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Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

Your weekend viewing plans (all times Eastern): SATURDAY: Indianapolis at Houston, 4:35 p.m.; Seattle at Dallas, 8:15 p.m. SUNDAY: L.A. Chargers at Baltimore, 1:05 p.m.; Philadelphia at Chicago, 4:40 p.m. Win or go home. Use this thread to discuss them all.

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249 comments, Last at 21 Feb 2019, 8:57pm

1 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Yu Narukami // Jan 05, 2019 - 8:32am

Picks are in:

IND@HOU: this is an even match-up but I'll go with the experienced good QB + better coach (or coach who still hadn't the chance to show his mediocrity on the PO). COLTS

SEA@DAL: I think Seattle is a better overall team and I'll add the same reasoning as above. SEAHAWKS

PHI@CHI: Winter Foles is not getting hot on the road. BEARS

LACH@BAL: another even match-up. I'll go with the home team, but I wouldn't bet any money on this. RAVENS.

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2 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Raiderjoe // Jan 05, 2019 - 8:51am

Picks

Texnas 27, Clots 23
Seahawks 23, Cowbous 17
Ravens 23, Chargees 20
Bears 30, Eagles 17

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9 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Stendhal1 // Jan 05, 2019 - 1:01pm

Raider joe, I love how the Indianapolis team always comes out as the “Clots” in your forecasts. You’re a good man and I wish you condolences on the unsettled geographical state of your team.

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11 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 05, 2019 - 4:57pm

Chargees is a new good one, too

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214 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Raiderjoe // Jan 06, 2019 - 9:54pm

Was poster drunk??

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222 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 06, 2019 - 10:52pm

Haha, wow 0-4 is impressive, although I don't think a single poster here picked the Eags

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by BywaterBrat // Jan 05, 2019 - 10:52am

Texans 20, Colts 24
Seahawks 20, Cowboys 23
Ravens 16, Chargers 20
Bears 20 Eagles 17

Wouldn't bet on any of these games.

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by medelste // Jan 05, 2019 - 11:17am

Colts 24, Texans 20
Cowboys 26, Seahawks 23 (OT)
Ravens 24, Chargers 20
Bears 24, Eagles 16

GO BEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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5 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Damon // Jan 05, 2019 - 11:28am

Houston by 3

Seattle by 4

Chargers by 3

Bears by 7

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6 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by zevgadol // Jan 05, 2019 - 12:23pm

Zev
I watch betting trends and pick trends. Cowboys opened at -2.5. Early on public betting heavily (70%) on SEA lowered spread to -1. Pickwatch split was about 70:30 SEA. Trend completely reversed the last two days. Betting is now even, spread back to 2.5 and Pickwatch at 55% SEA. All 3 other match ups stable after opening two days.

Wonder if injuries or other info has surfaced that might affect the SEA - DAL game?

My picks: IND by 7; SEA by 7; LAC by 2; CHI by 7.

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7 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Sixknots // Jan 05, 2019 - 12:24pm

I also would not bet on these games. OK, maybe Bears to win. But they all are likely to turn on funny bounces and turnovers.

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8 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by drillz // Jan 05, 2019 - 12:45pm

Deshaun Watson now has the opportunity to show Bill O'Brien why he should have been the week one starting quarterback in 2017.

Ind 38 Hou 35

Sea 27 Dal 24

Lac 20 Bal 19

Chi 24 Phi 14

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87 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano // Jan 06, 2019 - 2:06pm

"Deshaun Watson now has the opportunity to show Bill O'Brien why he should have been the week one starting quarterback in 2017."

I think Tom Savage did quite enough to show that. Yesterday's game doesn't really change my mind. Watson did the best he could with a bottom 5 offensive line and a gimpy WR1 (supplemented by a bunch of practice squad pass catchers). I still think his future is bright.

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10 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 05, 2019 - 3:14pm

Ok, here would be my picks:
Texans over Colts. (Probably wrong, but I'm going with it anyway)
Seahawks over Cowboys.
Chargers over Ravens (But just barely, might as well throw 1 or 2 Phillip Rivers picks countered by the same amount of Lamar Jackson fumbles)
Bears over Eagles.

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12 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 05, 2019 - 5:12pm

Picks ar ein!

Clots 35 Texa 23
Sea 27 Cowbouys 10

Eags 17 Beras 24
Charges 17 Raves 13

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13 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cheesehead_Canuck // Jan 05, 2019 - 5:23pm

Here are my picks Raiderjoe style:

Clots - 30, Taxens - 21
Shithawks - 24, Cobos - 20
Chargees - 20, Raves - 16
Breads - 22, Eags - 13

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14 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by joe football // Jan 05, 2019 - 5:33pm

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249 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Rivers McCown // Feb 21, 2019 - 8:57pm

Is there a way I can get an invite to this Discord? I went diving for links but all of them were expired.

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15 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mr Shush // Jan 05, 2019 - 5:44pm

"Something about NRG stadium brings out the best in TY Hilton," says the commentator. The terrible opposing secondary, maybe?

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75 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Jan 06, 2019 - 12:54am

+1

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16 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 05, 2019 - 6:19pm

It took J.J. Watt for the Texans to get an INT.

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17 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by rj1 // Jan 05, 2019 - 6:22pm

Can anyone remember a worse 1st quarter by a home team in a playoff game?

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18 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 05, 2019 - 6:28pm

I think Pittsburgh last year was worse, correct me if I'm wrong.

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85 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by dmb // Jan 06, 2019 - 12:49pm

Both games had the visitors up by 14 and with possession at the end of the quarter, so it seems pretty close to me. Jaguars had the ball in their own territory at the end of the quarter, while the Colts were again in opposing territory at that point, so I guess last night may have been slightly worse.

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21 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by RickD // Jan 05, 2019 - 6:32pm

Unfortunately, yes.

Pats v. Ravens 2010 comes to mind.

First play: 83 yard TD by Ray Rice

second play on offense, fumble leads to quick Raven TD.

third drive: INT leads to Raven TD

fourth drive: INT leads to Raven FG.

Down 24-0 by end of Q1.
\
2nd worst Patriot playoff game I've ever seen.

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22 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cheesehead_Canuck // Jan 05, 2019 - 6:33pm

Maybe these same Houston Texans a few years back when they got shut out by KC.

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54 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by mehllageman56 // Jan 05, 2019 - 9:00pm

The Jets-Bills 81 season wild card game was about as bad for the Jets as that Pats game; fumble returned for touchdown on opening kickoff, long scores, down 24-0 by the end of the first quarter. The Jets did almost comeback, losing by 4 with an interception while driving for the go ahead score. The Dolphins beat that the next week, turning 24-0 at first quarter end into 24-17 at halftime, with the hook and ladder touchdown play. The 81 playoffs were really fun.

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84 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by dmb // Jan 06, 2019 - 12:43pm

Looks like you and RickD identified the two games with the highest scoring margin by a visiting team after the first quarter of a playoff game. (Oh, how I love PFR...)

Nice work!

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19 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 05, 2019 - 6:29pm

What idiot thought the Colts were the worst NFL team at any point in 2018? All subjective power rankings are worthless.

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20 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Jan 05, 2019 - 6:32pm

Somebody employed by a major media organisation who faces no penalty or accountability for their incorrect/absurd views?

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23 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by RickD // Jan 05, 2019 - 6:37pm

Well, not the absolute worst, but they didn't look all that impressive starting out 1-5, with their sole victory over the Redskins.

They gave up 117 points in three games to lose to the Texans, Pats, and Jets!

OTOH, they've been kicking butt and taking names the last three months.

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29 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Jan 05, 2019 - 7:13pm

The Cardinals and Bills have been competing all season to put up the worst offensive performance ever. It's simply absurd to suggest the Colts were ever approaching that level.

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45 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by RickD // Jan 05, 2019 - 8:25pm

Like I said, not the absolute worst. But a 1-5 start is pretty bad. They literally had the worst record in the NFL at the time.
Yes, the Cards and Bills had much worse offenses. But they also were playing defense better than Indy.

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51 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Jan 05, 2019 - 8:38pm

The Bills have been out of the running for that title for essentially the entire second half of the season. As mentioned in the latest DVOA ratings, they were only slightly below average beginning in Week 10.

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77 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Dan // Jan 06, 2019 - 1:34am

Not DVOA, which had them at 19th after their 1-5 start.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2018/week-6-dvoa-ratings

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24 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by RickD // Jan 05, 2019 - 6:39pm

Texans don't look like a playoff team here. Also: Reich is seriously outcoaching the Texans' staff.

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25 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by young curmudgeon // Jan 05, 2019 - 6:41pm

That sound you just heard is people all across America turning off their televisions. Except in Indiana.

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26 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Raiderjoe // Jan 05, 2019 - 6:54pm

Texabs playing liek 2-legged cat trying to bury a turd it just uncorked

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27 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Bobman // Jan 05, 2019 - 7:05pm

RJ
That was awesome and pretty accurate.

This game, for “clots” fans, is almost as good as having the OL highlighted in Word of Muth this week.
Okay. It’s better, but close.
It’s been a good year, mostly, for the horseshoe.

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53 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by turbohappy // Jan 05, 2019 - 8:59pm

"They will not be running the ball effectively. At all. The Texans have one of the best rush defense DVOAs of all time."

FO analysis is almost always spot on. But sometimes it's beautiful when it's somehow wrong.

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80 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Will Allen // Jan 06, 2019 - 8:49am

This really illuminates my suspicion that many of the historically great run defense DVOAs in recent years are in good measure attributable to the fact that so few offenses emphasize running the ball. The supposedly great Texans run defense comes against an oline that does just that, and the Texans run defense gets curbstomped.

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28 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Bobman // Jan 05, 2019 - 7:07pm

Colts individual units all seem to be doing their jobs. OL. WRs, RBs, D top to bottom. Hard to top it. I pray they don’t collapse.

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30 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 05, 2019 - 7:25pm

Is the Texans' pass rush totally asleep? Or is the Colts O-Line THAT good? (Just check. 4.4% ASR. Looks pretty good alright)

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31 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Bobman // Jan 05, 2019 - 7:36pm

What’s the review of one of my favorite punching bags in the booth, Jason Witten?
I think he’s actually done well today. Amazing.

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32 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Jan 05, 2019 - 7:43pm

Witten has improved considerably over the course of the season IMO.He still struggles to get his point across smoothly, and his overall tone is bland, but you can tell he understands the game. The less said about the rest of this crew the better.

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35 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 05, 2019 - 7:56pm

I haven't been paying close attention since halftime, but thought he's been terrible as usual. The biggest thing that stands out to me is waiting until the Texans failed on their 4th down try at the end of the half to start criticising the decision to go for it, even though it was clearly the right call (would it make any difference if it was 21-3 right now?).

The bit about how momentum is soo important, followed immediately about how Watson can lead the Texans back (despite the all-important momentum he was just on about), was also bad.

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46 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by RickD // Jan 05, 2019 - 8:26pm

He's better than Booger.

Admittedly a very low standard.

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34 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Jan 05, 2019 - 7:53pm

Seems as though Hopkins is playing hurt, and the rest of Houston's receivers are scrubs. I'd like to have seen Watson use his legs a little more (especially on the 4th downs), but the receiver injuries, combined with the poor blocking, are really too much for him to overcome. A shame.

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33 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by NukeTheWhales // Jan 05, 2019 - 7:51pm

Haven't watched alot of Texan's games this year, but I know at least in his rookie year Watson made a living off a big plays and the Colts seem to be doing a good job keeping everything in front while leaving a spy to keep him from taking off. The lack of a slot receiver or a tight end to work the underneath or seam combined with some great tackling seems to have killed the Texans offense.

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39 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 05, 2019 - 8:04pm

That's a touchback

ETA: wow, that's as close as that John Stones clearance out of the goal the other day

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36 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 05, 2019 - 8:01pm

Oh god. Yet another fumble out of the endzone = touchback possibility,

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37 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by rj1 // Jan 05, 2019 - 8:02pm

If this TD becomes a touchback, that is the most horrible thing if you're a Houston fan looking for hope.

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38 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 05, 2019 - 8:04pm

TD? What? WHAT? That seriously looks like a fumble.

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42 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Purds // Jan 05, 2019 - 8:12pm

I wonder if this were a 1-score game if they would have called that a TD. Looked like a fumble.

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44 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 05, 2019 - 8:23pm

I think it was the correct call. He still had the ball when it crossed about 1 cm over the front of the line

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47 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by RickD // Jan 05, 2019 - 8:28pm

That was clearly a TD. Ball crossed the plane before it hit the ground. Didn't come lose until it hit the ground.

Having said that, if I were the coach, I would flagellate any player who did the "extend-and-fumble" move at the goal line. It's a great was to lose possession. And, really, what's the downside of having the ball at the 1 yard line?

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by Jose21crisis // Jan 05, 2019 - 8:10pm

Damn, that deflection went FAR backwards.

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41 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Pen // Jan 05, 2019 - 8:11pm

I'm late to the predictions thread but I won't cheat, I was picking the Texans.
Texans.
Seahawks.
Bears.
Chargers. (or is that Chargees?) Love ya Raiderjoe :)

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48 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 05, 2019 - 8:29pm

LA San Diego Chargers is also acceptable

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43 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by BywaterBrat // Jan 05, 2019 - 8:21pm

Haven't been paying much attention but Watson seems to feel phantom pressure a good bit leading to bad throws.

Luck on the other hand has been so solid in the face of legitimate pressure.

Stoked to see Deshaun with a chance to do his thing in the final 5 minutes.

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49 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by BywaterBrat // Jan 05, 2019 - 8:29pm

Nvm guess the Colts can run when it matters.

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50 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by RickD // Jan 05, 2019 - 8:30pm

Hold on tight, KC!
Here come the Colts!

(But really, the Chiefs should be able to handle the Colts.)

(Not that "should be" has meant much for the Chiefs in recent years.)

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81 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Will Allen // Jan 06, 2019 - 9:03am

I haven't looked at the money line, but it isn't hard to envision the Colts offense (man, is it ever great to see Luck playing behind a good line) pulling off an upset by never getting off the field. Of course, if the Chiefs score tds on their first two possessions, the task become much more difficult, but you could do worse in shopping for a road upset than excellent blocking and quarterbacking against a bad defense.

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83 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Jan 06, 2019 - 12:39pm

This is true. What I can't get a gauge on from the last two weeks is the strength of the Colts defense, and whether they will be able to slow the Chiefs in any meaningful way. Shutting down Blaine Gabbert in week 17 was obviously meaningless, and once it became evident yesterday that Hopkins was in no way healthy, Houston had nothing to offer beyond some Watson scrambling.

Keeping the Chiefs off the field will undoubtedly help, but not giving up multiple massive plays to this offense is still a huge challenge.

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52 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Jan 05, 2019 - 8:44pm

If the Texans had held on against the Eagles two weeks ago they would've been hosting a game in the Divisional round. Instead they are blown out and eliminated a whole week earlier.

Anyway, this result is good for the Chiefs and bad for the Patriots. Ravens and Chargers are both considerably better than the Texans. Colts are better too but I would still put them behind LA and Baltimore.

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78 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Yu Narukami // Jan 06, 2019 - 6:41am

But, by looking at long-term scenarios and from Pats' perspective, the Colts are a nice road team (better than Ravens, and you can't trust the Chargers to have a clean PO game) to put an high-score upset in KC and let NE hosting the AFCCG. And I can't see the Pats winning in KC this year.

Yeah, I know there still a divisional before, but that's currently Belichick's problem. :)

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55 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by BywaterBrat // Jan 05, 2019 - 9:17pm

Pretty much I see SEA struggling immensely against DAL as it is just a horrible matchup. That said Wilson should be good for 17 points or so.

Dallas could very well completely implode but really if they just take what is there then I think they will win at home.

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56 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Pen // Jan 05, 2019 - 9:27pm

Red Zone defense already stepping up as expected. Dallas really poor in the red zone, Seattle exceptionally good in the red zone.

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57 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Pen // Jan 05, 2019 - 9:34pm

3rd and 2 seems like the perfect time to go play action with Davis or Carson. Don't get that empty backfield.

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58 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by vrao81 // Jan 05, 2019 - 10:13pm

Lockett with the 40 yard catch...what he does best!

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59 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Pen // Jan 05, 2019 - 10:13pm

Oh look, the Seahawks are ready to play now.

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60 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Jan 05, 2019 - 10:16pm

Not running into a stacked box on first and second down helps.

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61 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Pen // Jan 05, 2019 - 10:17pm

And then they ran it twice and only passed when Dallas knew they could blitz and came away with a FG.

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62 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Pen // Jan 05, 2019 - 10:30pm

And Lockett makes an amazing catch to maintain the perfect Wilson to Lockett passer rating. 158.3
They're Nadia baby.

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63 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Pen // Jan 05, 2019 - 10:47pm

we might see a drop kick FG in the second half.

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67 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by rj1 // Jan 06, 2019 - 12:05am

Rugby-style for the win!

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64 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Pen // Jan 05, 2019 - 11:35pm

Even if Seattle hangs on to win this one, it's hard to see them having very good chances going forward without a FG kicker.

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72 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Jan 06, 2019 - 12:27am

Sebanikowski is way past his prime in any case.

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65 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 05, 2019 - 11:41pm

There are a lot more guys who are good at play-by-play than there are good "color" announcers, yet Fox has a terrible color guy paired with a terrible pbp guy. I think Aikman has been having a relatively good year, compared to his usual suckitude, but Buck has been horrible too.

"Prescott keeps it," Buck informs us, as the QB is clearly on a designed bootleg as he's throwing the ball…

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69 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Arson55 // Jan 06, 2019 - 12:08am

I'd probably put Aikman as more slightly below average (I mean there are a lot of bad color guys), but Buck is possibly the worst play-by-play guy in football, and then he's even worse at baseball. And yet he somehow remains Fox's top broadcaster for some reason. It's baffling.

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70 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 06, 2019 - 12:15am

"Cooper is one-on-one with no help," Buck tries before the snap, attempting a Romo. Cooper was in doubled in bracket coverage on the play (as I was pretty sure he would be)

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66 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Steve in WI // Jan 05, 2019 - 11:59pm

Good God, Seattle’s offense is awful. Whoever came up with this game plan should be fired immediately.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano // Jan 06, 2019 - 2:03pm

Unsurprisingly, Brian Schottenheimer was prominently involved.

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68 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Jan 06, 2019 - 12:07am

Seattle has been second best all day and is lucky to be this close. If they manage a stop here they still have some hope left though.

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71 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Jan 06, 2019 - 12:16am

Well, that game was just frustrating to watch if you were cheering for the Seahawks. Terrible offense from Seattle.

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73 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Jan 06, 2019 - 12:28am

Worse defense. Who leaves Cooper open in the middle of the field?

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74 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Jan 06, 2019 - 12:52am

The offense had only 224 yards before that last drive.

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76 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cogitus // Jan 06, 2019 - 1:23am

Absolutely hilarious way to cover a 2.5 point spread: have your kicker get injured early on so when you get a meaningless TD in garbage time you have to go for two to make it 24-22 instead of 24-21. Funniest and most unlikely win I’ve had for my limited betting career

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by justanothersteve // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:59pm

I think going for two makes more sense there anyway. If you miss, you can still go for a TD to win. Make it and a FG lets you escape with a win in a game you had no business winning. Plus, if you are down two and the other team scores a quick TD and misses the XP, you can tie the game with a TD and two point conversion. You're unlikely to win the game anyway, so you might as well go for broke.

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79 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by umuddafadda // Jan 06, 2019 - 7:01am

so far what I got from sat games:
a) Watson is totally innacurate...he'll win games in reg season, then when pressured or
even without it, he's a liability to that team
b) if you can stop Seattle's run game, they are toast...RW is great guy but can't carry a team
(needs run game and great D to make it)...hey even Trent Dilfer won a SB
c) Dak & the boys will lose next game (Dak holds onto the ball too long)...doesn't see field well
d) Colts are good this year & possibly great next year...Luck(y) benefited greatly wi/HC..he
used to call on his genes & be like his dad (Oliver) & tuck 'n run too quickly but now is
efficient QB-possible SB pick next year & even this year!

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by BJR // Jan 06, 2019 - 2:24pm

a) Watson is not, and probably never will be the most accurate QB. But the overall package of extreme elusiveness and arm strength still makes him a very dangerous opponent. Last night Hopkins was playing through a serious knee injury, and they were already down to practice squad players at the other receiver positions because of injury. The offensive line has been bad all season long. It was too much for almost any QB in history to overcome. Labeling him a liability is ridiculous.

b) If you can stop Seattle's run game and they continue to relentlessly run the ball anyway then yes, they are toast. There is no defense for Seattle's gameplan, and refusal to adjust yesterday. Wilson has shown many times he can turn it loose and win games on his own. Mentioning him in the same sentence as Trent Dilfer is beyond nonsensical.

c) Agree that the Dallas offense is not good enough in terms of personnel or coaching to win a road game in January with any degree of likelihood. Barring a truly exceptional defensive effort, or random opponent meltdown, they will lose next week.

d) The Colts coaching staff/FO deserve credit, but they have also been lucky that Andrew Luck appears to have almost fully regained his physical prowess, which for a long time appeared very unlikely. Luck also won multiple playoff games under Chuck Pagano, so whilst Reich has undoubtedly done a good job thus far, I'm not ready to hail him as the next coming of Belichick just yet.

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229 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by umuddafadda // Jan 07, 2019 - 6:56am

Watson insights will prove out (to my way of thinking)-give it time. Yes he's dangerous, but
50/50 dangerous in a good way/bad way, doesn't bode well for the overall arch of success.
BTW I threw in Dilfer because a fair QB that doesn't turn it over & a unbelievable defense can do it-Wilson apparently
needs that type of D (and hfa-home field advantage)...its shown (over time) to be true
Cowboys will lose next week, they have better personel (you don't think so but I do) but they'll lose...Dak
is/was a good college QB & he still is
Its pretty hard to see someone compare Pagano to Reich..night and day. Anyone worth their salt, in
NFL knowledge should be able to see that, even at this early stage. Most do. They are my SB pick for
next year. You see I *saw* Luck's father play in the NFL (ducked 'n ran WAY too much)....his son played
much the same for years, but now he's just a real NFL QB...pre-reads, stays in pocket & slides/vs run, goes
thru progressions, gets rid of ball is approx. 2-3 seconds (not 5-6 like Dak/Watson/Wilson et al), looks off safety.....
those qualities have proven time 'n time and TIME again, to be what a QB needs to get to (and win) the SB...yes there
are exceptions to the rule but 95% of time, its the proven path.

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by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Jan 07, 2019 - 8:35am

If you want to argue Wilson needs a D and HFA, then you should acknowledge Brees needs the same things.

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by Cythammer // Jan 06, 2019 - 11:38am

And what I learned from your comments (especially the first two) is that coming to conclusions on players and teams based on single games, rather than entire seasons or careers, is just maybe not the best method. Russell Wilson is Trent Dilfer? LOL. Wilson is probably on a HOF track.

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197 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Pen // Jan 06, 2019 - 8:50pm

HOF for sure. If he is smart he gets outta Seattle and plays for a team that will protect the QB and can call an offensive game plan.

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88 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano // Jan 06, 2019 - 2:17pm

Echoing what the posters above said, I'm having hard time seeing how you're blaming Russell Wilson for this loss. He averaged over 8 Y/A. It's not his fault that his coaches chose to keep trying to run the ball when it clearly wasn't working.

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89 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Jan 06, 2019 - 2:20pm

Three fumbles inside of 8 plays and 5 and a half minutes of playing time. Amazing in a very bad way.

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90 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 2:21pm

Well, I said that LAC and BAL would have an equal amount of turnovers, but BAL would be fumbles and LAC would be INTs, 2 or 3 to be specific. Half of it just became true.

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92 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 06, 2019 - 2:31pm

I'd like to see Jackson run out of bounds two yards sooner, rather than running into a hit to get every last possible cm.

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by LionInAZ // Jan 06, 2019 - 3:17pm

The way he's playing, he's not going to last long anyway, so he might as well get his licks in now.

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101 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 3:26pm

He could pull a Ben Roethlisberger and play solidly for a while. But he does need to stop voluntarily getting hits.

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93 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Jan 06, 2019 - 2:40pm

This is awful offense from the Ravens. I do wonder if they would be better off with Flacco in. He has a much better DVOA, although it's possible that's missing out on the benefit to the Ravens rushing game provided by Jackson.

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94 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 06, 2019 - 2:50pm

The Chargees have a guy named Damien Square, wearing #71. I really wish he had the #64 jersey, which would have made my morning. 64 is currently taken by a Cole Toner.

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95 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 2:57pm

Who to blame, Jackson for trying to fit that there, or the receiver for failing to bring in a pass (high, Jackson's fault but the only way he could catch it ) that hit him in the hands?

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96 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 3:05pm

That mauling of Keenan Allen is not DPI or Illegal Contact?

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97 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Eddo // Jan 06, 2019 - 3:10pm

I think Rivers was out of the pocket, which makes contact legal (until the ball was thrown).

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98 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 06, 2019 - 3:10pm

Matthew McConaughey: every year I get older, but my cars stay the saaame age

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100 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 3:22pm

BS. BS! How is THAT not false start?! Pouncey moving his head is drawing the offsides and neutral zone infractions!

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102 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Lowe_51 // Jan 06, 2019 - 3:30pm

Same as two weeks ago. Ravens DBs getting away with as much contact as they want. Oh, and Rivers getting tackled (after releasing the pass on the Allen drop) then landed on by the DL with his full body weight on top of him...but I can't remember the last time he drew a roughing the passer...NFL 2018/19

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105 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 3:41pm

Actually, it is same as always. DPI rules don't apply to Baltimore. Kind of like false starts don't apply to the Chargers.

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137 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:43pm

+0 (flags)

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141 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Lowe_51 // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:48pm

+1 HAHA

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139 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Lowe_51 // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:48pm

+1

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103 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Jan 06, 2019 - 3:31pm

The Chargers have got a kicker that makes kicks? In the playoffs??

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107 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Jan 06, 2019 - 3:43pm

And now big special teams plays? Have we entered an alternate dimension?

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112 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:10pm

Of course since we said it out loud, the Chargers special teams botch a field goal and get a punt blocked, and the Ravens are still in this game.

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104 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by TecmoBoso // Jan 06, 2019 - 3:38pm

Ravens have to feel very good about this only being 12-0.

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106 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 3:43pm

Defense keeping them in the game. Not so much offense (Watches the return) or special teams.

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108 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 3:46pm

Uhhh ... hmmm ... that incompletion looks more like a fumble. Also, Baltimore Special Teams making up for the kick return by denying points.

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109 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cheesehead_Canuck // Jan 06, 2019 - 3:52pm

So we’re gonna see Flacco on the next Balt drive right?

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115 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:17pm

I think that's Baltimore's best hope now. Maybe the LASD Chargers didn't prepare for Flacco.

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110 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 3:56pm

Oh, come on. You should force yourself to keep up, not caring about the ball when it's fourth down and a turnover it's irrelevant.

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111 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:09pm

Tucker missed a FG?!

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112 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by mathesond // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:10pm

The gods of Momentum and Narrative are having a ball in this 3rd quarter.

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114 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:14pm

Nine minutes until we see a first down in the second half. This has been a weird one.

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116 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by young curmudgeon // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:18pm

Just imagine if the only two football games you ever saw were the KC-LAR game earlier this year and then this one. Almost like watching a baseball game and then a cricket match.

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143 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by LondonMonarch // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:49pm

Although there are cricket matches which seem like baseball and baseball games that seem like cricket....

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117 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:20pm

Even if the Chargers are held to a FG here, Flacco has to come into the game. It's very hard to come back from multiple scores down in the fourth quarter in any circumstances, but even more so when your QB's primary strength is his rushing ability. Baltimore has 7 net yards passing in this game, you can't stick with the QB responsible for that.

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118 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:22pm

Uh, wow, that call seems definitely wrong to me. Hope the Chargers score and make that questionable decision irrelevant.

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119 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:23pm

... Would coaches stop running backwards 7 yards then 7 forwards and use the QB Sneak in 1st/2nd/3rd/4th and goal at the quarter of an inch line? Also, LA TD?

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125 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:28pm

Hell, they scored 3 TDs on their last 3 plays, although only one counted.

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144 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:49pm

The running play was clearly a fumble

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120 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:25pm

I don't really care about what's actually the right call on this second play, since the Chargers should already have scored last play. Hopefully the refs uphold this play, whether or not that's actually correct.

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121 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:25pm

Also, the refs allowed the return. They NEVER allow that for some reason, but this time, sure why not.

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by Dan_L // Jan 06, 2019 - 7:09pm

I think they did this specifically because the refs were criticized for blowing the whistle in the Ravens-Browns game.

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184 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Dan_L // Jan 06, 2019 - 7:19pm

And as I say that, the refs blow a whistle early in the Bears / Eagles game, so nothing makes sense.

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122 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Anger...rising // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:27pm

And the fact that the ball was left two full feet short of the goal line after the erroneously upheld call costs the Chargers a touchdown a second time. Well done all around.

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126 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:29pm

Man, I hadn't even thought about that aspect.

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123 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:28pm

LOL, and finally, two whole plays and two lengthy reviews later, the Chargers get the TD they deserved. What a bizarre sequence.

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148 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by LondonMonarch // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:52pm

Horrendous officiating.

The initial catch was a TD- broke the plane before he was touched.

The run was just short, but how did they think the nose of the ball was at the half-yard line?!!

Given the possible fumble, why did they blow the play dead before the return?

And these are supposed to be the best officials doing the playoffs!!!

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124 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:28pm

Something is wrong with defenses covering Chargers 2 point plays. Why they always leave a receiver to hang around on his own with so much end zone around him?

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129 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by young curmudgeon // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:33pm

If Flacco comes in and leads them to a comeback win, I might just give up on football. Although I don’t know why he isn’t in.

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127 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:32pm

Flacco still not going in??!! I mean... if it were a choice between not Jackson and Flacco, but Jackson and RGIII, I'm pretty sure I would still be going with the backup. This has been an incredibly bad game for Jackson. Don't know what Harbaugh is thinking.

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128 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:32pm

Geez. The whole stadium booed Jackson taking the field. Understandable for any point. On the other hand, the run game boost provided by Jackson is moot right now. Flacco is more efficient passing. They should put him in if they want this.

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130 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:36pm

You know things are bad when a Sam Koch punt goes out on Baltimore's side of the field, and Justin Tucker missed a FG already. Now, really, did Harbaugh gave up on the game already? Or he thinks Jackson will break out and start doing magic? Or he's taking care of Jackson's (apparently battered by the crowd) confidence? Whatever it is, I don't see a reason to not go to Flacco other than the Flacco offense being old and everyone needing to get in tune with it. Hell, the classic offense of chucking it up and hoping for a DPI might just work.

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131 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:37pm

Shuddering to imagine Jackson's DYAR for this game

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132 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by young curmudgeon // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:39pm

Everyone looking forward to years of Jackson-Mayfield matchups might want to calm down a little. I recognize that this is just one game, but if the Chargees are establishing a roadmap for handling Baltimore, other teams will notice.

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140 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Scott C // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:48pm

Other teams don't have 3 all-pro defensive backs good at run support that can play LB plus two pro-bowl pass rushers.

But this is a copycat league, and other teams can use different personnel with similar tactics to slow Jackson down.

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145 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:51pm

San Diego is really good.

The Chargers are pretty good, too.

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133 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:39pm

Crowd is getting restless with Jackson. Would Flacco keep Melvin Ingram from sacking him better?

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134 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:39pm

Old man Phillip Rivers scrambling as if he was Ben Roethlisberger.

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135 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:39pm

I'd hate to jinx it, but I'm already looking forward to an all-AFC-West AFCCG in two weeks!

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220 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Sixknots // Jan 06, 2019 - 10:17pm

No, I'm hoping for a Colts-Chargers AFC Championship game in the Band Box in LA. League will probably never let that happen.

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136 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:40pm

Two rushes for 16 yards by Rivers. This has been such a bad game for Jackson that even on the ground Philip Rivers has been arguably more effective.

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138 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:46pm

About freaking time Mike Pouncey got flagged for a false start!

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142 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:48pm

The only explanation for Jackson staying in is that Harbaugh has decided the long-term future of the franchise is more important than actually trying to win this game. That said, I still don't understand the logic. Is he afraid Flacco will play great and they'll have to resign him? Worried he'll kill Jackson's confidence? I don't get it.

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152 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:57pm

Hahaha. Imagine the press conference: "I was afraid he might play well"

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154 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by rj1 // Jan 06, 2019 - 5:01pm

My thought. They've made the decision to trade or waive Flacco.

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146 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:51pm

Hey, now is a ball game. 2 Possession game after that TD. And Baltimore won't get the chance of being the 1st playoff team that ended with negative net passing yards.

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147 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:51pm

There's so, so many things wrong with the "Jackson got us here" argument. Also, I despise "fair weather fan" as an insult. It's like saying "well *I* was miserable, so everyone else should be too!"

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151 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:56pm

Jackson is your QB of the future, even if you disregard the shift in playing style that hot Baltimore to the playoffs.

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162 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Danish Denver-Fan // Jan 06, 2019 - 5:15pm

Ugh, tell me about it! Always thought booing was a weird reaction to anything, but who the heck cheers football this bad?

I consider myself a fan of lots of teams, but i just don't have the time to watch the (SF) Giants go 73-89. Spending your free time watching your favorite team go 3-13 is not something to be proud of. When I hear bros on message boards brag that they've seen every minute of every Jets game since 2004, I don't admire that - I want to scold them for wasting their time. Watch some good football that matters. Or, like, go outside or play with your kids or literally anything other than watching the Cardinals lose 12 games or whatever.

And now there's somehow life for the Ravens, so maybe hang in there, I dunno.

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149 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by rj1 // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:54pm

Blake Bortles would be proud of this garbage time stat padding.

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150 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 4:55pm

I don't get the onside kick. It's a 2 possession game. Your defense has been hanging tough. A TD turns it into a 2 possession game. Why you kick it onsides? Kick it deep, get a stop, try to drive for the TD, kick deep again, burn your timeouts getting the stop, and try to drive for the TD again. ... Actually it does help to shorten drives ... I guess.

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155 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 5:04pm

I was going to say that Jackson should learn the value of a throwaway, then bad position by a DB and a great throw by Jackson shut me up.

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156 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 5:06pm

There is going to be a lot of explaining to do if the Chargers blow this one.

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157 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Steve in WI // Jan 06, 2019 - 5:07pm

I haven’t watched any Ravens games this season. Are the Chargers doing something to Lamar Jackson that no one else has done? Because he does not look like a credible NFL QB today.

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158 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Anger...rising // Jan 06, 2019 - 5:08pm

I think Crabtree was short. If the Chargers had been quicker to touch him there'd have been no doubt.

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159 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Anger...rising // Jan 06, 2019 - 5:11pm

And then the pylon cam shows it to be a touchdown, so coming back short of the line to gain is irrelevant.

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160 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 5:12pm

... They kicked the XP. If the Baltimore defense/special teams allow a FG, game is over (Although the clock probably runs out before, but still). The 2PC should have been the call. If the Chargers score the FG, at least they can tie it up with another 2PC

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161 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Jan 06, 2019 - 5:15pm

Still extremely long odds for the Ravens, but what a crazy game this has been.

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163 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Anger...rising // Jan 06, 2019 - 5:22pm

Game ending on a Jackson fumble is the most appropriate thing ever.

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165 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Jan 06, 2019 - 5:26pm

I was going to say.

The most absurd thing about this game is that Lamar Jackson finished with more passing yards than Philip Rivers, by 34 yards. LOL. In net passing yards the Chargers were still ahead though.

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164 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 5:22pm

Should not have gotten that close, but LA FINALLY got it under control, thanks to Jackson being unaware of pressure.

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166 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Lowe_51 // Jan 06, 2019 - 5:32pm

How bout that hold on Okung? Very well coached DB. You're burnt to the outside? Run into the tackle and fall down...ridiculous. I guess anything you can do to keep everyone watching for a few more minutes. Big $$$ holding call, bonus for the line judge.

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167 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Jan 06, 2019 - 5:52pm

Even if you want to debate whether or not it was holding, it was illegal hands to the face on Okung. He hooked his face mask and twisted it.

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168 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Steve in WI // Jan 06, 2019 - 6:07pm

Why, why, why is Taquan Mizzell in the game (and so far has rushed once and been targeted once)? No excuse when Howard and Cohen are healthy.

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169 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by jinman // Jan 06, 2019 - 6:17pm

There's really no excuse for it. I'd rather have Benny Cunningham out there than Mizzell in any situation (particularly pass blocking). He certainly should never be carrying the ball in a playoff game.

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170 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Steve in WI // Jan 06, 2019 - 6:34pm

It would sure be nice if All-Pro Kyle Fuller could, you know, cover somebody.

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171 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Steve in WI // Jan 06, 2019 - 6:40pm

2 INTs already by Foles, and that one was pretty bad. With the Eagles playing better on both sides of the ball so far than the Bears, unforced errors like that could be huge.

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172 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Steve in WI // Jan 06, 2019 - 6:43pm

Like the one that Trubisky just made. It should be overturned because the defender couldn’t get both feet inbounds, but Jesus Christ. This game has the Bears blowing it written all over it.

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173 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Jan 06, 2019 - 7:03pm

The first INT was more a catch and fumble

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174 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Jan 06, 2019 - 7:04pm

Trubisky is desperately trying to throw an INT

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177 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Steve in WI // Jan 06, 2019 - 7:06pm

He should have at least 3 by now. The amount of luck the Bears have had in this game is unbelievable.

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175 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Steve in WI // Jan 06, 2019 - 7:05pm

What the hell are the officials doing in this game? Miller appears to catch the ball and then fumble, but it’s ruled incomplete. Then there’s an official review and it sure looks like a catch and a fumble. The key thing is that nobody went after the ball from either team. Seems like the Bears should be getting the ball at the spot of the fumble.

The referee says the call stands because there was no clear recovery. WTF? The call was incomplete pass. Whether the ball was recovered or not is irrelevant if it’s an incomplete pass.

How are the referees so stupid?

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181 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by LondonMonarch // Jan 06, 2019 - 7:15pm

They are insanely dumb.

The referee's explanation made no sense whatsoever. As you say, how does lack of recovery make it an incomplete pass? Mike Pereira's explanation on twitter is also literally incomprehensible.

But also, why is an official picking up a potentially live ball? (see also - blowing dead the potential goal-line fumble in the Chargees game earlier)

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183 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Steve in WI // Jan 06, 2019 - 7:18pm

Yeah, I don’t know what the guidelines are for when the official should pick up the ball in that case. The one thing I will say is that no one from either team was even looking at the ball, so it’s not like someone might have been trying to recover and the official took away that chance.

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185 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Ben // Jan 06, 2019 - 7:37pm

I would have to assume there was a whistle blown since it was originally ruled a fair catch.

However, in the case of an early/incorrect whistle, it should still have been the Bears ball at the spot of the fumble.

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187 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Jan 06, 2019 - 7:39pm

The call stands because there is no advantage to be gained. It was caught, but fumbled in a way that was not recovered or dead.

Basically, the play ended with indeterminate possession. Chicago has more advantage with the called result, so that’s what happens.

It’s like challenging the spot when the new call results in the same outcome.

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190 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by LondonMonarch // Jan 06, 2019 - 7:53pm

But that's not right, is it? The starting point is that if the offense fumbles and the defense does not recover, then the offense retains posession.

Most common example is the fumble out of bounds.

Another example would be on a 10-yard running play where it looks like the ball was lost when the runner was tackled and hit the ground, but actually it has come loose before he is down. If that is video-reviewed and there is no clear recovery, the offense retains the ball. But it is not spotted at the STARTING POINT of the running play, is it?

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176 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by JMM // Jan 06, 2019 - 7:05pm

NFL rules reverse the arrow of time and causality. The lack of a recovery means a fumble never happened!

I have to think about that. I'll need at least one more rye on the rocks.

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188 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 06, 2019 - 7:42pm

Is anyone here a physicist? I feel like the guys at CERN should be notified

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178 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by NukeTheWhales // Jan 06, 2019 - 7:07pm

"He's [Trubisky] looked sharp here" -Collinsworth

As Trubisky throws a pass right to a defender and then airmails a screen.

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179 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Raiderfan // Jan 06, 2019 - 7:08pm

How was that not a catch at the end of the first half?

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182 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Steve in WI // Jan 06, 2019 - 7:16pm

6-3 Bears at the half and they are so incredibly lucky to be winning. I haven’t seen the offense look this bad since the Rams game, and there has been perplexing playcalling by Nagy. Howard and Cohen are both healthy, yet we have multiple Taquan Mizzell touches and a decision to run Benny Cunningham on a crucial 3rd and 3.

The Bears offense has been bailed out by Eagles penalties to extend drives. They’ve also been incredibly lucky that Trubisky doesn’t have 3 INTs. He seems to be okay after coming up limping after a run but he also hasn’t really left the pocket since then. Maybe that’s a good thing given how running QBs have performed this weekend...

The defense has been good (hard to complain about 3 points allowed) but if the offense can’t make some adjustments in the second half I’m pessimistic about the Bears holding on to win unless they get a defensive score. Not reasonable to assume they can hold the Eagles to 14 points or less, and the way the first half went I’m not sure the Bears offense has more than a couple more field goals in them anyway.

I know this is the NFL and there are no easy games, but I really expected the Bears to dominate this one.

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by BywaterBrat // Jan 06, 2019 - 7:50pm

I love old school defensive battles but this whole weekend is just woof from the passing games.

I'll give Wilson a pass and Luck had a few moments but otherwise it has just been awful to watch. Seems like the 1st look on half of the plays is to a RB within 2 yards of the LOS even on 3rd down.

Maybe the Ds are just tamping things downfield I just watch the normal feed. You definitely see the reknowned playoff level of violence by the front 6 (to 8).

Hard to see any of these teams hanging eith the home teams next week, maybe Chargers over Pats on paper.

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191 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by BywaterBrat // Jan 06, 2019 - 8:09pm

well trubisky is ripping it now

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194 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 06, 2019 - 8:34pm

I think the Chargees are clear favorites next week. And LACHI (theoretically) is only slightly in favor of LA

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192 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Steve in WI // Jan 06, 2019 - 8:25pm

Sometimes I wonder if the guys on TV are watching the same game, or if they even think about what they’re saying. Michaels just said Trubisky has had a “phenomenal” game and has “exceeded all expectations.” He made some nice throws on the previous drive, but you would have to think he was absolute trash before this game to say he’s exceeded all expectations.

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193 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Jan 06, 2019 - 8:31pm

The amount of time the Eagles have run off on this drive is bad news for the Bears. If Philadelphia scores, which is likely considering they'll have four downs to do it, Chicago won't have much time to respond. They will also be down by a full 3 if the Eagles get the two-point conversion.

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195 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by LondonMonarch // Jan 06, 2019 - 8:37pm

WHY DID HE TAKE THAT TIMEOUT???

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196 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 8:41pm

Hmm ... I'm seeing some shades of Steelers-Raiders.

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198 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 8:51pm

Down to the missed FG too. No slipping kicker though.

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199 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cythammer // Jan 06, 2019 - 8:51pm

Crushing for Bears fans.

Anyway, I think this week's results are quite good for the NFC's top two seeds. The more dangerous teams got eliminated. I'm definitely ready for this Eagles team to finally be put to bed. They were lucky to make the playoffs and lucky to win this one.

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200 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by deus01 // Jan 06, 2019 - 8:51pm

Seems like icing the kicker worked out again this perpetuating the number of times coaches do it

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201 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 06, 2019 - 8:53pm

I can't believe that just happened. I thought Parkey's body language was off as he was kicking the second time, it looked like he actually got iced, which as we all know is very unusual.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano // Jan 06, 2019 - 9:50pm

If you’re confident enough in yourself, there’s no way icing would affect you at all. After the season Parkey had, his confidence was probably pretty shaky coming in. I’m sure sports psychologists could weigh in on this.

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213 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by MC2 // Jan 06, 2019 - 9:52pm

Yeah, but since Parkey made the "practice" kick, it seems like that would actually boost his confidence for the "real" kick.

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by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 10:12pm

It wasn't all his fault. Watching the play SLOWLY shows that an Eagles player got his hand upthere and just slightly tipped the ball, enough for it to hit the uprights, but not enough to be noticed at full speed.

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202 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by DavidL // Jan 06, 2019 - 9:17pm

Dallas must be thrilled to be able to pawn that trip to the Superdome off on their division rivals.

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by TecmoBoso // Jan 06, 2019 - 11:53pm

I bet at kickoff of Saints/Eagles I'll still be wondering how the Eagles pulled out that game against the Bears. And then the Eagles will probably get destroyed. Oh well.

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203 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Cheesehead_Canuck // Jan 06, 2019 - 9:25pm

Am I crazy in thinking we could have a 5-6 in the AFC and a 1-2 in the NFC for the conference games?

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208 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 9:40pm

It's not that crazy. The Chargers should beat the Patriots, not handily, but they are the superior team. The Colts against the Chiefs is tougher because of the Chiefs combo of volcanic offense, probable League MVP with no playoffs experience, and terrible defense. Plus Andy Reid's teams breakdowns in the playoffs. In the NFC, the East division doesn't look like they have a lot of chance.

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205 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 06, 2019 - 9:31pm

Apparently the refs got that wacko ref-recovered fumble call in the first half correct: https://mobile.twitter.com/footballzebras/status/1082051754135564288

(Warning: read the comments at your own risk.)
(ETA: I got a complete different set of comments on an incognito tab, and those were actually good. I don't like or understand twitter.)

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209 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Steve in WI // Jan 06, 2019 - 9:41pm

That may give the fumble-out-of-the-end-zone-is-awarded-to-the-other-team rule a run for its money as most inexplicable rule in the rulebook.

Is there any other rule that essentially says that what happens after a play can change the outcome of said play? It was a catch and a fumble. Had the Eagles swarmed to it, they'd have been rewarded the recovery (or the Bears would have, for that matter). It is totally illogical to say that since no one recovered the fumble, it reverts to an incomplete pass.

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by Coaldale Joe // Jan 06, 2019 - 9:57pm

It's illogical, but it was probably the best or 'most just' outcome given the circumstances. No one swarmed the ball because the play was clearly blown dead. But clearly there was no Chicago player in position to recover it. Had the whistle not been blown it would have been the Eagles ball. The ruling actually screwed both teams in a way, and that seems about as good an outcome as you could hope for given what had happened. It's amazing to me that the rule book actually specifically covers this situation.

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204 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Pen // Jan 06, 2019 - 9:27pm

I'm not even a Bears fan and I felt the kick in the gut of forgotten heart breaks in that one.

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206 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Jan 06, 2019 - 9:34pm

As a Lions fan, my black heart cackled.

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210 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano // Jan 06, 2019 - 9:45pm

Heck, I actively dislike the Bears, and even I feel sorry for them right now.

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by ChrisS // Jan 07, 2019 - 1:04am

It was high tragedy, I laughed. As a Lions fan we seldom have to feel the pain of a blown playoff game.

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233 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Jan 07, 2019 - 8:37am

The Lions were the last team to lose a wild card game on a last-minute TD.

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237 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano // Jan 07, 2019 - 1:05pm

1983, 1993, (arguably) 1994, and 2014 have been the only gut-punch last-minute playoff losses. Every other year they either suck too much to even make the playoffs, or get eliminated in a non-competitive fashion.

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238 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Jan 07, 2019 - 3:41pm

The 5-0 loss in 1970 is still a heartbreaker for me...

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207 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Steve in WI // Jan 06, 2019 - 9:37pm

Well, here are my emotional/irrational thoughts on the Bears game and the season as a whole.

1. Totally apropo for the nail in the coffin on the season to be a missed Parkey field goal. And this one was 43, not 53 like the FG try in OT in Miami. Of course I blame him for not making the kick, but I blame Ryan Pace far more. He guaranteed Parkey $9M which meant that the Bears were unwilling to try out other options midseason when it was clear that Parkey was shaky. The Bears have to cut him for next year despite the guaranteed money - they flat out have to.

2. The Bears didn't deserve to win tonight anyway. Once they failed to score on their first possession of the second half, I began having flashbacks to the way I felt at, oh, 10pm on a certain night in November 2016 where the result I wanted had not yet been ruled out, but the fact that it was still so uncertain was ominous enough. What I'm saying is that even if Parkey hits that kick, I'd have had no confidence in the Bears to go into LA next week and win. The offense is way too inconsistent. Trubisky shined in the 4th quarter but if he'd been a little better in the first 3 the Bears might have been sitting on a 2-score lead.

3. It's hard to say that the defense had a bad night when they gave up 16 points, but their two weaknesses (which are perhaps intertwined) were their undoing: bad tackling and overreliance on turnovers. They only got two turnovers tonight and there were multiple times where they should've stopped somebody yards before they actually did. In fairness, they were without Jackson and Callahan, and their replacements were a big part of the way tonight went down. (It is absolutely perplexing to me that Jackson was active but as far as I know did not play tonight. I initially thought it might have been confidence on Nagy's part that the Bears might win handily and they could rest him another week, but if he couldn't play in the second half why activate him in the first place?)

4. 26-38 in the regular season, 0-1 in the playoffs. That is the career record of Ryan Pace. I hope that Parkey is enough to disqualify him from executive of the year talk, but one brief playoff appearance does not absolve him of the general failure his tenure has been. The Bears are unquestionably better now than when he was hired, but they were incredibly lucky with injuries this year and the jury is definitely still out on Trubisky (who now only has two more cheap years before they have to pay him considerably more).

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by BJR // Jan 06, 2019 - 10:21pm

Those thoughts seem pretty coherent to me, given the circumstances. If I was looking to point the finger, I would start with the first half offensive performance, which was frankly pathetic. The Bears were very lucky to go in at half time only 3 points down.

As the Eagles D-line tired Trubisky was able to make plays against their weak secondary, but then the defense could not force a stop when they needed it most. This was really a team loss.

The Saints and Rams are the real winners this weekend. The Saints walloped the Eagles at home a few weeks ago, and I foresee few difficulties for them again this time. The Rams avoid the Bears who had previously shut them down. They should be able to handle the Cowboys. Neither game excites me as a neutral fan.

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223 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by MC2 // Jan 06, 2019 - 11:27pm

Good point about the Saints and Rams. If the Bears had won, it would have set up a weird "double revenge" scenario, with the top two seeds facing the two teams that had upset them in prime time games. That would have been pretty cool. Instead, as you say, we're left with a couple of pretty lackluster games.

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224 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by TecmoBoso // Jan 06, 2019 - 11:51pm

Bears were actually up 3 at half, but it did feel like they were losing.

It's really hard to pin this on the Bears D. Okay, they didn't get the stop on 4th and 1, but 16 points, is 16 points. The Bears offense shouldn't have struggled like it did in the first three quarters. The Bears missed Burton today, and aside from the obvious, that was probably the difference in the end.

I don't know where the Bears go from here. They don't have a first or second round pick. They'll have something around $25m in cap space, but Amos, Massie, and Callahan are all free agents (I believe). They probably all won't be back, but if they do bring, say, Amos back, that will further limit what they can do.

They don't have anything to give up, but they would be an interesting Antonio Brown destination. I'm not sure how much someone like Le'Veon Bell would change the offense, but he'd be a huge upgrade at the RB position. But that's also a position you don't really want to spend money.

I too have been underwhelmed by Pace, and he's dug himself into a (small) hole. The teams better than I think anyone thought, but they don't have a ton of flexibility due to not having a 1st or 2nd. And while giving up a first for Mack made all the sense in the world, not having a 2nd really hurts as they'll struggle to find any impact players for next year in the draft.

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227 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by dank067 // Jan 07, 2019 - 1:00am

Where the Bears go from here is pretty simple in my mind - hold the fort as best you can and hope Trubisky continues to develop. They could use more depth, which will come in handy when they inevitably don't enjoy the same injury luck as they did this season, but that's not the type of thing that's usually addressed by free agency splashes or high draft picks. They should be able to use the cap room they have to keep at least a couple of the guys you mention.

Feel like the picks they traded away are most likely to bite them 2-3 years from now after they (presumably) pay Trubisky, creating a need for cost-effective starters elsewhere. But if Trubisky does develop into a top-flight QB, you're hoping he can overcome deficits in a few spots - the circle of life in the NFL.

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231 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by BJR // Jan 07, 2019 - 7:41am

I want to see offensive improvement from Chicago next season. That's the path towards consistent competitiveness in today's NFL.

The defense is likely to regress next year, at least slightly, and their division rivals are all likely to improve. Frankly, they may well miss the playoffs. But if I saw significant development out of Trubisky, I would take that as an overall positive.

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236 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Steve in WI // Jan 07, 2019 - 12:26pm

Yeah, I have a hard time faulting the defense. It’s unreasonable to expect them to stop a team with four tries from the 5, and I believe it was McManis who eventually gave up the TD; of course, he would not have been on the field if not for Callahan’s injury.

The thing about the Mack trade is that it accelerated the expectations for this team. When you’re paying that much to a defensive player (even when he obviously deserves it), you need to be winning playoff games, not just making it to the playoffs.

As far as the lack of draft picks, I’m not super worried in the short term *if* the offense can take a big step next year with the personnel they have. They missed Trey Burton last night but my perception is that he didn’t live up to the hype going into the season. Robinson was again a big help on key plays, but he didn’t have as productive a season as I’d have expected. It seems like they’ll need to draft a running back, which they should be able to find in the middle rounds.

The biggest question mark is Trubisky. I’m scared that he’ll be just good enough to get a second contract and handicap the team. Seems like everyone in Chicago today is praising his 4th quarter and ignoring how lackluster the offense was in the first 3 (which isn’t entirely on him - playcalling was also bad).

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by MC2 // Jan 06, 2019 - 9:48pm

Damn, Parkey hits the uprights more often than the kickers on Tecmo Super Bowl!!!

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by Coaldale Joe // Jan 06, 2019 - 9:59pm

Hey, can someone point me to the Official Thread for Irrational Foles-Brady arguments ?

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226 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by dan_walton // Jan 06, 2019 - 11:55pm

Let's start it here. Tom Brady has infinite times as many playoff losses as Nick Foles

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by Jose21crisis // Jan 06, 2019 - 10:11pm

Cody Parkey reminded me of Chris Boswell on that kick. Both got big contracts (I don't know if Parkey was an all world kicker before this season, but Boswell certainly was clutch since ever), then they broke down this season. Boswell had his confidence hit by that missed game winner in Week 1 (To me it was understandable, it was on the rain. Kicks like that are tough), and it was enough for him to start missing kicks left and right, furthering the issue. I have not seen enough Bears football to know if Parkey had an confidence hitting missed kick, but he certainly was a coin toss. (Although, seeing the kick frame by frame shows someone got his hand up and hit the kick, deviating it towards the uprights. It's not going to boost his confidence again, but still). Both Chicago and Pittsburgh are probably moving on. By the way, why the Bears released Robbie Gould? Was he terrible or they needed to save money or ...?

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by Coaldale Joe // Jan 06, 2019 - 10:16pm

Teyvon Hester is claiming he tipped it, and I think he did looking at the replay, the ball seemed to make an abrupt change of direction immediately after the kick, and then straightened out.

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230 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by umuddafadda // Jan 07, 2019 - 7:11am

I was told (by a media that hyped/adored them) that Lamar & Dak & Russell Wilson we're
the answer....I guess it proved (once again as I look thru playoffs thru playoffs thru the
years) that a run-first oriented NFL QB vs a pre-read/slide in the pocket vs run/look off
the safety/go thru progressions/get rid of ball in 2-4 seconds vs 5-6/recognizing a defense
quickly/understanding when they have 1-on-1 coverage when there is motion & that
person is followed.....that THAT NFL QB will have a super-high winning % advantage over
what the media people gush over...

What works & can win college nat'l championships doesn't work in NFL where LB's in NFL
can run as fast as DB's in college, where NFL DC's dbl-blitz the A&B gaps so you have to
recognize that/decide in seconds & know your hot receiver nor can you do that slow moving
read-option when someone blows up the middle.

The final 4-8 qb's usually have the qualities mentioned above....NFL QB qualities...but
the media will never quit on the other stuff....

You watch...Dak/Mahomes will go down this coming round. I've seen it for decades, bank
on it.

BTW someone will reply with an exception to the rule but...95% of the time (look thru final 4-8
for past years) ...the *high majority* of the time, this style of QB wins over a read-option, running
NFL QB. This year is yet another confirmation of that.

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234 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Jan 07, 2019 - 8:40am

Andrew Luck is a running QB.

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235 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by umuddafadda // Jan 07, 2019 - 10:21am

*was* a running QB....not this year!!

Avg in last 5 yrs he (Luck) played=57 avg rushes based on last
6 yrs (this year was 46)...put that up against Lamar Jackson (147 attempts just in half this season)
and Russell Wilson (avg'd 95 per year in last 7 yrs)...then there is Dak (avg 63 attempts in 3 yrs)

So when placed against what I'd say are "running" QB's...Luck is more a pocket passer because of
HC. Also when you see that Brees (31) and Brady (23) are in same arena as Luck, further makes
the point he's not a running QB anymore.

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240 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Jan 07, 2019 - 3:47pm

You're arguing that Luck, at 57/yr, is closer in habit to Brees and Brady (statuesque) at 27/yr than he is to Dak (runner) at 63.

Interesting.

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242 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by umuddafadda // Jan 07, 2019 - 6:29pm

But you are arguing that DAK (who seems to run more) is the same as Luck
(who seems to look to pass more)...btw Luck was 46 this year...I did say
*was* a running QB....this year he's stayed in the pocket much more....

Main point is, the pocket passers move ahead in playoffs, the NFL QB's who "tend"
to run instead of slide/keep eyes downfield-etc. don't. The pocket passers
tend to succeed more in playoffs....

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241 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Jan 07, 2019 - 3:55pm

I would have never guessed that Mahomes threw 50 TD passes this year if I had read only this thread.

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243 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by umuddafadda // Jan 07, 2019 - 6:31pm

Mahomes had an awesome year....then again, so did Cam (early) but then
DC's just dbl-blitzed the A & B gaps and they weren't so hot.

I am guessing Mahomes will falter the same in upcoming game but KC might
win...yet he'll show innaccuracies (Like Watson/Dak did)....its a character
defect & catches up to running QB's

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245 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 08, 2019 - 12:48am

A character defect???

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246 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by umuddafadda // Jan 08, 2019 - 7:41am

good way of saying that eventually they'll show a defect in play....like can't hardly help
themselves, its ingrained in 'em

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247 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 09, 2019 - 2:28am

So… racism then

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248 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by umuddafadda // Jan 09, 2019 - 6:20am

try actually reading a few posts.....I mention (bobby douglass....Luck's
father....fran tarkenton)...they all had the same defect

sheeze...can't wait to play that card....but throw that flak out & miss
the point of the topic (which is right)

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239 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by LionInAZ // Jan 07, 2019 - 3:46pm

Aaron Rodgers can be considered a running QB also.

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244 Re: Wild-Card Open Game Discussion

by umuddafadda // Jan 07, 2019 - 6:37pm

Good argument....as was (perhaps) Steve Young, but both keep
eyes plastered downfield as they are moving forward.....DAK/Mahomes/
Watson just run....Rodgers/Young moved to outside (as does WIlson to
a great degree) 'n look downfield.....Brady/Foles/Rivers/both Mannings
all tend to slide in pocket....I'm just not a fan of the type of NFL QB that
DAk/Mahomes/Watson/Cam are (for the long haul)...they are pretty much running
QB'S that eventually just show incredible innacuracy during playoffs...not just here/there
(which is ok) but a high % of throws...seen it for years from Bobby Douglass (Bears)
thru Fran Tarkenton (Vikings) and now this crop....seems to really take a nose-dive
during playoffs

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