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Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

By now, you've read everything we (and many others) have to say about Sunday's Super Bowl between the Rams and the Patriots. So now it's your turn -- use this thread to discuss the NFL's championship game.

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122 comments, Last at 04 Feb 2019, 11:23am

1 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by umuddafadda // Feb 03, 2019 - 8:32am

Goff plays exceptionally better against man2man than zone.
This, along with a great DL that can stop NE play action
(GOAT underrated play action faker) & a Rams run game
that *could* control the outcome of this game (by keeping
Brady on sidelines)...well, I think Rams will win but I'm
cheering for NE-just an amazing run we're living thru, to have
this much success in the FA day & age...they win by mentally
beating you. Brady demands you read the D like he reads them &
react accordingly...great receiving RB's....Bilicheck takes care of
NE defense by hiding alot of incompetence wi/exceptional DB's who
win the 1-on-1 wars + tremendous concepts re: rushing/blitzing.
Its a 1-2 pt spread for good reason :)

Rams 33-27

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2 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by nat // Feb 03, 2019 - 9:32am

Seems reasonable. I see it as a toss up, and make no predictions.

I never get the “keeping Brady on the sidelines” concept. Teams have alternating drives. Using a lot of clock reduces the drive count, which only helps if you’re the weaker team hoping for a lucky break. What helps is being able to play both fast and slow tempo with good efficiency. That can get you an extra drive through clock management near the end of each half.

Enjoy the game, folks. It should be a good one.

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3 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Will Allen // Feb 03, 2019 - 9:49am

It's on Donald and Suh to win this game for the Rams, even if their tackle/sack totals aren't huge. It wouldn't be too smart to bet against Dante's Inferno (i know that makes no sense, but what the hell; it's the last game for 7 months) at this point, but it would be great to see Super Bowl MVP voters recognize an interior lineman.

I know, I know, I need to start using less exotic mushrooms in my Sunday morming omelettes......

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7 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Feb 03, 2019 - 10:57am

Not if you lived in Denver!

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10 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by billprudden // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:58am

"but it would be great to see Super Bowl MVP voters recognize an interior lineman."

Yeah, I'd vote for that outcome, even in a losing cause.

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4 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Raiderjoe // Feb 03, 2019 - 9:53am

Two or all three ofbtheseguys must have good games for Rams to win- Fowler, Suh, Donald. Think they will so will pick Rams 26, Pates 23

Would be shocked if game isnt colse. Obviously, if thinking this eay, then can easily see Pates being tema tjhat does sonmethinf gerat at end of game and theu cluld be team winnijg 29 to 26 or somethinf.

Will possibly have soem sort of ramen soup today form health aisle in Stop & Shop.

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5 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by medelste // Feb 03, 2019 - 10:21am

Patriots 34, Rams 28 (OT)

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6 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Feb 03, 2019 - 10:52am

Ramn 30 Paste 26

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8 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by MC2 // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:08am

It's the classic case of the better team (Rams) vs. the hotter team (Pats), and I have no idea who's going to win. But I always make a SB prediction, so I'll just go with the Vegas "prediction" and say:

Pats 30, Rams 27

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9 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Theo // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:46am

*So now it's _your_ turn...

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11 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Theo // Feb 03, 2019 - 12:09pm

7:30am kickoff here!!
Pats 32 Rams 28.
Must be a close good game no doubt.

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12 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Feb 03, 2019 - 12:16pm

"Must be a close good game no doubt."

Nah. We've had too many close Super Bowls recently. We're due for a blow out. (I'm sure that's how dice work, right?)

Pats 42 - Rams 4

(Donald wins MVP for his two safeties in a losing cause).

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13 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Theo // Feb 03, 2019 - 12:59pm

That'd be fun.
Actually think Fowler can have a really good game. He has been really good in the last few games I saw him play.

The only way to beat Brady is by changing your coverage a lot, change your game plan mid-game and never ever be predictable.
The Rams have Talib who can play any coverage... so this could turn out to be a rough game for Brady.

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14 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Feb 03, 2019 - 1:09pm

Talib can tie the record for career interception return touchdowns with two today!

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15 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by PatsFan // Feb 03, 2019 - 1:48pm

No idea what to expect in this one. My only “prediction” is the list of following general outcomes in decreasing order of probability:
1) tight LAR win
small gap
2) tight NE win
small gap
3) LAR blowout
big gap
4) NE blowout

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16 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by justanothersteve // Feb 03, 2019 - 2:00pm

I'm hoping for a good game, but don't care who wins. Tired of Patriots and Brady, but don't hate them like some folks do. Don't want Rams to win after Kroenke screwed over the city I've lived in for most of the last 31 years. I have a hard time believing the Pats will lose if it's close.

Pats 30 Rams 26

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17 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Jackson87 // Feb 03, 2019 - 2:39pm

I see a Patriots blowout. They get off to a fast start, then coast. 38-23. God help the Rams if they win the toss and defer. 6 minutes later it will be 7-0.

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18 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by PatsFan // Feb 03, 2019 - 2:51pm

I can’t see how on earth NE holds LAR to 23.

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99 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Scott P. // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:54pm

Only off by 20 points.

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19 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by BywaterBrat // Feb 03, 2019 - 3:38pm

I see 3 battles that will determine the outcome:

- will NE continue to dominate with their runblocking
- will LA get pressure on Brady early and consistently
- will Goff make the tough throws

Don't think it will a close game until either team goes 2019 pass-happy and then the leader will have a couple chances to ice things.

My gut says NE will win 2 or 3 of the 3 battles throughout and be up 10+ most of the game but in today's NFL a lot can happen in 10 minutes.

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42 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by BywaterBrat // Feb 03, 2019 - 8:21pm

update...
mild no
big yes
big no

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20 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by PirateFreedom // Feb 03, 2019 - 3:42pm

34 - 23 : Pats finally win by more than one score

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21 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Alternator // Feb 03, 2019 - 3:51pm

Patriots 38, Rams 27, with the game a one-score affair until a very late Patriots FG to ice it.

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22 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Cheesehead_Canuck // Feb 03, 2019 - 4:13pm

Pats - 30, Rams - 20
We’re doomed.

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23 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by alan frankel // Feb 03, 2019 - 4:42pm

So I see that their are no odds on the McCourty brothers sharing the MVP award

What are the chances the NFL capitalized on that

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24 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Feb 03, 2019 - 5:15pm

I think the already low odds of Devin winning MVP are further reduced by the potential for sportswriters to accidentally cast their vote for his brother Jason.

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25 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 7:31pm

Alright, pats will receive. Can the Rams stop them??

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26 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 7:34pm

Ugh good kick return and 13 yard run by Michel.

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27 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 7:37pm

Brady throws a pick!!

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28 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 7:45pm

Suh and Fowler with the tackle for a loss of four

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29 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by GwillyGecko // Feb 03, 2019 - 7:47pm

i see that new england is already getting bailed out by the refs, and the game barely just started

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30 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by BywaterBrat // Feb 03, 2019 - 7:48pm

They never showed it on my feed, did he just whack a guy away from the play?

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32 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by GwillyGecko // Feb 03, 2019 - 7:50pm

the refs announced the wrong number. it was on whoever made the tackle

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31 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by drillz // Feb 03, 2019 - 7:48pm

LAR-38 NE-33

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33 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 7:53pm

Pats already use their 2nd timeout. Uncharacteristic of them?

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34 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 7:56pm

Gostkowski was 31/31 on fgs at Mercedes benz, and he misses the kick. Totally jinxed!

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35 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Feb 03, 2019 - 8:03pm

Was that penalty legit? It was a weird call but CBS didn't show a replay…

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36 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by SFC B // Feb 03, 2019 - 8:08pm

It looked like the play clock was at 0 for a couple beats. I think it was legit.

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37 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 8:11pm

Scoreless first quarter. So much for a potential blowout?

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38 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 8:14pm

Rams with only 29 yards offense! Pats have over 100. But still scoreless

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39 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Lance // Feb 03, 2019 - 8:15pm

Rams are going to have to get a real drive going. TOP is very lopsided.

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40 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 8:18pm

Yeah, rams defense is gonna get gassed quick.

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41 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by SFC B // Feb 03, 2019 - 8:21pm

Okay, bud light, GOT commercial caught me off-guard for a laugh.

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43 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 8:22pm

Edelman is the MVP so far.

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44 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by BywaterBrat // Feb 03, 2019 - 8:23pm

joyner was flying at that presnap

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45 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 8:25pm

Pats score a fg. Gronk limping off.

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46 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 8:31pm

Gurley with only 1 touch so far? Why??

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52 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Raiderjoe // Feb 03, 2019 - 9:08pm

Nit healthy. Hasnt truly been his normal self simce getyibf nicked up earlt in game vs chiegs

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47 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by drillz // Feb 03, 2019 - 8:33pm

the N.E. defense has Golf looking like he did during his rookie campaign.

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48 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Feb 03, 2019 - 8:39pm

I hope Hot Wheels makes one of that Peanut van. I already have the Weinermobile in my collection…

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49 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Feb 03, 2019 - 8:53pm

If you're the 12th guy and you can't get off the field in time, you should just stay on the field and play defense at that point

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50 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 8:58pm

Halftime , 3-0 pats, rams defense playing well, rams offense is pathetic.

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51 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Cheesehead_Canuck // Feb 03, 2019 - 9:03pm

Brady off unless Edelman gets WIDE open, which is frequent.
Goff sucks, which has been more apparent as the season went on.

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53 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 9:32pm

Finally giving it to gurley , 16 yards

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54 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Feb 03, 2019 - 9:39pm

I was literally typing that same Reagan joke when Romo made it :)

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55 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 9:41pm

Jeez Edelman has 120 yards already

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56 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 9:49pm

Hekker hit a 65 yard punt! Most exciting part of this game?!

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57 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Steve in WI // Feb 03, 2019 - 9:50pm

Hekker’s punted 8 times already and just kicked the longest punt in Super Bowl history. Let’s say he throws a TD on a fake punt and the Rams eke out a win 7-6 or something like that...does he win MVP?

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58 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Dan_L // Feb 03, 2019 - 9:53pm

We're officially in competition with Super Bowl VII at this point.

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59 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 10:03pm

Mcourty just saved a td

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106 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Feb 04, 2019 - 12:37am

Completing the twin set proves useful at the most opportune time. From the tv coverage, that was not Jason's man.

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108 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by RickD // Feb 04, 2019 - 12:56am

It wasn't. Gilmore made a big mistake on that play. JMac bailed him out.

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60 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 10:04pm

Fg good, tied at 3 all

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61 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Feb 03, 2019 - 10:13pm

Littleton having a big game

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62 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 10:14pm

Littleton is having a great game.

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63 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Feb 03, 2019 - 10:22pm

Do the Rams never move Goff around on rollouts and such?

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64 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Steve B // Feb 03, 2019 - 10:28pm

Phantom hold followed by 15 yard penalty not called

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65 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by justanothersteve // Feb 03, 2019 - 10:32pm

Edelman continues to papercut the Rams defense

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66 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 10:33pm

Pats finally punch it in..that could be the game winner

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67 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Steve B // Feb 03, 2019 - 10:42pm

Far and away the worst QB performance in a SB

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69 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by TimK // Feb 03, 2019 - 10:45pm

Craig Morton would like to be taken under consideration perhaps. But, yes, Goff has been poor, and Patriots have played to make him beat them.

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85 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by RickD // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:24pm

Tony Eason would be happy to hear this judgment. But really, it's not close to the worst.

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104 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Theo // Feb 04, 2019 - 12:24am

Kerry Collins smiles at this.

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68 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 10:44pm

Goff with an Int! Oof

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70 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Feb 03, 2019 - 10:47pm

I guess we'll never know who would win in a fair game. All we know is that the Rams couldn't overcome all the bad calls. Between the non-holding call that ended one Rams drive, the uncalled PI on Cooks in the end zone, that's literally the difference in the game.

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110 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by RickD // Feb 04, 2019 - 12:57am

Nobody who looks at that play objectively could say it's PI on JMac. He hits Cooks after the ball arrives. As he's allowed to do.

Some people here are very strong in anti-Patriots bias.

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113 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by GwillyGecko // Feb 04, 2019 - 1:03am

not on that play, but gilmore got away with PI when he grabbed cooks's arm.

this is a whole different game if the refs dont call holding on gurley's first down into new england territory with the game tied(replay showed it was bullshit and romo called them out on it), and of course the aforementioned gilmore play

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71 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by AHBM // Feb 03, 2019 - 10:53pm

Completely disagree with the announcers and McVay. Take the yards and make it harder for the Pats to get a new series to end it.

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73 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by AHBM // Feb 03, 2019 - 10:54pm

...unless that would run the clock to 2:00 on first down. I didn't hear them specify if that was the case.

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83 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Steve in WI // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:17pm

I thought they said the penalty stopped the clock either way, but I don’t know the actual rule.

I would have taken the penalty and hoped to keep them out of FG range. Yes, you’re not likely to score a TD with 30 seconds left or whatever, but you have to have a better chance of that than of scoring a TD and a FG with a little over a minute left.

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84 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by AHBM // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:20pm

With all the restrictions on kickoff lineups now, I just assume that onside kicks are impossible anymore. Any strategy that requires one will fail.

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72 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Feb 03, 2019 - 10:54pm

Can we have just one game where a bunch of bad calls don't bail out the Pats? Just one?

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76 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Rocco // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:01pm

We'll be told that the bad calls were okay because the Rams had malice in their heart or something.

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78 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by deus01 // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:02pm

Holding the pats to 13 points should have been pretty good. So much for McVay being an offensive genius

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82 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Steve in WI // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:15pm

I think Jared Goff is totally propped up by McVay. We saw in his rookie year the kind of player he actually is, and he just shows that a mediocre at best QB can look better with good coaching.

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92 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Will Allen // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:38pm

I'm more impressed by McVay than ever. He has squeezed every molecule of utility from Goff that there is to extract.

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111 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by RickD // Feb 04, 2019 - 12:59am

Can we have commenters who appreciate that the Patriots win football games and don't need to blame officiating all the time?

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117 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Theo // Feb 04, 2019 - 1:43am

I enjoy the way they continue to outsmart everyone.
Yes some calls here and there. But every teams gets them, it is a cheap cop out.

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119 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Feb 04, 2019 - 4:37am

Right. It's the commenters that are the problem somehow, not all the bad calls.

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122 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Cheesehead_Canuck // Feb 04, 2019 - 11:23am

When it actually happens, I'll gladly do so.

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74 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Steve B // Feb 03, 2019 - 10:57pm

I know he tailed off some toward the end of the season, but I have to think a seasoned, future HoF QB like Brees would've put up more than three points.

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118 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by lenny65 // Feb 04, 2019 - 1:46am

That NFC title game is going to haunt the NFL for the entire off-season. I personally though NE was going to slaughter LA, I'm shocked it was as close as it was. As much as I hate them credit where it's due, no NFL coach has ever worked with what he has as well as the Hooded Menace does. This was not a team that looked like a SB winner a lot of the time yet here they are again.

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75 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Cheesehead_Canuck // Feb 03, 2019 - 10:58pm

I’m with Ninjalectua

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77 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:02pm

I believe the non call in the nfc championship was intentional, so the NFL could get rams in the SB and send Brady/Belichick/Gronk off into thr sunset with anothet title.

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81 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Steve B // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:14pm

Sunset? Maybe for Gronk, but not the other two

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79 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Will Allen // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:03pm

Sometimes I hate being right.

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80 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:08pm

Post game is a disaster. No one can get an interview

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90 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Theo // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:34pm

Well, you need about 1500 photograhers to get a picture of a qb surrounded by photographers.

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86 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by SFC B // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:30pm

Okay, am I the only one underwhelmed by that game? Didn't feel like a defense-dominated one, more like one team's QB was not very good and the other just kept petering out.

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89 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Steve B // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:33pm

I'd say your far from alone in that assessment.

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116 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Theo // Feb 04, 2019 - 1:38am

I was very impressed by the coverages thrown at the qbs. (From what I could see with the poor angles and camerawork that the nfl continues to operate).

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87 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:31pm

Couple comments on the game:
Why did gurley only get 11 touches? Injured? He was effective on some runs.
If the pats pass rush was too much, the rams should have gone max protect.
Where were the rams tight ends? Only 1 target!
The rams really missed cooper kupp. He could have bailed them out with short passes when the pass rush was coming.

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88 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Will Allen // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:33pm

It may sound strange, but McVay's perfotmance may be underrated to date, in that he has so successfully concealed Goff's weaknesses. If anybody was going to fully illuminate them, of course, it was likely to be The Dark Lord.

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92 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Steve B // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:38pm

Boy genius looked like he skipped prep week. And he wasn't that hot in the NFCCG, either

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95 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Will Allen // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:47pm

Boy genius has a qb who is illiterate.

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97 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Steve B // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:50pm

He was as much a deer in the headlights as his QB. Where were the freaking adjustments?

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100 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Feb 04, 2019 - 12:04am

The Rams don't *do* adjustments.

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101 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Will Allen // Feb 04, 2019 - 12:05am

I dunno, they adjusted enough to have a wide open receiver in the end zone, late in a tight game, and the qb threw the ball two seconds late. I said a week ago that Goff would get so confused that it would be a boring game. I was right.

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102 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by sbond101 // Feb 04, 2019 - 12:12am

This was interesting to me; The Pats played zone-blitz to take away the hot routes and force the issue with 1-1 down the field on several receivers and not only did Goff not find open guys, he didn't even try to heave up 50-50 balls deep down the field and force the defense to make a play. On a related note - how awful was the last Rams drive with several completions in the middle of the field for <15 yards. Not sure where to lay the blame for that, but seriously?

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103 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Will Allen // Feb 04, 2019 - 12:16am

To be fair to Goff, the Rams oline was pretty soundly whipped as well.

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109 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by TheIdealGrassLaw // Feb 04, 2019 - 12:57am

If you watched a replay that had the jerseys masked, and had to guess which team was which based on the defense winning at the LOS, you would assume the teams were flipped.
Oh that must be Suh and Donald winning at the LOS... instead it was the pats D. Goff eventually kinda figured it out. But way too late.

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115 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Steve B // Feb 04, 2019 - 1:11am

Rams' D pretty clearly played well enough overall to win, too

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114 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Steve B // Feb 04, 2019 - 1:09am

Looked like DPI on that play to me. Regardless, I don't see how that one play absolves McVay of his deserved fair share of blame.

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120 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Will Allen // Feb 04, 2019 - 4:49am

Wasn't close to dpi, and if the ball is thrown on time, dpi is impossible. It wasn't the only time Goff had very poor recognition.

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90 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by vrao81 // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:34pm

Also rams weakness was run D, it showed, as the pats gashed them for 154 yards.

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94 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Will Allen // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:46pm

Oh, come on. It was 3 to 5 plays and out on nearly every drive for the Rams, until deep into the 2nd half, and the Pats were still sitting on 3 points. This was a masterful performance, that will now be completely forgotten.

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96 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by sbond101 // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:48pm

This is right - the Rams got a missed FG and an unforced INT to take points off the board, as well as a slew of great kicks to recover field position to make it look a lot better than it was. Obviously neither team was good on offense, but the Pats running game was definitely the most dangerous offensive group on the field.

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98 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Will Allen // Feb 03, 2019 - 11:53pm

No it's not right. That "unforced" int was the result of successfully disguising coverage against the qb in the league most difficult to deceive. It was a great performance by the Rams defense.

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107 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Feb 04, 2019 - 12:44am

Yeah, Son of Bum dialled up a masterful performance. Even more impressive since the Rams D spent roughly 100% of the game on the field.

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105 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by MJK // Feb 04, 2019 - 12:28am

Rams defense was amazing. The Patriots had spotty success running the ball, which is a win for the D (the running game is only a win for the O if it has consistent success), and basically failed completely in the passing game any time that Edelman wasn't able to get open. The passes to the RB's, a staple of NE's game this season, was completely taken away. The CB's, for the most part (except for the slot corner on Edelman) were lights out.

Patriots D was even better. It started at the LOS. For all the talk about Goff being bad, he constantly had NE defenders in his face. Stunts and twists to get pressure, and taking away the hot routes so the stunts and twists had time to get home. Plus some amazing man to man play in the secondary.

It's tempting to see low scoring and say the offense were bad, but this was a case of an awesome defensive grindfest.

If I'm going to fault the offenses, it was the playcalling. For most of the game, the Rams ran on 1st down, got minimal gain, and then stalled out when they had to pass. The few times the passed on 1st, they had much more success. They should have opened it up a lot more.

The Pats playcalling issue was on 3rd down. I think I counted something like 5 third and shorts (and one 4th and short) where they came out shotgun, empty backfield, with five "WR's" (yes, technically, it was usually 11 personel with both Gronk and White split out wide). This is playing into the strength of the Rams D. We know they have had struggles defending power runs or other plays out of 21 personnel. Where were the Patriots vaunted 2-back formations? And several of those 3rd and shorts were in the "maroon zone" where you might go for it on 4th and short... Don't pass the ball on 3rd and 4 and then punt when it's incomplete... run the ball on 3rd and 4 and if you end up in 4th and 1, go for it! I guess the strategy was to make the Rams work the whole length of the field, and I guess it worked, but that approach was one bounce of the ball or late CB in the end zone away from working.

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112 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by RickD // Feb 04, 2019 - 1:01am

McD's playcalling was maddening.

Almost as much as Romo's insatiable need to give the Rams' pass rush credit on plays they really didn't get close to Brady.

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121 Re: Super Bowl LIII Open Discussion

by umuddafadda // Feb 04, 2019 - 7:19am

Observations:

1) Brady's football IQ is beyond anything I've ever seen
2) Brady's WR's are so "in tune" wi/seeing what he sees (D's)
that they mentally beat the DB's/DC's (def coordinators) 9 out of 10 throws....amazing
3) I was surprised Pats ran so well-thought Rams DL would thwart that
4) Rams D was tired at end of game, too many 3 & outs by O-caught up
with them
5) Belichick devises D's that hide so many inadequacies its unimaginable....very
ordinary DL/LB's...yet Goff had alot of pressure on him, all night.
6) Suh/Donald/Fowler were just marginal, all night-surprising
7) Both teams corners played exceptionally well in a big game
8) When I was growing up, George Blanda was a "phenomenon" by playing
in the league over 40....he never even conceived on the level of play
Brady has given us, in his 40's. Ig uess 40 is the new 30.

Net net, we're living in an age that'll *never* be seen again....8 straight
conference championships....6 SB's....a QB/OC (offense) & HC (Def) that
are PhD's in their respective fields. Hate 'em or love 'em, the NE Pats
are the best organization ever (and I was rooting for the Rams!!)

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