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Week 4 Open Discussion Thread

Dak Prescott
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Week 4 begins tonight with the Eagles traveling to Green Bay looking for a badly needed win against the undefeated Packers. Sunday games include two battles between unbeaten teams as New England visits Buffalo and Kansas City heads to Detroit. Your prime-time games pit Dallas against New Orleans, which could be a playoff preview, and Cincinnati against Pittsburgh, which can't. Use this thread to discuss them all. 

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164 comments, Last at 30 Sep 2019, 8:44pm

1 Cripes, tuned in just in…

Cripes, tuned in just in time to see the awful helmet-to-helmet hit to Williams. Williams now being taken off on a stretcher. Stomach-churning.

To his credit, I guess, Barnett seems to feel pretty bad about it. He took about 5 steps lowering his helmet, though, so if that wasn't intentionally malicious I have no idea what he was thinking. Really disagree with the decision not to eject; that was eminently avoidable, dangerous incompetence if not malice.

2 There was also an uncalled…

There was also an uncalled helmet-to-helmet on the Eagles coverage team hitting Darrius Shepherd as he was fielding the punt. It was otherwise a good tackle, but the penalty should still have been called. 

3 In terms of the actual game,…

In terms of the actual game, the Packers' early-game fireworks continue, with a beautiful Rodgers bomb to Adams that he takes inside the 10. Aaron Jones punches it in a couple of plays later. It's remarkable that they've been able to do this 4 games in a row.

Also, and this is 100% true, I tuned in to the regular broadcast and the second Joe Buck's face came on-screen I remembered Amazon's alternate commentary with Kremer and Storm starts this week, thank goodness. They sound a lot more smooth and comfortable than last year, when they were already an improvement over the 'regulars.' It's still awkward having the game called using the tv broadcast but I think they do as well as possible. I get that there's not enough money in it to send them to the games and get them a real booth, but I'd really like to hear them do it properly some time.

 

UPDATE: Whoever decided that these broadcasts needed intrusions by Buck and Aikman needs to be sent to the cornfield.

28 Kremer and Storm are good …

Kremer and Storm are good (Buck & Aikman are awful) but I like the Brits better. But I still watch the network so I can DVR the game and skip the commercials and fast forward between plays and watch it faster. 

6 Apparently it's a rule that…

Apparently it's a rule that receivers can't block defenders more than 1 yard down the field before the pass is thrown. Not sure if that's new or a point of emphasis but I don't remember it being called before this year.

8 That guy straight up tackled…

That guy straight up tackled Adams by the face mask. That and two helmet-to-helmet hits in a quarter and a half is pretty dirty.

9 One of these days the refs…

One of these days the refs are going to call a fumble on the field even though the runner is clearly down, and they're going to get the call wrong in replay.

16 Peterson has clearly learned…

Peterson has clearly learned that the Packers run defense isn't very good. That was the thing that was really bothering me after watching Denver's running backs gash the Packers.

17 The Eagles as a whole and…

The Eagles as a whole and Davante Adams alone have the exact same number of yards after that TD, but the Eagles are winning by 8. That's just weird.

20 Well Aaron Rodgers sure…

Well Aaron Rodgers sure looks a lot better now that he's not facing a bunch of All-Pro pass rushers. Whoda thunk.

21 I didn't see anything new in…

I didn't see anything new in that two minute TD drill from Rodgers. No real misdirection. All find the matchup mistake. That looked like McCarthy's offense.

23 I don't get how that wasn't…

I don't get how that wasn't ruled DPI, unless they decided the penalty should have been hands to the face and that isn't reviewable, which would be very NFL.

69 Hi-larious

The broadcaster was laughing, it was so blatant.

Do the Packers and Eagles have some particular grudge? I don't really know the NFC. A lot of the hitting had an extra edge to it and there was plenty of nonsense going on after the bell.

74 Schwartz doesn't care for…

In reply to by RobotBoy

Schwartz doesn't care for them, from his time in Detroit.

Mostly, I think, it's that the Eagles play better as an emotional team and were in a do-or-die game, so you saw that come out.

26 That was another one where…

That was another one where the Packers hit the rusher after 1 or 2 and he ended up with 5. Not sure if that's technique or conditioning or if they're just too small.

I predicted after the Super Bowl that the Patriots were going to spearhead a return to power rushing, since everyone is playing small LBs and Nickel every down. They, ah, haven't, it seems, but someone is going to, and soon.

33 Another one! Seems like…

Another one! Seems like Martinez in particular is getting run over a lot. Of course, he's in that position because they're getting through the d-line like knives through butter.

29 Well I thought that was DPI…

Well I thought that was DPI too. I still don't have a feel for how they're deciding PI reviews, but it doesn't seem to be letter of the law...

31 I think they're calling it…

I think they're calling it at full speed. If you can't tell at full speed, it's not interference. Neither call was definitive without slow motion. If that's how they're going to determine it, I completely approve. 

32 It’s jarring to see how many…

It’s jarring to see how many more passing yards the Packers have compared to the Eagles. It doesn’t seem like that watching the game.

34 Well that was... something…

Well that was... something.

I get wanting to get Graham some chances but he's just toast. A few years ago he'd have caught both of those (and probably that one over his head too).

36 Gees. Four and out from the…

Gees. Four and out from the 1-yard line with four failed passing plays. I would've liked at least one running play there, even if your running game is struggling.

41 Oh cripes, Eagles' DB just…

Oh cripes, Eagles' DB just got hit helmet-to-helmet on a play a lot like Williams' in the 1st, by his own teammate.

56 They might've.I wouldn't…

They might've.I wouldn't have liked the call at all. The Packers were still the home team and the favorites to win before the game started. Besides, they had very little running threat, which can matter a lot from two yards out. We saw how much they struggled to score from just one yard out.

47 Why wouldn't the Packers…

Why wouldn't the Packers challenge the non-PI call on the last interception? They probably wouldn't win, but they might, and there's no penalty for trying.

52 Yeah, I thought at least in…

Yeah, I thought at least in slo-mo the guy bumped him a second early. Would've been ticky-tack but like you said there's literally nothing to lose.

Unless they were out of timeouts? I don't think they were but I wasn't paying close attention.

50 So after all that, on the…

So after all that, on the six plays the Packers ran late inside the 10 late the one running play is the only one that got anywhere. The five passing plays resulted in four incompletions and a pick.

59 34 points allowed and I can…

34 points allowed and I can’t in good conscience pin this on the D, despite getting gashed on the ground. Special teams gave Philly two short fields. The strip sack gave them another short field. Offense had two 1st and goals with no points.
I like what Pettine is doing with a young unit. Can’t say the same about Lafleur after 1/4 of the season, despite the 3-1 record.

86 How severe are the injuries?…

How severe are the injuries? Looking at their schedule, they have a long week to prepare for hosting the Jets, who they should beat easily with any warm bodies at CB. But after that their schedule becomes brutal. In particular, the week 7 game in Dallas is going to go a long way towards deciding the division, they cannot afford to go into that game severely undermanned on defense. 

63 I didn't watch closely until…

I didn't watch closely until the 4th quarter. Did the Packers definitively ignore play action, like they did against the Vikings? Pettine may be doing something very interesting, in selling out nearly completely to defend the pass, and being willing to yield lots of rush yards. I love it when a coach is willing to stick his neck out.

67 NO

Packer defense was shredded both ways. On the ground, and when Wentz decided to pass he was rarely pressured They were really exposed tonight. Dallas gonna have a field day. Packers run game was non-existent-- Williams knocked out of game with head/neck injuries on their first play (see below-- league are hypocrites when it comes to safety)-- blocking bad, Jones could not break free--  and he can't play every snap-- not a bell cow. it took play action off the board. The guy who should have been ejected for that vicious helmet-to-helmet hit-- Barrett-- strip sacked Rodgers on a play action play which put the Eagles ahead and was a key turning point in game. In the NCAA he would have lasted one play before being ejected.

76 It's an exaggeration to say…

In reply to by oaktoon

It's an exaggeration to say the Packers got no pass rush, the Eagles prioritized getting the ball out fast and didn't try too hard to push the ball downfield to their receivers - their two longest passing plays were a screen pass and a RB wheel route out of the backfield. Pressure did force some errant throws from Wentz on the few third downs where they stopped them. Good scheming and a good gameplan from Pederson.

64 Not sure you can really pin…

Not sure you can really pin it on anybody; it was a close game, they gave up 2 avoidable but unlucky turnovers, had no takeaways of their own, and lost by 1 possession. C'est la vie.

Run defense looks to be a huge issue. Martinez personally gave up probably 25 yards after contact (and I think a TD), and he wasn't the only one struggling to take people down after making the initial hit. Elliott's going to run for 350 next week.

84 Well this is just a…

In reply to by oaktoon

Well this is just a hilariously bad take. The dude led the league in tackles last year. He's not an all-pro, but he's clearly a starting-caliber player. 

68 Really?

The five times they got in the red zone they waltzed in every time. The 7 times the Packers got there they got 3 TDS, 2 FGS a turnover on downs and an INT.... Big big difference. No pass rush on Wentz-- it wasnt just the run defense being gashed....

65 A Problem with the League

Packers had ample chance to win this game. Defense could not stop the run and had very few pressures of Wentz. Run-blocking was borderline pathetic and i don't understand the playcalling on 1st and goal at the 1. And they should have kept more than two RBs-- that was a grievous error. That all said, the injury to Jamaal Williams on the Packers' first play had a profound impact on the result. Fantasy owners might scoff but there's a reason Aaron Jones can't go 20+ carries a game, and you saw it tonight. He ain't no bell cow-- he had bad blocking in front of him, but other than the TD and a couple of pass catch and runs in the 4th quarter, he got nothing once he was hit. Williams being able to give him a spell who is a better straight ahead and bigger runner could have made the difference in those short yard situations. And sure that's bad luck and the Packers didn't have a 3rd back other than the fullback Vitale., But Barrett should 100% have been ejected. It was a vicious helmet-to-helmet tackle against a defenseless runner where he took at least two or three steps to wind it up. In college he's ejected in a heartbeat. it is disgraceful for the NFL to let that slide. And if i were a Packer when he went over to give Williams encouragement or apologize or whatever with him on the stretcher, i would have decked him. THIS LEAGUE COULD CARE LESS ABOUT PLAYER SAFETY

70 Rodgers Rodgered

Reports of his decline were greatly exaggerated. Mahomes can do most of what he can do but who else? Rodgers has been gimpy the last few times I've seen him and I'd sort of forgotten what a threat he is with healthy legs. Man, those laser shots where his arm moves so little that you can't understand how the ball got so much zip. While he's scrambling! The ability to evade the rush (well, most of the time). The sprints downfield. To my eyes he looks as dominant as ever.
This game looked much like every other Packers game I've seen over the years. The defense leaking oil. Rodgers improvising. Are we sure it's not McCarthy wearing a mask?

71 Run Aaron, Run1

A big mistake Philly made against Rodgers last night was not playing him to run. At all. So he put his footprints all over them. It seemed like they rushed three at times and by the time the pressure came, the DBs and LBs were so spread out that Rodgers could just waltz to the marker (or dance a little until someone came open). It also seemed like they didn't maintain lane discipline very well when they rushed more, nor did they seem to spy him. I imagine that Rodgers isn't the runner that he used to be but he looked plenty nimble last night.

I know Rodgers has been making defenses look silly for a long time but at times for Eagles it looked like surrender.

83 I remember the series where…

I remember the series where the Packers had the ball at the 1 where they turned it over on downs. I turned to my friend and said, "this feels like a 2013 Packers game, they've scored 27 points, and they still might lose." It wasn't just the points though, Rogers looked really sharp, and not limping. 

73 It seems those who were…

It seems those who were calling the Packers D a top five unit were premature in that judgment based on Trubisky and Cousins shitting the bed the first two weeks. Pettines Ds in Buffalo have always been leaky vs the run, and the Broncos figured this out last week. A smart team like Philly adjusted their game plan accordingly and went with a rare run-heavy attack (for them) and were rewarded.

Rodgers still has it, and I feel bad for him. For the past few years with McCarthy and now LaFluer, management has been trying to force a more run-oriented scheme on him, and I don’t think it’s a good idea to waste his talent and productivity by trying to do so. The Packers should’ve been loading up on receiving talent and going full Chiefs/Eagles mode trying to outscore everyone, but outside of Adams and a sprinty Scantling, he has no one to throw to because the Packers keep spending premium picks on defenders and not venturing into the FA/trade market. I don’t think they have built their team optimally given who the have at QB.

That being said, the Packers can still score enough and I think they’re still a good team. However, so is philly and they were just on the right side of variance in this one. They can’t cover at all though. If Ramsey is getting traded, I’d have to imagine it’s them or the Chiefs will be bidding the hardest.

75 And the one time they should…

And the one time they should run at 1st and goal at the 1... they don't. But they have no issue calling a run on 2nd and 8. Is there more to play calling than I realize that just goes way over my head or do coaches get too cute and overthink things?

78 The RPO on 3rd and goal the…

The RPO on 3rd and goal the first sequence... yuck. When you see a team like the Eagles run the RPO as effectively as they do (they killed with it last night), it looks so tough to defend. But nearly every time the Packers have called one this year it's resulted in comically poor decision making and timing. Time to burn those plays.

79 Defenders and FA market

"outside of Adams and a sprinty Scantling, he has no one to throw to because the Packers keep spending premium picks on defenders and not venturing into the FA/trade market."

Preston Smith and Zadarious (sp?) Smith seem to be doing their job--they were FA pickups at high prices. Also, there is Allison; I heard that there was a 4th round pick from last year that they cut, and they have E St. Brown that is on IR right now. I'm not even a Packers fan--but it seems like they have tried some things.

81 I am more referring to the…

I am more referring to the offense. You are right, the FO has spent tons of resources on defenders, consistent with their philosophy of playing a more run-heavy, ball control offense supplemented by great defense a la the Ravens or Vikings. This philosophy is fine if your QB is a mid-tier QB like Stafford (I like what the Lions are doing) but wasteful when you have a top 5 QB who can score at will when surrounded by a fleet of explosive weapons.

Spending a bunch of 2018 mid-round picks on WR does not qualify as upgrading the offense, although it may qualify as “trying some stuff,” nor does hiring a Shanahan-lite disciple to run the offense. The FO seems to be preparing for Rodgers inevitable decline and life without a top 5 QB by shifting to the current course a few years too early, in my opinion. 

88 Allison was an UDFA. EQ was…

Allison was an UDFA. EQ was a sixth round pick. MVS was a fifth round pick. They did use a third on a TE who is on IR. The last time the Packers used a third or higher on a WR was 2015 third on Ty Montgomery, who they converted to RB. Adams was a 2014 second round pick. Before that, they hadn't used a top three round pick on a WR since 2011 with Cobb. It really has been an ignored position for several years. A mid-level FA or two might have been better than hoping for a starting level #2 WR from low draft picks and free agents. 

82 Rodgers in Decline?

Looked terrific at times but not so at others. 70 yard TD march to end 1st half was a thing of beauty. Hasn't been a very good year so far. He can scramble.Body language seems he blames his receivers.

87 He played a very tough slate…

He played a very tough slate of defences the first three weeks. Opponent adjustments will be kind to him, one would imagine.

By the same token, the Packers defense spent the first three weeks feasting on the blunders of Trubisky, Cousins and Flacco. Last night was some reality setting in against an actually good offence. 

94 That stat line is actually…

That stat line is actually too generous considering how he's played. It's not even the Patriots outplaying or out-scheming the Bills; he's whiffed on at least four open receivers and taken two completely unnecessary sacks that pushed the Bills out of FG range. 

90 There are other games…

There are other games happening this week too, lol

Tuned into BAL-CLE a bit late. Lamar Jackson threw a nice long pass to a wide - WIDE - open receiver on the sideline, who put a foot out of bounds when he landed. A professional caliber receiver has to come down with that cleanly. Good lord.

The Browns on the next possession ran a sort of double reverse (announcer called it a "triple reverse") to Beckham, but instead of just running with it they had him do his best Lamar Jackson impression, escaping a "sack" to heave a bomb down field to an open receiver... who lets it go straight through his hands. Awesome play, that drop was just tragic.

A few plays later Mayfield gets picked on a pass play on third and short (play call/design might have been too cute for its own good). The Ravens' d is quite good and that was a nice play by the guy who got the pick (forgot who), but it does seem to be a regular occurrence that Mayfield has trouble seeing the field.

Some of that is inexperience but some of it seems to be height - Russell Wilson he is not - and between that and the iffy arm strength (he seems to need to get his whole body into it in order to gun it into a small window, which is fine when he has time but not when he's on the run), I am increasingly skeptical that his upside is much higher than what he is right now. He's pretty good - for some reason today he's reminding me of Matt Hasselbeck - but maybe not quite a franchise player. Can't really say for sure until we see what he could do behind a real offensive line, though - but this is the Browns, we might be waiting for that until the heat death of the universe.

Just now he makes a nice sneak on 4th and 1 inside the Ravens' 10 with 30 seconds left to move the chains, to his credit. I'm usually pretty aggressive but I might've kicked the FG, considering the time and the quality of the Ravens' D. But fortune favors the bold (until they promptly go 3 and out over 20 seconds and end up kicking the FG anyway).

93 The Patriots have a blocked…

The Patriots have a blocked punt for a TD and the Bills missed a FG at the end of the half, but somehow only lead by ten. The only keeping it from a total blowout is the fact the Bills defense has been all over Brady, making him look foolish at times. McDermott should really be getting more kudos for his defensive prowess, this performance has been quite impressive.

However, nothing can compare to any kind of foolishness compared to the inanity of trading up for Trash Allen, who is single-handedly losing this game for the Bills and with the aid of the irresponsible FO who TRADED UP for him, single-handedly setting back the franchise multiple years.

96 And the Ravens finally turn…

And the Ravens finally turn the ball over, nice forced fumble and recovery by the Browns.

Also, the other highly regarded Chubb from the 2018 draft is real good, ran for a nice TD and another big gain when both seemed to be bottled up. If he's healthy I expect he'll continue to get the bulk of the carries once Hunt returns.

100 He does it again and…

He does it again and suddenly the Browns are up by 2 TDs.

The Browns' defense hasn't been dominant exactly, but they've managed to bend without breaking, as they say. The Ravens are facing a pretty heavy lift heading into the 4th.

101 Well they broke. Ravens…

Well they broke. Ravens marched right down the field, hit Andrews for a wide open TD. They line up for 2 and Garrett gets drawn offside, and they run it in from even shorter. Now 24-18 with about 10 minutes left.

102 Uuhhhhh well, speaking of…

Uuhhhhh well, speaking of breaking, first play of the ensuing possession Chubb runs all the way to the end zone. 88 yards, untouched. Went for 2 and failed, 12 point game.

97 4 (four!) off-setting…

4 (four!) offsetting personal fouls from a bit of a brawl now. Beckham was blocking on a screen and basically tackled his guy by the facemask, scrum ensues. Fines incoming this week for sure.

98 I'm not watching Chiefs…

I'm not watching Chiefs-Lions, but I saw the Lions had first and goal at the 1. Then the scoreboard goes to 'play under review.' I just assumed it was probably a review Detroit scoring a TD. Instead it turns out to be a 100-yard Chiefs fumble return. That's wild. A defensive score on first and goal from the 1 is the biggest turnaround you can have in a single play.

103 I hate when mcdaniels gets…

I hate when mcdaniels gets like this and starts turning every set of Downs into 2 aND 9 with a shitty run up the middle.

He's so good sometimes, and so awful others.

108 This has perplexed me my…

This has perplexed me my entire football watching life. I get that it's not always one-to-one (e.g., offensive holding is 10 yards, but defensive is 5 plus the 1st, so if offsetting on 1st and 10, is the next down 1st and 10 or 1st and 5 or 2nd and 5?), but that's not intractable. At the very least, it seems like personal fouls ought to always take precedence.

105 I really, really hate that a…

I really, really hate that a holding on offense negates a horrible helmet-to-helmet hit. The Pats player deserves ejection, that was dirty.

135 Head Hit

I think this is only mostly true; In the context of the play it's 100% clear that Allen is dropping his head to try to fight for a critical first down - and that there is a good chance he could have gotten it if the Patriot defender doesn't hit him. Allen lowering his head makes it almost impossible to make a hit preventing a first down that doesn't connect with Allen's head. I'm not sure it's fair to say that the Patriot defender lead with his shoulder, but he definitely had his head up in proper tackling technique; If you put 10 LB's in that position in that game situation, I doubt that you'll see one that doesn't make that hit and offers up the first down. 

You see this kind of hit in most games between an LB and a RB (or slot WR), and is rarely flagged, the offensive player is not defenseless and initiate lowering his helmet. When a QB does this you almost always get a flag, and I think that's stupid and wrong (though it's one of those things that just is what it is in a league that markets QB's this way). This is the kind of situation where you really wish your QB was smarter than to take on an NFL linebacker in a game the Bills had a real chance to win - It's really a hard thing to learn when all your life you've been a big strong guy on the field compared to everyone else (I call it Erik Lindros syndrome), but NFL LB's and safeties won't let you do that to avoid injuring you, it's never going to be a thing (without persistent suspensions or 7 point penalties or something stupid like that).

140 Looks like...

"Looks like Jones lined Allen up and hit him square in the helmet to me" - that's true except the lined up part; As the Patriot defender lines up to hit Allen, Allen lowers his head as he extends toward the first down.

"and certainly appeared intentional" - Depends what you mean by intentional, the Patriot defender certainly knew that hitting the Offensive player would hit his head if Allen kept doing what he was doing. The Patriot defender did it anyways with predicatable results.

"I thought it was dirty" - This part is BS. The guy is clearly trying to acomplish a football goal by making that hit that can't be acomplished any other way. Is the calculated decision of the defender wrong, yes, but only because it happens to be a QB that's running right at him extending his head. If that's a RB there is almost no chance a flag gets thrown.

141 I can only find zoomed-in…

I can only find zoomed-in replays of the hit right now, but another defender initiates contact with Allen before Jones gets there and looks like he knocks him towards Jones as he's coming in - I don't think you can accuse the defender of lining up Allen when Allen's position changes right before the defender arrives. Like others mention, it's hard to avoid hits like this when a ballcarrier is moving forward, lowers his head, and you're trying to stop him from gaining those yards.

107 Weird part about Josh Allen…

Weird part about Josh Allen getting knocked out of the game is it might raise the Bills chances in this game, even if it's bad in the long run. He may have been improved in previous games this season, but today he has three picks.

109 That's about it, folks…

That's about it, folks. Ravens go 4th and out on a bad miscommunication between Jackson and Andrews. Browns kick FG. Next drive, Ravens have to gamble, Jackson heaves it about 50 yards into double-coverage and Whitehead of the Browns comes up with the nice pick and touchback.

I don't think that was a bad decision - and I do think a better receiver times that ball better and at least bats it away, maybe even catches the TD. The broken 4th looked like it was on Andrews too, although it's hard to say. But Jackson seems like a real keeper, these other guys... not so much.

Oh my god then he gets hit as he throws and the DT picks it. No picks for 8 games and now 2 within about 3 minutes. Neither one was entirely his fault - especially the second, replay shows the RB literally running away from the blitzing Whitehead instead of picking up the block. Get this man a better supporting cast.

113 Well it looked to me

As if there were two rushers coming in his gap and he took the one closest to the inside, which seems reasonable to me. Pretty hard to block two guys, so go for the one with the shortest distance to the QB.

121 Haven't seen a replay since,…

Haven't seen a replay since, but what I recall was that the line had somebody on the inside rusher already. RB saw Whitehead coming straight at him, sort of faked a chip and then went to help on the other guy. Maybe that guy was beating the block and RB had to help, but someone up front needed to get a piece of the guy sprinting straight through the line into the backfield.

110 A game like this must be…

A game like this must be insanely frustrating for members of the Bills defense. They've essentially been dominating one of the best offenses in the league all game, but their own terrible offense (and special teams) is probably going to ensure they lose anyway.

115 I'd be really surprised if…

I'd be really surprised if at the end of the season, you're describing the Patriots offence In the same way. 

 

It's still early, and hopefully the line will get better, but this unit is significantly worse than it has been in a long time. It's tough to be sure because of the increase in pressure, Brady's accuracy looks really suspect to me. He looked pretty bad last week against a really mediocre Jets team. 

111 Man, the Patriots defense…

Man, the Patriots defense has really bailed out their offense today.

Not sure if its all the line issues, or if Buffalo's D is actually good, but I think there's some problems here.

112 It's so frustrating. The…

It's so frustrating. The Bills have a championship-level defense. Like a defense that can bring home a championship with adequate QB and ST play. You know, like the Patriots have. What I would give to have any of the QBs the Bills had a chance to draft before Allen: Mahomes, Watson, Lamar Jackson, even Rosen I think excels with this coaching staff and talent around him.

Allen is just the worst.

114 The three QBs in Bills…

The three QBs in Bills-Patriots combined to go 40/83 for 430 yards and five interceptions. Both of these teams should probably have run more.

117 If Develin were healthy, I…

If Develin were healthy, I believe the Patriots would've run more.  Michel seems to be at his best with a lead blocker.  When the Pats resort to Bolden as a rusher rather than as the 2nd-best special teams guy, it's not due to a surplus of RB versatility/quality.

116 Just tuned into CHI-MIN and…

Just tuned into CHI-MIN and Chase Daniel is in for the Bears. Did Trubisky get hurt? I see he attempted a few passes. The announcers haven't said anything yet.

118 Playing defense against the…

Playing defense against the Chiefs must be no fun at all. Felt like the Lions were good in coverage for most of the afternoon, were getting a pretty good pass rush early (no sacks but Mahomes was flushed out of the pocket many times), and they forced 4 fumbles (one on special teams) - but then you look at the final stats and realize KC still ended up with 438 yards at 6.5 yards per clip, 29 first downs, and 34 points (27 by the O). Even when they're not in rhythm, they can create big plays out of nothing (the Kelce flip to McCoy was awesome) and just wear you out.

126 Irritating play/penalty…

Irritating play/penalty. Vikes throw incomplete, guy dropped it (might've been 3rd down too, don't remember), Bear picks it up and runs it into the endzone, pursued by 2 Vikings who basically tackle him in the endzone. Another Bear runs up and, doesn't really "hit" but taps one of the Vikes, they get in each other's faces and start jawing. Ref throws the flag, personal foul on the Bear who came in "late" to a play that never happened. I really don't see how that flag was more justified than one for either of the two guys who actually hit somebody probably literally 5 full seconds after the whistle, but in the grand scheme none of that should've happened (even if review somehow turned it into a fumble, the advance wouldn't be awarded, so I have no idea what that guy was doing).

Bears seemed rattled for a bit, got 2 more penalties on the same drive to keep the Vikes moving. Then someone forced a fumble on a close play (originally ruled incomplete), Bears' ball again. Storm and fury signifying nothing, but wasting a lot of time.

128 Vikings and Bears combined…

Vikings and Bears combined for 5 drives in the first half! 2 for Vikes, 3 for Bears. I would guess that either ties or sets the NFL record for fewest drives in a half.

129 Football at the movie theater.

Rather than the inevitability of trying to watch while distracted by two young kids, figured I'd try out watching the game at the local AMC theater. Gotta say, not a bad experience for a $15 including soda and popcorn. Sure beats a sports bar.

One announcer just asked, "if Josh Lambo is getting free meals in Jacksonville, what's Garder Minshew getting?" The other responded with something like, "oh, we know what he's getting down there...we know what he's getting." Did I miss something, or was that really a "I women are offering him tons of sex" joke in the middle of an NFL game?

138 "Free" admission if you…

"Free" admission if you prepay for $10 in food, so really not bad at all. Fairly quiet, but can't imagine it's well known to most people yet (I think it's a new thing). Have to imagine there would be some demand, especially at locations that serve food and alcohol. 

144 Only the second game of his…

Only the second game of his I've ever seen, but so far I'm relatively pleased overall.

The only other game I've seen him play was the game against Washington last year when they had the random blizzard. He looked like a guy who had never seen snow in his life.

139 Chase Daniels

Just closing in on the end of the 3rd quarter. Not sure what DVOA will say at the end of the day, but Daniels looks pretty comfortable running the Bears offence. Not a lot of points, but I haven't seem him put his D in a bad spot (and his D are absolutely eating the Vikes' O). I haven't watched the whole game, so maybe I missed something.

142 It's still mostly underneath…

In reply to by Lost Ti-Cats Fan

It's still mostly underneath stuff, but Daniel looks like he's able to make decisive reads and accurate throws from the pocket, which has mostly been beyond Trubisky so far this season.

143 I've only watched the second…

I've only watched the second half, but the Bears defense has been completely dominant. Except for one long fourth down conversion seemingly every Vikings play has been a loss or a pointless gain on third and forever.

145 Goff has almost 500 passing…

Goff has almost 500 passing yards. If this game goes to OT he'll have a good chance to break Norm Van Brocklin's single game passing yardage record.

EDIT: A fumble recovered by Suh for a TD ensures that won't happen.

146 Minshew magic! Got hit low…

Minshew magic! Got hit low and looked like he might come out - still looks gimpy - but he stayed in, got wacked again (iffy roughing the passer on Miller, I guess he hit pretty close to neck/throat), then hit the receiver with running room to take it way down into FG range. Great job dragging defenders a long way too.

Just now hit another guy who carried a defender well past the 1st, down inside the 10.

Am suddenly reminded of the "Jacksonville receivers are tall!" days with Reggie Williams and Matt "Not Badger" Jones. On the last couple of plays, the current set were what those guys were supposed to be.