

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81 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 2:57pm

Brown is getting tackled to the ground, and Burfict, being the dick he is, shoulder rams him in the head like in the 2015 playoffs (Was it the 2015 playoffs right?).

EDIT: Wait, what is Brown doing on the field. Wouldn't he be in concussion protocol for that hit?

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82 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:02pm

GRRRR .... Boswell kicks a 20 yard FG. Why, when you are so close to the goal line, you send the FG unit? Just QB Sneak it, either you score or give the opponent the ball at the half inch line.

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83 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Steve in WI // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:04pm

So the Bears have scored 21 points in the 3rd quarter after being shut out in the first half. I’m really happy to see them leading 21-10, but the obvious question is why wasn’t the offense playing more like this in the first half?

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84 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:07pm

Miami is becoming the lead specialist in blowing half time leads.

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85 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:10pm

With Osweiler in for Tannehill it was probably always too much to hope for to expect that lead to hold up.

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89 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:18pm

Halftime adjustments?

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86 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:14pm

Ridiculous but slightly funny play in Bills-Texans. Chris Ivory is literally dragged down by his hair. The defender had hold of nothing but what appeared to be one long coil of hair, but that was enough to get him down from behind. With short hair Ivory would certainly have escaped.

One play later Peterman throws for a TD to give the Bills a lead. I have no idea why Peterman is even in at QB.

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by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:18pm

Because they realized Josh Allen is better as a running back than as quarterback unless their opponent is Minnesota? Then again, Peterman is a master in interception throwing so ... there you go.

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92 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:21pm

It happens from time to time and is perfectly legal. Last time I saw it happen the refs incorrectly called it a horse-collar.

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95 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by xydux // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:31pm

Allen tweaked his elbow, so they had to go to the backup.

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87 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:15pm

Hmmm ... WiFi ain't lit today. Ben to Brown is pretty much off today. Everyone else is coming up big though (Specially McDonald and James. And Conner. And the Defense as an unit), so that's helpful.

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88 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:17pm

If current scores hold up and the Patriots lose tonight the entire AFC East will be 3-3.

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91 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:20pm

Chargers keeping doing end-arounds, Browns keep failing to stop them. At least three of them on just this one drive for big gains. 35-6 Chargers. Gregg Williams must be an idiot.

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108 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by herewegobrowniesherewego // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:53pm

Today has been a disaster, but on balance GW has been more good than bad since he came here.

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121 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:13pm

Perhaps, but getting by the same play repeatedly is a failure of imagination.

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93 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:28pm

The Steelers front is EATING! That's 3 sacks today.

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94 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:30pm

Wait what? The Bills are going to win again??

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96 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:31pm

Not possible. That's a glitch in the matrix, no way this Bills team can win more than 4 games, let alone 2 in a row.

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97 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:32pm

https://deadspin.com/no-flags-thrown-after-helmet-to-helmet-hit-on-amari...

The NFL is the stupidest organization. Helmet-to-helmet hits were supposed to be emphasized, but instead they did the exact opposite, by allowing more dangerous hits than ever before. Instead, we got the random emphasis on sacks being illegal. How the fuck did we get from there to here? Why does the NFL always destroy their own products?

The NFL is a macrocosm of the NY Giants benching Eli and then doubling down on Eli suddenly for no reason.

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98 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:32pm

https://deadspin.com/no-flags-thrown-after-helmet-to-helmet-hit-on-amari...

The NFL is the stupidest organization. Helmet-to-helmet hits were supposed to be emphasized, but instead they did the exact opposite, by allowing more dangerous hits than ever before. Instead, we got the random emphasis on sacks being illegal. How the fuck did we get from there to here? Why does the NFL always destroy their own products?

The NFL is a macrocosm of the NY Giants benching Eli and then doubling down on Eli suddenly for no reason.

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99 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:34pm

I haven't watched all of this Texans-Bills game, but Houston seemed to be dominating in the first half. They were up 10-0 with a chance for more until Watson threw a pick into the endzone. Now they are in very serious danger of losing. Peterman even picked up a third and fifteen. Texans will get it back with 4 minutes left though.

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100 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:34pm

Ok, I really though the Raiders were bad. But not "Getting Shut out on 4th quarters" bad.

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117 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:06pm

You needn't have worried. The obligatory "field goal so I wasn't shut out" soon follows.

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101 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:42pm

So, stopped at the 7 yard line, 4th and 2, up by 3, Tomlin elects to bring up the field goal unit. They go up by 6. Would have it been more effective to go for it, with the chance of taking a 10 point lead or not getting nothing but allowing the Bengals offense to focus on possibly getting a FG to tie it up?

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104 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by xydux // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:50pm

I want the Steelers to lose and enjoyed that decision. That should give you a pretty good idea of my opinion on the subject.

(Time in the game matters too. In the 3rd quarter or earlier, I'm inclined to kick the field goal. In the 4th quarter, I'd go for it.)

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102 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:49pm

The Bills force a fumble on Watson, but can't recover it for what would've been an almost game clinching play. A few plays later Houston gets pass interference in the endzone. But they lose yards on two rushes, take a penalty, and then throw incomplete on third down. The win probability in this game must be swinging around pretty wildly these last few minutes. Buffalo has time to drive for the win, but of course their QB is Peterman...

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106 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by mathesond // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:52pm

Hehehe

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108 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by xydux // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:53pm

And Peterman throws the game-clinching pick-six. You called it.

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159 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:41pm

He’s a scorpion.

It’s in his nature.

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173 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by jtr // Oct 14, 2018 - 6:27pm

Peterman started running toward the sideline to try to cut off the interception return almost as soon as he released the ball. Even he expects his shit to get picked off at this point.

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236 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by dryheat // Oct 15, 2018 - 8:19am

He's a late-career Matt Schaub, without the good early-career.

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237 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by jtr // Oct 15, 2018 - 8:32am

Somehow Matt Schaub is still around, playing backup QB for Atlanta. His pick-six apocalypse season was all the way back in 2013, when he was only 32 even though he felt like he was 40 at the time. I guess he'll stick around as a Josh McCown style veteran mentor type for a while now, since there's no level of incompetence that NFL coaches won't excuse (Nathan Peterman!) so long as you fit in with their rigid notions of exactly what a quarterback is supposed to look like.

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238 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jerry // Oct 15, 2018 - 8:47am

He even completed a pass to himself in the Steeler game a couple weeks ago.

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241 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by jtr // Oct 15, 2018 - 9:09am

Take a moment to savor Peterman's career stats:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PeteNa00.htm

He's thrown 9 picks in 79 career attempts, good for one on 11.4% of his passes. His completion percentage is only 44.3%, and an anemic 4.3 ypa. All of that combines for -.3 ANY/A!

The only good thing going for him is a below-average 4.8% sack percentage, because he prefers to just blindly lob it over the middle rather than take a sack.

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255 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Dan // Oct 15, 2018 - 7:04pm

10 picks in 82 career attempts, including the playoffs.

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256 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 15, 2018 - 8:34pm

Did you mean "Scorpio?"

For some reason Nathan "the Scorpion" Peterman has a great ring to it

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103 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:49pm

I have this feeling that the Bengals will score, the Steelers will try to drive and Ben will throw a pick just because he's Ben.

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105 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:51pm

Nathan peterson with the game-winning pick-6!!!!!

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107 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:52pm

Peterman throws a pick-six. On the bright side, it happened so fast that the Bills still have some time left to drive for a TD!

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111 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by xydux // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:54pm

It also happened fast enough that he can throw another one (or two, or three...) and make it look like the Texans won comfortably.

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113 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by mathesond // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:56pm

Hehehe!

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110 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:53pm

AJ Green keeps lining up in the slot, and Keith Butler keeps calling plays that don't put Joe Haden in man coverage with him.

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112 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:56pm

Yep, there we go. Bengals scored. And I will be terrified if Boswell HAS to kick the game winning FG simply due to his record so far. Then again, last season he kicked a game winner against the Bengals, but still.

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114 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Oct 14, 2018 - 3:56pm

Wow, there are so many games still hanging in the balance right now.

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115 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:03pm

So far through the drive, Big Ben has been off, off and off. Then he lasers one over the middle to JuJu so the Steelers are on FG range.

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116 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:04pm

Doesn't matter, Ben to Brown over the middle for what's possibly the game winner TD.

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122 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:15pm

Need to see a replay to confirm, but live it sure looked like a "we know our opponents" call.

Brown runs directly to where the middle linebacker would be, except the middle linebacker is charging straight ahead on a blitz. Slot receiver rubs out Brown's defender and Brown rumbles straight up the middle of the field for the game winning TD.

Like I said, maybe I mis-saw the play, as my station won't show a replay t confirm. But watching live it looked like a call that couldn't possibly have worked unless the Steelers knew the Bengals would blitz the middle linebacker in that situation.

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125 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:22pm

According to Behind the Steel Curtain, it was a RPO play. My guess was that, if it was an RPO, the Mike was the read. If he dropped back in coverage, Conner took the handoff (Assuming I'm right, it fits Tomlin's late game MO which is going for the Field Goal). If he blitzed, he throws the slant to AB. In that case, the Mike blitzed so Ben threw it to Brown. And the safeties were no where to be seen so he hand nothing but green grass and the endzone in front. If that hypothesis is right, then it was a great call.

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by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 15, 2018 - 8:59am

Thanks! That makes sense.

So a good call and a good read by Roethlisberger.

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118 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:08pm

Um, Bengals. You blitz the middle linebacker on a play where Pittsburgh needs a big gain?

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120 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:12pm

I was looking at the replay, the Steelers had a stack on the left. Brown ran a slant, and Hunter was lead blocking for the first moments so that Brown could get yardage. My guessing of what the Steelers hoped to do was a) Because Tomlin prefers playing for the FG, they wanted to get the ball closer so that the pressure on Boswell was lower and b) Burn some time. The fact that the Bengals decided to blitz instead of playing deep coverage (Which I what I expected they would play) killed them.

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161 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:47pm

Finally saw a replay. Didn't pick up on first viewing that Pittsburgh was already in reasonable field goal range.

Bengals blitz makes more sense in that context.

At the same time, sure looked like either Pittsburgh was expecting that exact blitz, either by play design or Roethlisberger reading it pre-snap, as that throw is all kinds of dangerous if the Bengals defender (Burfict?) doesn't charge forward as soon as the ball is snapped.

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164 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:56pm

Probably an RPO, with the blitz making Roethlisberger throw it to Brown. Had they not blitzed, he gives it to Conner.

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119 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Steve in WI // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:09pm

Matt Nagy is a moron. His supposedly great defense can’t stop anything and he takes a knee with 34 seconds left and timeouts in his pocket to play for overtime. Of course the Dolphins win the toss.

I don’t know why I watch this garbage or why I get my hopes up every time they fire everybody and start over. Can’t wait until the next rebuild in 2021 when they bring in the next GM and coach who’ll draft the wrong QB!

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124 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:16pm

They should have used the timeout before the punt, when they'd have nearly a minute to get to FG range

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123 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:16pm

Ok, as my stress levels drop back to normal after that Steelers GWD (Hot sure if something can top that one, although I have not seen any other game), time to watch Rams vs. Broncos. It should be a Rams win. Should, not will because .... Case Keenum?

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127 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:23pm

Inches away from the goal line the Dolphins fumble and lose the ball on third down. I would've liked them just to do a QB sneak. Those are usually unstoppable.

EDIT: What are the rules on whether a recovered fumble is a touchback or not? Because that ball seemed to be right on the goal line, but definitely not completely in.

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126 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:23pm

Is 6'7" Brock Osweiler incapable of falling forward a few inches on a sneak?

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128 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Steve in WI // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:27pm

Why the hell is Matt Nagy playing for a 50 yard field goal here?

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129 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:30pm

Not sure how good the running game has been all day, but they did get down there in the first place by rushing. I don't think any of those rushing calls were terrible.

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132 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Steve in WI // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:35pm

Right, but once they were near field goal range the defense changed their approach. I don’t have a problem with running if it’s the best way to try to move the ball; I have a problem with settling for a 53 yard field goal try.

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130 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by xydux // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:32pm

128 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion
by Steve in WI // Oct 14, 2018 - 2:27pm
Why the hell is Matt Nagy playing for a 50 yard field goal here?

119 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion
by Steve in WI // Oct 14, 2018 - 2:09pm
Matt Nagy is a moron.

I think you answered your own question upthread.

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131 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:33pm

Not sure, but as predictable it was no good.

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162 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Rocco // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:48pm

Every coach thinks their kicker is Justin Tucker.

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133 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:38pm

And that 53 yard FG comes back to bit Matt Nagy, as it gives Miami great field position, which helps them line up for the game winning 47 yard FG try, which is good. Game's over, 31-28 Miami. And, sadly, no tie.

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134 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:43pm

The refs blow ANOTHER replay! What the flying fuck is going on? The refs call back an Emanuel Sanders touchdown that really was indisputably a touchdown (and was called so on the field). They decided it was down at thr 1 and they'd given him a taunting penalty, so instead of a touchdown, it's first and 10 from rhe 16 and ended in a FG.

The NFL is becoming unwatchable.

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135 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:46pm

Well, the DB that was close touched his facemask, which is (Apparently. I think it is dumb but ....) enough to be considered "Down by contact". Just like that time Mike Hilton "Downed by contact" Mike Evans, despite making NO attempt at hitting him and Evan actually nailing him with a leg in the chest while coming down with the ball.

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140 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:56pm

If that counts as a tackle, it should count as a facemask penalty

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142 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by TimK // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:02pm

The touch on the face mask was before he was down though, and contact was lost before he was down.

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137 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:47pm

It looked like he was contacted before he slid into the end zone. It's pretty brutal having that Personal Foul enforced after that though, like a double penalty against the Broncos.

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139 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:54pm

And the announcer rubs it in by saying "the broncos can't afford to settle for field goals" ASSHOLE

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141 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by TimK // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:01pm

I can understand a touch that knocks someone over counting for a tackle even if you don’t hold on as a playing falls down. But an incidental grazing touch, before the player is down, when the player is going down to catch the ball - how does that count? By that reckoning if you break an arm tackle, run into open field, and then slip you would be considered down by contact... the contact surely has to either bring you down, or be when you are down to count as downing or tackling someone. Sigh.

Broncos are certainly not a particularly good team this year, but they and the Browns seem to be losing out on a lot of these odd calls with tiny touches or inches in it.

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144 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:03pm

That play is probably not going to matter anyway since the OLine can't stop holding

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145 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:06pm

It's like the NFL took the "technically correct is the best kind of correct" meme to heart. It's not the best kind! That's why it was a joke in the first place!

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148 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:09pm

They should give every NFL referee a bureaucrat grade

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150 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:12pm

Awesome. I'm for it

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146 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:07pm

I think it's better this way because if you changed the rules you would have to rely on the referees to make judgement calls as what counts as merely a grazing touch and what is enough for a player to be down. The fewer subjective calls there are the better.

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147 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:08pm

There was a similar play in the Bucs-Steelers game (Although I might be confusing the actual play, but something similar happened). Fitzpatrick connected with Mike Evans, who fell down making the catch. Mike Hilton was in the area and didn't look like he touched him Evans stood up and walked into the endzone. The Refs review. Apparently, Evans nailed Hilton in the pads. That was enough to be considered Evans to be "Downed by contact". As a Steelers fan, I was happy because it nullified the TD, but I was pissed because no one made an attempt at tackling Evans, and the fact that it wasn't a TD was simply BS.

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136 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:47pm

That Dolphins-Bears game was nuts. Obviously missing a game winning FG attempt was the biggest failure for the Bears, but they also had a 21-13 lead with 12 minutes left in the game and the ball at the Miami 3. But that turned into a pick and Miami went down the field to tie it up.

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138 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 4:50pm

Something must be wrong with the Jaguars. The Cowboys are beating them 10-0 so far.

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143 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:03pm

So, 21 minutes in the game, there are like 6 penalties already. 2nd and 30 for the Broncos after 2 holding calls. That should tell you something about how scary is the Rams front.

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149 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:10pm

And how bad the Broncos OL is. I didn't remember that Bolles was a 1st round pick! Damn you can't waste premium resources like that

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151 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Tom Tulpa // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:14pm

I watched Bucs-Falcons so y'all didn't have to. You can fast forward through this purse swinging contest between two 4-12 teams, but stop to admire the last play of the game, the Bucs latest entry in the Stupidest Play Call Of All Time hall of fame. Seven seconds left, no time outs, ball at the Falcons 20, six excellent pass catchers on the roster, the lead blow-ingest franchise lined up across from center, designed run to James Winston, followed by fumblerooski insanity. Fire everybody right in the parking lot, shouldn't even let Dirk Koetter back on the team flight. Make him take an Lyft if he wants a ride back to Tampa.

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155 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:28pm

First of all, Why not trying to isolate DJax over the middle? Second, Why running when there is a chance to run a quick route to the sidelines to get even closer? Third, WHY A QB RUN?!

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153 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:23pm

As expected, the Ravens are beating the Titans, and it isn't close so far

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152 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:19pm

Well, look at that. Pretty much every single interior Rams lineman fell over Goff on that sack. Surprising that wasn't called Roughing the Passer. (I'm actually surprised I haven't seen one so far. Then again, I actually just saw 4 sacks so far in the 2 games I've seen)

In other news, the Rams came close to one upping the Colts fake punt (You know the one), but remembered to NOT snap the ball. And the Cowboys are winning against the Jags, 17-0. Is it because of the Cowboys offense being good (Which is probable if they allow Dak to run) or the Jags D finally regressing? All I know is that it is Bortles' fault.

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154 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:23pm

Their rookie WR Gallup made a few really nice plays despite being well covered. Prescott has looked terrible other than a nice run

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156 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:30pm

Stupid play calling for the Broncos on that 4th and 3. Why you call a play that would convert a 3rd and 15 instead of a short pass?

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157 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:33pm

Sanders was open so it's not that bad as long as there was also a shorter option.

It would help if Keenum didn't airmail it 10 yard past the receiver.

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158 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:39pm

So, did the Jaguars though that Dak Prescott was not going to run the ball? There has been a meltdown so far for them.

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160 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:42pm

Embarrassing half of football from Jacksonville.

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163 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:51pm

Todd "Girly" Gurley

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165 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 5:59pm

I wonder, was that a great pass to Keenum or Demarius Thomas adjusting to the pass? Considering Keenum's accuracy, it could have been both

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166 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Will Allen // Oct 14, 2018 - 6:05pm

Looking at the D.C./Panthers play by play, Adrian Peterson had an extremely productive
, efficient, day. I wonder what kind of defensive alignments the Panther were using.

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168 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 6:12pm

I wonder what Jay Grudenis doing to be successful with veterans who looked done elsewhere. Vernon Davis, now Peterson…

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171 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Will Allen // Oct 14, 2018 - 6:15pm

I think he is a pretty good coach, considering the deadweight owner he has to drag around.

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167 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Oct 14, 2018 - 6:06pm

This is why I wish the NFL would have a more balanced slate between the late and early games. None of the three games going on right now are competitive.

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169 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 6:13pm

After so many games came down to the end in the early slate nobody could watch them all…

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170 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 6:14pm

Admitedly, the Broncos-Rams and Titans-Ravens games are not looking competitive so far, and I don't expect that to change. What I did not expect, however, was the Jaguars-Cowboys game a) Not being competitive and b) The Cowboys actually having the lead. Doesn't help that nearly every Jags drive has consisted of 3 and outs.

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172 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 6:26pm

Well, how about that. Case Keenum turned into Rams case Keenum and threw a pick. Then Jared Goff throws on 3rd and 6, the pass bounces off of the receiver and gets picked off. That could put the Broncos back in the game. That is, if they stop killing themselves with penalties.

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174 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 6:51pm

The announcers are PRAISING Keenum for throwing a pass 5 yards over the head of his receiver, for "putting it where only his guy could catch it".

Can we go ahead and fire every announcer besides Romo please?

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177 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Oct 14, 2018 - 7:03pm

I believe that's putting it where no one can get it.

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179 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 7:08pm

Wasn't that Tim Tebow's strategy to not throw interceptions? Have horrible accuracy so that no one could catch the ball?

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175 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 6:57pm

The Rams O-Line is awesome, and Todd Gurley is also awesome. He has over 200 yards already.

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by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 7:03pm

After six games, I feel like the Broncos would be better if they had taken Josh Rosen instead of Bradley Chubb.

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194 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cogitus // Oct 14, 2018 - 8:11pm

At least they didnt pick Josh ALlen

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178 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Oct 14, 2018 - 7:06pm

The problem with kicking a field goal to make it a 'one score game' is that it only stays a one score game if you can prevent the other team from scoring again.

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by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 7:29pm

Exactly. Vance Joseph is managing how bad the loss is, instead of trying to win (or tie!)

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180 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Raiderfan // Oct 14, 2018 - 7:10pm

Whoever the colour guy is for the Rams game is making Aikman sound intelligent.

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181 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Oct 14, 2018 - 7:21pm

The annoucer in the Denver game doesn't even seem to know that Denver had to make an onside kick and if they failed the Rams would be in victory formation.

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182 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by stoste // Oct 14, 2018 - 7:22pm

Impressed with the Rams today. These are the kinds of games you need to win late in the year and they showed they can grind it out when the passing game isn't working. Gurley is an absolute monster.

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184 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Oct 14, 2018 - 7:29pm

Tennessee offense today: 15 passing attempts, 14 rushing attempts, 11 sacks against. LOL.

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186 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 7:34pm

11 sacks because the O-Line is bad, or 11 sacks because Mariota started Roethlisbergering?

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188 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Oct 14, 2018 - 7:49pm

Wasn't studying closely enough to tell for sure, but eight different players registered a sack, so it wasn't a case of one particular mismatch along the line. Even in the most dire circumstance there is usually something that can be done to prevent the QB being killed every other play; whether that is on the Tennessee coaches for failing to adjust, or Mariota for failing to execute, I am not sure.

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190 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 14, 2018 - 7:52pm

I thought Mariota was a scrambling QB? Is it possible he's still not 100% recovered from last year's injury?

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185 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Oct 14, 2018 - 7:34pm

The Texans almost had a horrible loss to the Bills at home today, but instead the day turned out incredibly well for them. Everyone else in the division loses and their chief rivals, the Titans and Jags, both were absolutely terrible. Suddenly the Texans look like they might be favorites for the division even after their 0-3 start.

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192 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 14, 2018 - 8:08pm

Two OT wins and a Nathan Peterman gift win = number one team in the AFC South.

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187 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 7:39pm

I really wish the NBC pregame show would stick to highlights of the day's games. I really don't care about their interviews with whatever QB is playing, and I certainly don't want to see what they consider "analysis"

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by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 7:50pm

If there is an advantage to not watching the games in the US, is that the commentators and analysts tend to stick to showing highlights (Mainly TDs or turnovers), while analyzing a particularly good play (Eg. the Ben to AB game winning TD on the Steelers-Bengals game). The disadvantage is that I only get Fox and ESPN. Although Fox does get to show CBS games, and ESPN gets to show SNF, they don't get their commentators, so I don't get to hear Tony Romo.

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by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 8:01pm

Dak Prescott = Blake Bortles

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195 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 8:22pm

There are Jaguars fans that knew this year would suck when the Jags extended Bortles. Thing is, you don't know which Bortles you are going to get Any Given Sunday. You could have Bad Bortles, Good Bortles or Terrible Bortles. The defense did carry them around, but having so many 3 and outs will put your defense on the field more, which means there are more chances that the opponents score. Reminds me of last year's Steelers-Jaguars game when Big Ben got picked off 5 times. There is no way a defense can hold off any offense with so many turnovers.

Dak's problems are: the fact that play calling is not great most of the time, he is NOT accurate (About as accurate as Bortles), and his receivers are meh (Despite what they might tell you). Letting him run and letting Zeke run is very helpful. They simply can't use a scheme that fits an accurate QB like Tony Romo, with an inaccurate QB like Dak Prescott.

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193 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 14, 2018 - 8:10pm

Woah. Just saw the abbreviated highlights and final score of the Jags - Cowboys game.

That couldn't all be Bortles.

So, now Dallas is … good?

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by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 8:25pm

I kind of want to put the blame on him, since he simply couldn't keep the offense on the field. His receivers didn't help either.

I'd say Dallas could be turning good. They gave the ball to Zeke, and kept running with Dak, which helped the pass.

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by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 8:28pm

Hey, Bill Belichick returned to his more aggressive self, going for it on 4th and 2 from the KC 41. Sadly, it didn't work (Can't tell if Brady was off or Gordon ran the route wrong) but it was nice to see someone take those chances.

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198 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 14, 2018 - 8:46pm

Two throws that series Brown EDIT: Gordon seemed not to know what Brady was doing / expected from him. Earlier there was a completion between them.

A bit of growing pains. Maybe the preseason work between receivers and QBs can be helpful.

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by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 8:50pm

Welp, Mahomes tries to rocket launch it over the middle, but fails to notice Dont'a Hightower, who picks off the ball.

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200 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 14, 2018 - 8:54pm

Hightower just completed the slowest player hurdle move I've ever seen in professional sports.

Mahomes should be very happy Hightower chose to "jump" over him instead of stepping on him.

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by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 14, 2018 - 9:03pm

Patriots blitzed well there, forcing an errant throw and the FG attempt.

Enjoy it while it lasts. I'm guessing within the next couple of years, blitzing Mahomes will be a losing proposition more often than not (if it isn't already).

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203 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by sbond101 // Oct 14, 2018 - 9:57pm

I don't know about that - I haven't seen a ton of Mahomes (this half + parts of other games) - but what I have seen is Mahomes makes throwing way off balance when he's pressured and getting some poor decisions & off target throws out of it. He threw two picks that were horrendous decisions in this half because of blitz packages. He has also made three bad throws and one great throw while he's been escaping - that might get you on the highlight reel a lot, but it's generally losing football. Maybe Mahomes can learn great decision making and kill blitz packages the way Aaron Rogers does with that great combination of athleticism & and off-balance arm, but I don't see any reason to believe he'll get there so far.

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by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 15, 2018 - 9:19am

You could be right. Though at this stage in his career Rogers was still riding the pines, so hard to compare their relative development at Mahome's current age.

No doubt, Mahomes did seem to get a bit rattled by pressure last night. Still, he seems like a smart player, and there's no doubting his physical abilities. Once he gets the experience of another dozen blitzes or so under his belt, he may keep his cool a bit better and more accurately exploit what the defence is giving him.

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202 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 9:30pm

*Facepalms* Tackling a receiver when he doesn't have the ball in his hands is NOT a proper coverage technique, even if the Ravens got away with it last week. That only works against the Browns, not against the Patriots.

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204 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 9:57pm

Man, the Chiefs are pretty much the anti-thesis of the Jaguars, yet they have similar weaknesses. The Jaguars have a strong defense and a decent offense. If the offense struggles, the defense could pick up the slack. But if the offense simply sputters, the defense falls. The Chiefs have a high powered offense and a middling defense. They can beat you in a shoot out when they are firing on all cylinders. But if the offense struggles (Like right now) the defense won't help them at all.

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205 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Oct 14, 2018 - 10:01pm

The Chiefs defense is not middling, it's one of the worst in the league. They are ranked 28th in DVOA and I don't think there's any reason to think that ranking doesn't reflect reality, especially since they were even worse last year.

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206 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 10:02pm

That's a way to start the half. Mahomes extends the play, the Pats coverage breaks down, and Kareem Hunt finds an open area. Mahomes connects with Hunt and he is gone.

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by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 10:25pm

Andy Reid looks a hell of a lot like Mike Holmgren right now. They both have the walrus thing going on

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208 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 10:26pm

Also, I don't believe Danny Shelton is only 345 lb.

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233 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by jtr // Oct 15, 2018 - 7:25am

I still can't believe Cleveland dumped Shelton for a fifth-rounder. There were a couple of years there where Shelton was about the only guy I was worried about when my Steelers played the Browns. And if you're going to ship a good player out of town for no reason, please please please send him anywhere but New England.

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209 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 10:34pm

Every time I see a DB pick off a pass only to drop it before getting possession always makes me shake my head. Sure. DBs don't have as great hands as WRs generally, but when you can get your hands on the ball, you should keep control of it.

In other news, we had the rare case of Tom Brady Roethlisbergering, holding on to the ball for like 10 seconds, then getting sacked, without throwing the ball away. That looked so weird.

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210 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 10:39pm

What ... is that right? Why didn't Andy Reid went for 2 after that TD?! You can even up the game there, but instead allow the Patriots to still have the lead? What if nothing goes right in the 4th quarter and there are no points?!

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213 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 14, 2018 - 10:55pm

I think it was the right call*. It was the end of the 3rd, you don't know what the final scoring dynamic will look like. The only reason to go for two is morale, which has never been an issue for Reid teams

*provided you don't believe in going for two every time in all situations, which is probably valid too for good offenses

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211 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by morganja // Oct 14, 2018 - 10:44pm

Almost the first penalty called on the Patriots at the end of the third quarter. 'Luckily' bailed out by 'holding' that canceled it out.

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212 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 10:55pm

No matter how many guys you just dodged, no matter how close you are to the endzone, you don't slow down when returning a kick with open field in front. Also a clear hold on the play that wasn't called. Appropriate for a day where there have been missed calls all around the league (Including one that could have negated a game winner, and skyrocketed my stress levels).

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214 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by anotherpatsfan // Oct 14, 2018 - 10:59pm

Is it windy there? Is it a strategy to let them return KOs tonight? Gostkowski about 60 percent touchbacks going into tonight. Have not been causing bad field position before that one if the strategy is let them return it, so not sure if that strategy was wise.

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215 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by morganja // Oct 14, 2018 - 11:06pm

Is there any doubt that the refs have this game wrapped up for the Patriots? When is the NFL going to end this travesty? Why don't they just create two leagues. Put the Patriots in one league and always give them a championship. And then let the other teams have actual games decided by the players?

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223 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by GwillyGecko // Oct 14, 2018 - 11:22pm

agree completely

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216 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 11:08pm

Scrambling Tom Brady scores a TD, after someone got in there and missed a sure sack. As an Edge Rusher, you can't miss sacks like that. Specially when your target is a slow as hell, pocket passer.

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by Cheesehead_Canuck // Oct 14, 2018 - 11:15pm

He didn’t really miss it as much as he held off in fear of getting a ticky tacky roughing the passer, which are quite common in Foxboro *without* all the BS we’ve seen this year.

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218 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 11:15pm

You know, this would be a perfect scenario to keep run the ball. Instead, the Pats pass a lot, throw incomplete and give Mahomes a fair amount of time. This might be heading to OT if he can handle the pressure.

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219 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by morganja // Oct 14, 2018 - 11:16pm

Didn't matter anyhow. The refs had already thrown a flag for defensive holding in the endzone as soon as they thought Brady was going to be sacked..

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220 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Oct 14, 2018 - 11:18pm

Man Hill is fast.

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221 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 11:19pm

.... Did they just do that? They did that! They did a Madden-style 1 play TD .... which might be hitting reality because now Tom has 3 minutes to drive downfield and allow Gostkowski to set up for a game winner. That was a great play, but there was no TOP involved, which could bite them back in a few.

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222 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by GwillyGecko // Oct 14, 2018 - 11:21pm

you have to score, and really, the only way kc wasnt going to stop new england from having enough time for a GW fg is if they somehow scored with 20 seconds or less left

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224 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cheesehead_Canuck // Oct 14, 2018 - 11:26pm

You gotta let Gronk score there. He’s not sharp enough to think to step out at the 1

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225 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Oct 14, 2018 - 11:26pm

Should have just let Gronk score

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226 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Oct 14, 2018 - 11:30pm

The Safety should have .... well ... everyone beat me to that. It definitely would have been smart (AKA the ONLY choice the Chiefs had). It is better to choose death by Hail Mary failure than death by Gostkowski short field goal.

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227 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by morganja // Oct 14, 2018 - 11:32pm

Doesn't matter. The refs will figure out a way to make sure the Patriots get the 'win'. I don't even understand how Patriot fans can enjoy these games. I know no one else does. The Robert Kraft - Sheldon Adelson partnership has been played for way too long.
Get rid of Kraft, get rid of (most) of the corruption in the sport. Viewership was up a little bit this year because the ref's didn't, to most people's surprise, throw the Super Bowl.
Now it's back to the same.
Yet another ref-delivered 'miracle'.

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230 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by PatsFan // Oct 15, 2018 - 12:04am

Still pushing the Jooooooooooo gambling conspiracy, I see, you anti-Semitic POS. Re-read your copy of Protocols to get prepared for the 2018 season?

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234 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by ammek // Oct 15, 2018 - 8:00am

I read this site for football analysis, not anti-semitic conspiracy theories.

Please desist.

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247 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by morganja // Oct 15, 2018 - 10:45am

Robert Kraft and Sheldon Adelson are best friends. FACT. Sheldon Adelson is a corrupt gangster that runs the biggest gambling syndicates in the world. FACT. The NFL supposedly refused to allow Sheldon Adleson have anything to do with the Raiders in Las Vegas, because of that gambling connection. FACT. The Patriot's 'miraculous run' of reffing began when Kraft bought the team. FACT. Once again, in a critical game, the Patriots were the beneficiary of 'miraculous' luck, zero penalties, when it came to the refs. FACT.

So tell me, which part of this is anti-semitic?

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248 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by dryheat // Oct 15, 2018 - 11:02am

I'm not sure you know the difference between fact, speculation, and opinion.

Sadly, given the state of the American media these days, you're not alone.

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264 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Stendhal1 // Oct 15, 2018 - 10:09pm

This is the second time I noticed you referring to Sheldon Adelson. (Fortunately, I don't read the message boards too often when you are around.) In the prior message you referred to Mr. Adelson having gambling interests in Las Vegas, and asserted this was a reference to organized crime. The current post implies he same. Asinine nonsense. It is a matter of public record that Mr. Adelson and family affiliates own a majority of the shares of Las Vegas Sands Corp., a publicly traded gaming entertainment company. That's it.

I dare you to use your real name in posting derogatory comments about Sheldon Adelson.

FACT: based on your pseudonymous comments and total lack of truth standards, you are a gutless, despicable liar. Everything you say may be ignored.

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239 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by dryheat // Oct 15, 2018 - 8:56am

However, your continual insistence of a conspiracy in favor of the only team than the NFL takes away first round draft picks and suspends the starting quarterback for activities commonplace around the NFL is entertaining. You can keep performing that schtick.

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280 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 16, 2018 - 9:45am

The great thing about conspiracy theories is that they're perfect for confirmation bias and immune to contradictory evidence.

NFL refereeing is subjective, so it's not hard to find "evidence" that the Pats, or any team, got an iffy call that went their way.

And when faced with a clear situation where the NFL penalized the Pats, you can either assert:
(a) the penalty should have been harsher and would have been against any other team; and/or,
(b) it was all a show to dupe the masses so that they don't see the real bias going on all around them.

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229 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Will Allen // Oct 14, 2018 - 11:36pm

I understand the appeal of this game, but that is a truckload of crappy defense.

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243 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 15, 2018 - 9:37am

Was it? What I saw was a lot of talented receivers and a couple of great QBs making good defensive players look bad. That Hill touchdown - maybe there's three receivers in the league that score there, beating Harmon despite him having a decent angle for a tackle after the catch.

There weren't very many missed tackles - Van Noy missed one on third down in the first half against a shifty move by KC back. Patriots dropped one possible interception, but grabbed two more, and KC's defenders weren't given any INT opportunities by Brady. Didn't see very many blown coverages, either. NE took away Kelce. KC mostly took away Gronkowski except right at the end.

I'll agree, though, that defensive pressure on the QB was lacking. In the first half, NE got to Mahomes just enough to force FGs instead of TDs. Then NE's only decent pass rusher (Flowers) must have gotten tired, because Mahomes had a clean picket most of the second half. For KC, it was the opposite. After Cannon went out, they were able to get after Brady, and forced NE into FGs in the second half.

With those sets of receivers and those QBs, no defensive scheme is going to hold them in check unless the DL is forcing quick throws.

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by Will Allen // Oct 15, 2018 - 1:25pm

Lack of pass rush equals a truckload of crappy defense to me.

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231 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Tom Tulpa // Oct 15, 2018 - 12:12am

Imagine Belichick's boot stamping on the NFL's face forever.

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232 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by RobotBoy // Oct 15, 2018 - 1:40am

I expect the tin-foil-hat crayon-chewers everywhere else but it's surprising at FO. It's an analytic site, folks. You'll probably feel much more at home over at Fox Sports.

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235 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by sbond101 // Oct 15, 2018 - 8:04am

Ironically it was a game that had space for a really honest discussion about what poor officiating/enforcement guidance is doing to the game (see the Brady rushing touchdown as a direct consequence of the roughing the passer rules) - instead were reading a bunch of comments about how the ref's supposedly rigged the game (never mind actually assessing some of the calls/non-calls on their merits, it's just unfair because it's implausible that a KC defense getting shredded would start holding on for dear life - frankly I think the Pats defense would have been better off in the second half if they took the lesson and did a little holding onto Tyreek Hill for dear life of their own).

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244 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 15, 2018 - 9:42am

Agree. That catch-and-release of Brady by Speaks was absolutely painful to watch.

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245 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by aces4me // Oct 15, 2018 - 10:05am

Would you say that was an unintended or intended side effect of the new roughing the passer rules?

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246 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by sbond101 // Oct 15, 2018 - 10:30am

I'm not sure - It makes me want to turn off my TV when I see a QB escape a defender who is restricted from tackling him freely (especially when "in the grasp" isn't called), There is a whole category of similar B.S. around the defenseless players rules and the surrender rules (the worst offender I can remember was Payton Manning vs. the Steelers in the 2016 playoffs; Dive to surrender, get up, long completion). None of that stuff is "football" in my eyes, and takes away from the game tremendously; the announcers keep promoting QB break-tackles as great plays rather than what they typically are (missed calls on the inside the grasp rule) so I can only assume that the NFL thinks these sorts of plays are exciting. Given that background I certainly think the NFL doesn't care about it as a consequence, whether they intended it or not.

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249 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by dryheat // Oct 15, 2018 - 11:05am

This sort of play was around long before the new body-weight GFU, though. QBs have long learned how to work roughing the passer rules to their advantage. This was really on the defender. There's nothing wrong with wrapping up Brady and not letting go until you know for sure whether or not he has the ball. Heck, the refs will probably blow the play dead before then.

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263 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by nat // Oct 15, 2018 - 9:57pm

It was strange. It wasn't a "hit" but a wrap up tackle. There's close to a zero chance of getting flagged for that. Just grab on and hold on. Pull him to the ground instead of driving him into the ground, if you're worried about roughing.

I wonder if he hadn't been coached to let the QB go if he throws the ball. It's a nuance. But "let him go" is different from "do not tackle him". Sometimes these details matter.

Although, with the holding penalty with its automatic first down, it likely didn't change much.

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281 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 16, 2018 - 9:52am

You wouldn't get a holding penalty in that situation, even if the QB had thrown the ball. Maybe if he threw an INT and you kept holding him to prevent him from making a tackle, but that's still an after the turnover penalty.

If anything, this may be an indication of why this won't be an issue going forward and the league will adapt. Coaches can now walk defensive players through this example and explain what they should do under the current rules. Not throw him to the ground, no, but wrap him up and don't let go until you locate the ball.

Still painful to watch defensive players adapt to the new reality, though.

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283 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Alternator // Oct 16, 2018 - 9:30pm

There was defensive holding on somebody covering a receiver, so it was a free play regardless. Patriots would have had the ball on the two, first and goal.

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252 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Oct 15, 2018 - 2:20pm

Intended.

All rule changes are designed to benefit the offense.

You saw how the NFL touted the structurally-similar Drew Brees TD, right?

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251 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Oct 15, 2018 - 2:18pm

Not Fox. Kraft and Brady are Republicans.

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253 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by mehllageman56 // Oct 15, 2018 - 3:27pm

Have to say that I think the Patriots get a referee bias, but it's the bias that comes with winning. Keyshawn Johnson talked about a play in his book, Give Me the Damn Ball, where the Kotite Jets got screwed with a first down measurement, and commented that the officials give the benefit of the doubt to the supposed better team. Two years and stealing Parcells later, the Jets beat the Seahawks when Testaverde flopped down at the 1 and then reached the ball over the goal line. Methinks this 'referee bias' towards New England goes away when Brady does. Mind you, I think the bias is slight (Matt Light could never pass block John Abraham without holding), but occasionally real. The belief that some friend of Kraft's rigs the games when the league office seems out to get the Patriots is absurd. Next you'll tell me it's Putin behind it all, because he feels bad he stole one of Kraft's rings.

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257 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 15, 2018 - 8:44pm

Good comment, you and Mr. Bond101 as well.

Funny thing, I saw morganja make a nice, insightful comment like a week ago. I was confused for a moment, asking myself "wait, didn't this guy used to be a notorious troll?" I guess he still is. Oh well.

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254 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by ChrisLong // Oct 15, 2018 - 6:28pm

Packers should stomp the 49ers tonight, two TD victory or bust; if they don't then they'll be in a world of trouble against the Rams and Pats after the bye.

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258 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 15, 2018 - 8:56pm

Beathard with a beauty of a deep bomb to Goodwin. Nice answer to the Rogers-Graham connection.

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259 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 15, 2018 - 9:08pm

I thought the star of the play was Goodwin for making a fantastic adjustment on the ball

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260 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Oct 15, 2018 - 9:37pm

8/9 for 178 yards and 2 TDs is an absurd stat line.

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261 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cheesehead_Canuck // Oct 15, 2018 - 9:41pm

Looking forward to McCarthy getting canned at the end of this doomed season.

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262 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Oct 15, 2018 - 9:56pm

Why does MNF have two guys in the booth yet there are three distinct voices chiming in all the time? I mean I figured it out eventually, but it's unnecessarily complicated without a single benefit to the broadcast

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266 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Oct 15, 2018 - 11:02pm

The biggest benefit to the broadcast would be just muting the commentary entirely. I don't know why it's so difficult to get decent commentators.

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270 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 15, 2018 - 11:16pm

Except Romo. The broadcast should consist exclusively of Romo's comments and periods of silence.

During the silences, they could just run a scrolling graphic at the bottom of the screen: "Tony is thinking. Do not adjust your sound."

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272 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Oct 15, 2018 - 11:19pm

Yeah, he's the exception. Can they just make him do every national game regardless of the network?

Or maybe someone can offer Peyton a boatload of money to do similar.

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265 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 15, 2018 - 10:59pm

Just back to the game after family commitments and … Beathard's 49ers are ahead with 5 minutes left in the game???

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268 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 15, 2018 - 11:13pm

Apparently I just needed to return to my TV for the world to return to normal.

Unless Beathard leads a successful two minute drill ...

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274 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 15, 2018 - 11:26pm

Nope. Normalcy restored.

That was a fun five minutes of football. Wonder what the rest of the game was like.

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267 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 15, 2018 - 11:06pm

That's odd. Matthews just fell on a QB near the end of the game and there was no flag.

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278 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mike B. In Va // Oct 16, 2018 - 7:54am

Backup QB.

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269 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Oct 15, 2018 - 11:14pm

The Broncos color guy could learn what throwing the ball where only your guy can reach it actually means with that Adams touchdown.

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271 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Oct 15, 2018 - 11:18pm

Would've liked the 49ers to call at least one run after getting to 2nd and 3.

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273 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 15, 2018 - 11:21pm

That would have cut into the amount of time they had left to throw an interception.

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275 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Oct 15, 2018 - 11:28pm

Love that McCarthy didn't send the kicking team in with 11 seconds left.

Not even with 6 seconds left.

Unless, of course, Rogers just wouldn't leave the field and was ignoring McCarthy.

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276 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by justanothersteve // Oct 15, 2018 - 11:35pm

I think that's exactly what Rodgers did. He flashed the sideline with one finger like he was saying he understands he has time for one more play.

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279 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion

by Mike B. In Va // Oct 16, 2018 - 7:56am

That may be the most in-command I've ever seen an NFL QB - "I know exactly how much time I have and what play to run." Took his first read, when it wasn't there, throw it away (essentially), and kick the FG.

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277 Re: Week 6 Open Game Discussion/jags

by umuddafadda // Oct 16, 2018 - 7:12am

Fournette *is* the offense....it shows these past weeks. Yelden is a good occasional 3rd down
back but Fournette is the engine. Bortles needs Fournette to make LB's cheat up 'n then (and only then) will he come back to become a fairly marginal QB (which is all this team needs to contend for
playoffs). #Dilfer.

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