Super Bowl LV Discussion
Here's our open thread for discussion of Super Bowl LV between the Kansas City Chiefs and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
230 comments, Last at 17 Mar 2021, 10:44am
#1 by BravoSix // Feb 07, 2021 - 10:43am
I'm super excited about this one. It should be an incredible matchup. I love Mahomes and The Chiefs but I struggle to see how this is anything but a slugfest that could go either way. The DVOA for The Bucs shows a much harder schedule, you can't run against them, the Chiefs have the 2nd worst run D in the league, they may have a better lineup all around. Reid and Mahomes adjusted recently by taking what is underneath but I don't see White and David letting that happen, all while JPP (How is he playing at this level still?) and Barrett tee off on you. Oh and then you also have to contain Vea, Suh etc.
Not having Winfield might end up mattering, but I think this comes down to Pressure as it often does. If Brady is forced into a few bad throws that he got away with vs Green Bay and they don't get as many turnovers as they have as of recently it's The Chiefs. But I think TB is going to pound a really bad run defense, and take deep shots vs a secondary that only has a few playmakers.
Ronald Jones I think has a big game. 5+YPC and explosive
#2 by andrew age // Feb 07, 2021 - 12:46pm
pointing to a close game.....yet my gut feeling says Ciefs 31, Bucs 10. Brady and the Bucs getting to the Superbowl alone shows that Brady is more than a Belichick creation. He can be satisfied even with a loss here. But maybe he would not feel that way.
#3 by theslothook // Feb 07, 2021 - 1:47pm
He was never a Belichick creation, but I struggle to see how his play specifically this postseason shows that.
#9 by t.d. // Feb 07, 2021 - 3:42pm
yeah, I've got Chiefs by 17+, too; just feels like the Bucs have been winning ugly, which you can do in the NFC, but the top of the AFC was just much stronger this season, and the Chiefs only really broke a sweat for the 25 minutes Mahomes was injured
#11 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 3:56pm
The Chiefs won ugly in this exact situation earlier in the season.
17 is a lot for a SB it seems
#13 by t.d. // Feb 07, 2021 - 4:09pm
yeah, it's a lot for a modern SB, I just feel like Buffalo was significantly better than the Bucs, and the Chiefs didn't break a sweat, but we'll see (the Britt Reid thing is terrible, and it feels like the team with the terrible distraction late SB week always loses, but I think this Chiefs team is historic and built to defy trends)
#15 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 4:38pm
but in similar fashion to the RS. 17+ hasn't happened in the SB in 7 years and only thrice this century. I think the Chiefs were better last year and they only won by 11 in their last two playoff games. Bucs also had a higher offensive and defensive DVOA than the Bills so idk about that either.
And it ended up being 17+. Just not the team anyone saw coming. Wow
#16 by BravoSix // Feb 07, 2021 - 4:48pm
The WFT game wasn't great, but they man handled the Pack but got loose late (Who I said would lose because their defense is weak and their schedule was a joke outside of the Rams), and that vaunted Saints Defense couldn't cover anyone.
#10 by Run dmc // Feb 07, 2021 - 3:56pm
When are people gonna realize DVOA does not capture the Chiefs' greatness?
DVOA said Buffalo was the better team by Regular DVOA and even more so by Weighted DVOA. How'd that work out for ya?
The Chiefs beat Buffalo pretty bad earlier in the season but Buffalo came on strong after the Chiefs loss and were dominant and then they got beat even worse by the Chiefs in the playoffs.
Ditto Tampa Bay.
#100 by BravoSix // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:36pm
But I think you're discounting outside of DVOA if you don't like the math (which you should) what goes into it. Performance, SOS, Personnel, and results.
#4 by theslothook // Feb 07, 2021 - 1:48pm
I fully expect the Brady voodoo to continue, meaning the Chiefs offense which lit up the Bucs last time will inexplicably struggle. Maybe it's karma for Mahomes winning the SB MVP last year despite his up and down play.
#12 by Run dmc // Feb 07, 2021 - 4:00pm
I mean Nick Foles and Eli Manning.
#17 by theslothook // Feb 07, 2021 - 4:50pm
I mean...ok? And what about the other SBs? Also didn't the chiefs struggle against the Patriots in 2018???
#5 by Alex@ // Feb 07, 2021 - 3:04pm
I have a question about a season-long trend. I feel like I've seen more players handing the ball back to the ref after the play is over than I saw in seasons past.
Could be just what I'm observing. Maybe, with less crowd shots available, cameras stay longer on players. Or the particular games I saw had a few running backs that just do that as their regular thing so I saw it more often.
Or maybe there has been an increase, and it can be explained by something else. Player's Association guidelines, new batch of coaches, maybe the refs got together before the season and sent out flowers to all the skill position guys.
Anybody else notice this? I feel like it went up from like 60% to 80%, so the difference is subtle, but I noticed it over multiple weeks, hence my question.
#7 by Aaron Brooks G… // Feb 07, 2021 - 3:30pm
Could be because there isn't a crowd to play to.
#6 by MC2 // Feb 07, 2021 - 3:24pm
I have really gone back and forth on this one. My brain keeps telling me to pick the Chiefs, but my gut keeps telling me to pick the Bucs. My gut also told me the Bucs were going to beat the Packers and the Saints, but I ignored it. So, this time, I guess I'm going to listen to my gut, and say:
Tampa Bay 31, Kansas City 24
#14 by Mountain Time … // Feb 07, 2021 - 4:34pm
TB 24 KC 27
Anotjer 3 sacks from CSU alum Shaq Barrett turns out not to be enough
#20 by Alex@ // Feb 07, 2021 - 6:28pm
KC 44, TB 41 F/OT
TB's defense starts out hot, and TB carries a lead pretty far into the 3rd quarter. By that point, Mahomes has heated up and won't be denied, catching up at the end of regulation and getting just enough in overtime.
#8 by Spanosian Magn… // Feb 07, 2021 - 3:31pm
Ordinarily in a Super Bowl where I have no rooting interest, I mostly just want to see an entertaining game. Not this year, though. I want the Chiefs to crush the Buccaneers, see them driven before them, and to hear the lamentation of their women.
Not expecting it, though. I see this game going similar to last year's, except these Bucs are better than those Niners: the Bucs build a lead with a lot of runs and some well-timed long receptions, and while Mahomes et al. will eventually do their thing to come back, it won't quite be enough this time. Bucs 31, Chiefs 28.
#18 by DIVISION // Feb 07, 2021 - 5:07pm
Buccs Win, Brady MVP, Brady 220+ Pass Yds, Fournette 1+ TD (+500)Specials - up to +500
Brady MVP, Tampa Bay to Win, C.Godwin 1+ TD (+500)Specials - up to +500
15-21 (+450)(101) Kansas City Chiefs
29-35 (+260)(101) Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Buccaneers by 10-12 points (+1400)(101) Kansas City Chiefs @ (102) Tampa Bay Buccaneers
40-49 (+400)(101) Kansas City Chiefs @ (102) Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Yes (Scoreless Quarter) (+385)(101) Kansas City Chiefs @ (102) Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Field Goal (+175)(101) Kansas City Chiefs @ (102) Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Under 50 (+215)(101) Kansas City Chiefs @ (102) Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I bet $500 total on a whim, so I will likely win big or lose big depending on how this plays out. Based on the actions of Reid's embarrassing son and the distractions derived from that, I expect the Bucs to dominate, but mainly to coast to a comfortable victory. I see the defense shutting down KC with Bowles changing things up in the secondary. The Bucs' front four being dominant is the main key for all of this.
Brady will do what he tends to do. I see Mahomes having a rough day...
I see it something like Bucs 30 Chiefs 17
#19 by Tutenkharnage // Feb 07, 2021 - 6:20pm
... and deliver Tom Brady the ass-beating he should have taken against Atlanta. Chiefs by double digits. As pointed out above, the Bills were better than the Bucs, and the Chiefs beat them easily.
#21 by theslothook // Feb 07, 2021 - 6:43pm
That non intentional grounding call is utter bullshit. I just don't get how you can get away with it.
#24 by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Feb 07, 2021 - 6:56pm
"In the vicinity" apparently interpreted to mean there was an eligible receiver somewhere on the field of play.
#25 by theslothook // Feb 07, 2021 - 6:58pm
I would really like if they change it to where it's clearly for sack avoidance
#28 by andrew age // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:13pm
Not a bad proposal. And perhaps easier to judge on than you would initially think.
#22 by vrao81 // Feb 07, 2021 - 6:52pm
Boring game so far. 3 possessions and no points.
#23 by theslothook // Feb 07, 2021 - 6:53pm
Some of us like defense too...
#26 by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Feb 07, 2021 - 6:59pm
I loved the Pats-Rams SB, but I suspect those who prefer scoring will be happy before this game is over.
#27 by vrao81 // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:02pm
3 points, yay
#29 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:13pm
#30 by andrew age // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:14pm
Brady to Gronk. What is BB doing right now?
#32 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:18pm
#34 by andrew age // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:19pm
He should have his dog around!
#37 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:28pm
Dogs are good at sniffing out the gems!
Or questionable punters...I forget.
#53 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:48pm
#31 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:16pm
passing at least 1/7 for 3 yards.
#33 by jheidelberg // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:18pm
This looks Seattle defense against Peyton Manning on Denver. TB is all over every pass.
#91 by BravoSix // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:26pm
This is what I was trying to say - Its not over, but this TB defense is brutal in comparison. You can't run, they have Tier 1 Edge rushers and it has to be won 1:1 as a result. If ANYONE can come back its 15 but 12 right now can just jam it down their throat with Fournette and Jones and take his shots. If he gets ahead like this you're at his will. That is the genius of this gameplan. Why else go for it vs NO? They wanted the option with the buffer
#35 by theslothook // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:21pm
Both teams have been getting away with some blatant offensive holding. It seems the nfl official policy continues to be ,"Holding Schmolding"
#36 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:26pm
hate to see one wasted so early
#38 by theslothook // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:29pm
Wow it was the right call but huuuge swing play.
#39 by vrao81 // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:29pm
Chiefs with the goal line stand!
#40 by DisplacedPackerFan // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:30pm
Just hearing the joy and excitement in Romo's voice with that potential TD/potential 4th down stop was great.
#41 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:30pm
IDK why they didn't call it and review it.
Surprised they didn't sneak it on 4th tho
#42 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:33pm
Didn't blitz there? Like the one time you wanna blitz Mahomes.
#43 by Spanosian Magn… // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:35pm
KC may want to revisit this "All Mecole Hardman, all the time" gameplan at halftime.
#44 by theslothook // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:36pm
So KC still playing possum?????
#57 by ChrisLong // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:49pm
#45 by Spanosian Magn… // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:36pm
Amazingly, the dropped snap was that guy's best punt of the day.
#46 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:38pm
#47 by vrao81 // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:39pm
29 yard punt! Not good.
#48 by Tutenkharnage // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:45pm
I always thought there had to be, like, actual holding to draw a holding call.
#49 by vrao81 // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:46pm
I guess the refs want Brady to win his 7th sb and break a tie with Jordan's record of 6 modern championships
#52 by theslothook // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:48pm
Does that explain the Chiefs offense to this point??
#58 by Alex@ // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:50pm
Yeah that call was completely phantom.
Romo played it off, but it seemed an egregious call to me. KC defense losing their shit the rest of that drive was on them, though
#61 by DisplacedPackerFan // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:51pm
When your arms are wrapped around a guys waist that's going to get called in real time even if you aren't actually touching him. It's easy to see in high def slow motion with tree different angles but that looks blatant from the field in real time.
#63 by Tutenkharnage // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:53pm
Because I’ve watched every playoff game this season and seen plenty of similar plays that didn’t get flagged.
#65 by DisplacedPackerFan // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:00pm
I haven't. I've seen other obvious holds not called yes, but not one where what the ref saw was the defender hitting the receiver in the chest then hugging him from behind. That is not what actually happened, but the angle the ref had, that is what he would have seen.
I agree had this game been called like other playoff games that still probably doesn't get called, but I at least understand why it was. Earlier calls in this game show they are more likely to call defensive holding as well.
Trust me I don't like it. I live in KC, I like the Chiefs and TB just beat my team. But I get why that was called. Doesn't mean that the refs are consistent. Just talking about one call.
#50 by jheidelberg // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:47pm
Interception but defensive holding. Offside on FG 3rd time is the charm
#54 by andrew age // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:49pm
And now Gronk again. It's getting ugly for KC.
#55 by andrew age // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:49pm
And now Gronk again. It's getting ugly for KC.
#56 by andrew age // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:49pm
#51 by vrao81 // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:47pm
Gronk scores #2 td!
#59 by ChrisLong // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:50pm
The holding call on the INT was total trash. Cannot believe they called that.
#60 by oaktoon // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:50pm
truth was there the whole time-- right in front of you. This is a lame KC team so far-- making mistakes all over the field. Can't imagine the Britt Reid thing helped. I know they make incredible comebacks all the time-- but right now they don't seem capable.
#64 by DIVISION // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:58pm
I made my bets before that happened but it certainly is a HUGE distraction.
You can tell it has had an effect on KC.
They need a TD just to stay in the game here.
#68 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:02pm
Has it? Not ideal and I agree it hasn't helped but hurt? Are their LBs playing worse than their mediocre selves?
Think the difference is the line play tonight. KC might have found the breaking point.
#70 by DIVISION // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:05pm
So much of the media narrative was that the Chiefs' O-line wouldn't be a factor, but we've seen it's the complete opposite.
I see this getting worse as the game goes on.
This is exactly why I made the bets I did.
It was so easy to see coming in.
#77 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:10pm
I thought that was the storyline of the game?
I guess I think it's more that than Britt. KCs LBs have always been unnoteworthy and I think their par for the course right now. Their OL, though, has dipped into unworkable territory (so far from what I've seen).
#62 by DIVISION // Feb 07, 2021 - 7:52pm
My bets for the under 50 looks great!
#66 by Spanosian Magn… // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:01pm
KC's low scoring output is masking that they've had quite a few opportunities that were just barely missed - slightly overthrown long pass to Hardman, Kelce's long drop, to name two - and that's never going to hold up all game, with this team. If anything, they ought to be encouraged that they've taken TB's best defensive shot, as it were, and they still didn't really stop them as much as they stopped themselves.
I'm less optimistic that KC's defense will ever stop TB's offense, though. They really needed a big play like that pick that was called back for nothing.
#72 by DoubleB // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:07pm
KC's ACTUAL play on defense seems pretty solid to me. They've lost a 3rd and 6 opportunity for a dumb personal foul. Special teams literally cost them 4 points--the fact the guy called for offsides didn't actually rush the kicker is just mind-blowing to me.
Tampa's D is the star thus far. They have a big edge on the DL and also seem to have found some holes in KC's protection scheme.
#95 by DIVISION // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:29pm
...you aren't very good, no.
You have to be able to play good D without the holding/DPI etc...
We should have seen this coming. KC's defense has been leaky all season.
Tampa doesn't not respect them at all...
#67 by vrao81 // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:02pm
Chiefs look good on that drive but stall in the RZ and have to kick a fg. 8 point bucs lead.
#69 by DIVISION // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:04pm
...this game is in the books.
The Bucs defense is not going to let up on Mahomes.
That rush is amazing.
Kicking FG's may have already doomed KC...
#71 by Spanosian Magn… // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:06pm
I don't know, I think if I'm KC I go for it there. Worst case, you're basically just giving it to TB where you would on a kickoff anyway - and if you make it, you also get the ball to start the 2nd half, this game could turn around real fast.
#73 by jheidelberg // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:08pm
#74 by vrao81 // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:09pm
Huge DPI there
#75 by Spanosian Magn… // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:09pm
Absolute malarkey DPI. Uncatchable AND incidental.
#76 by vrao81 // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:10pm
I'm telling ya refs want that 7th champ for brady.
#79 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:11pm
And KC calls a timeout to waste my time!
#78 by AHBM // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:10pm
Evans took a dive there
#80 by vrao81 // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:13pm
AB scores! 15 point lead! More like 30 points considering how the defense has played.
#81 by DIVISION // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:14pm
The Bucs defense isn't giving up that kind of lead...
#82 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:14pm
Brady is killin it
#83 by DIVISION // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:16pm
That guy is a killer. Stone cold killer.
O-Line is protecting him well, too.
#84 by DoubleB // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:17pm
He certainly takes advantage of opportunities when other teams give it to him. No doubt about that.
#86 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:20pm
But Wirfs seems to.
Man what a great prospect he was.
#85 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:19pm
Kneeling to go into the half.
#87 by DIVISION // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:21pm
Did you really think they'd generate anything with :06 left?
Nothing good would have come out of it.
#98 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:35pm
I mean...there literally can lol.
Even if you're afraid, just run it once and go into the locker room. The chances of a fumble are slim. The chances of them scoring off that fumble are essentially 0 at that point. Might as well take a random shot at hoping something crazy goes your way.
#103 by ThanksBOB // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:38pm
They could run the ball, and have the RB throw the ball to the official, who hits the Buc defender in stride...
Much better to take the knee...
#109 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:47pm
that's much more likely than nothing exciting happening/the Chiefs scoring. MUCH.
#136 by ThanksBOB // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:27pm
I was joking. You apparently weren't. Then again, maybe you heard the Bucs signed Kenny King or something...
#137 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:28pm
I thought you were the other guy.
#90 by Spanosian Magn… // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:23pm
That was my thought, too. There's no tomorrow. Go big or go home.
#101 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:36pm
#88 by theslothook // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:21pm
I guess if theres any team capable of coming back, it's KC. I will be fascinated to see their offensive approach in the second half.
Brady has played outstanding so far but KCs defense is rightly getting exposed now that they aren't playing with a lead and now have to defend every look.
Bucs D deserves a lot of credit. Timely blitzes have not burned them and they've done a good job stopping Hill.
#89 by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:22pm
KC's required halftime adjustment:
Find the switch and flip it.
#92 by DIVISION // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:26pm
...but I don't seem them making up that kind of deficit against this defense.
I don't think they have the guys up front to stop what the Bucs are doing.
It all starts there.
Mahomes is just trying to survive back there.
#93 by Spanosian Magn… // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:27pm
Halftime guys rightly calling out these refs.
They aren't on the take, obviously - but it's long been theorized that "home field advantage" is mostly that their calls favor the home team, and, well, the first half here is a big pile of evidence in support of that.
I really hope they make some contingency to never have a home Super Bowl team again. Whether it's booking a couple of contingency locations every year or just moving it permanently to a neutral size, this is really not acceptable. Maybe just have it in Hawai'i every time.
They seemed to mostly want it as a shiny carrot to entice city governments to shell out for new stadia, but that ship appears to have mostly sailed at this point. Other than building a new Super Bowl Palace someplace teamless......
#94 by theslothook // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:29pm
I'll be curious to see if that ref thing holds up with no fans.
Either way, I think it's just been an inconsistently called game. But either way, KC has been completely outplayed.
#97 by DIVISION // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:35pm
Refs or no refs, it's obvious one team is running their game-plan to perfection, or as close as you can.
KC looks out of sync, maybe distracted and pressing now. Mathieu is having a meltdown because Brady backed up his trash-talk and let him know.
Nothing like an old man basically telling you to sit down and shut-up when you can't do anything about it!
#105 by Spanosian Magn… // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:39pm
Home field "advantage" literally disappeared in 2020. Maybe that's just a blip, but it is striking. And I believe this game is by far the highest-attended game of the season that did not involve the Cowboys playing at home.
At the end of the day, KC has to do better, of course. But those non-DPIs straight-up handed TB 7 points, and the non-pick would've taken another 7 off, to say nothing of what KC might have scored with the short field. It might not entirely erase the deficit, but the game could be quite a bit different if those (frankly, rather obvious) calls are made correctly.
#96 by ThanksBOB // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:32pm
Wonder how long after this game the Brady Bunch meme with Tahhhmy in the middle and the eight officials in tonight's game around the perimeter will show up.
#102 by DIVISION // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:38pm
People will focus more on why the Chiefs didn't play well and Andy Reid's kid almost killing a kid. KC will come back, but it's expecting too much to think they'll score enough to win now.
Tampa is at home. They're as comfortable as a team can be in this situation and with a nice lead.
If I'm proven wrong and KC comes all the way back, I'll certainly give them their props.
#99 by Caw Caw // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:35pm
Gonna need a lot of Jet Wasps to get outta this one.
#104 by Tutenkharnage // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:39pm
C-O-M-P-O-S-U-R-E. Right now, the Chiefs don’t have any. They’ve basically handed the Bucs 11 points by losing their minds, committing dumb penalties, and taking dumb timeouts. They need to pull themselves together and take it one play at a time. If they don’t, they’re T-O-A-S-T.
#106 by DIVISION // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:40pm
First drive for KC is going to tell us a lot.
If they kick a FG or Punt, I think they're basically not up to it.
#107 by DisplacedPackerFan // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:40pm
If TB forces a turnover early in the 3rd the similarities will be even more nuts.
Of course I've said most of the year how similar 2020 KC and 2020 GB were. Now they carry it to the post season. Both teams starting back-ups at tackle against the Bucs. Both teams with middling defenses that make some plays but can't get consistent pressure. Both offense with "uncharacteristic" drops and misses on offense that really are the result of what TB is doing on defense. Both teams giving up longer drives at the end of the half. Both teams failing in the redzone and kicking a FG.
Of course Brady is playing better in the first half than he did against GB and KC is worse on offense in part because the GB line was better, even though it got whipped. Mahomes has made some plays with his legs that Rodgers didn't but he's facing even more pressure. GB did adjust and the offense did play better in the second half despite failing to do anything with all the turnovers. But they also didn't get nearly as chippy on the field as KC has been getting.
The penalties are different though as KC is getting called for shit that TB didn't called for against GB. Though some of the emotional reactions that have burned them are all on them.
KC can make a game of this. They are similar to GB in a lot of ways, but they are more explosive. CEH wasn't bad in his opportunities and GB clawed back into things after getting down 28-10 with some decent running and then taking the big plays when they were there. But this is not unexpected. Like I said in the preview. KC's offense will not look like what we are used to. I underestimated the TB front 7 earlier in the season but I learned my damn lesson.
#110 by Spanosian Magn… // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:51pm
Yeah, I was thinking along those lines too. I figured KC's offense might be better than GB's, but their defense worse. So far, it looks like KC's offense isn't as good as GB's... and their defense is, indeed, quite a bit worse.
One thing GB had were good, strong backs that could force TB to respect the run and keep defenders closer to the line. CEH is just a guy (nice run there, to be fair), and I don't think Bell's even seen the field yet. KC could theoretically achieve similar with Kelce and Hill, but they haven't so far - so TB's able to cover deep and still rush the pass successfully.
I'm not sure if there are any numbers for this, but I do think anecdotally defenses (especially pass rushing) slow down significantly as the game goes on. I'll be pretty surprised if KC doesn't surpass 21 pts before all is said and done - but I'm a lot less sure they'll keep TB from adding significantly more, too.
#217 by jonsilver // Feb 07, 2021 - 11:54pm
I think the fact that defensive lines have rotations on almost every team and no other position group really does is proof in a much more than anecdotal way that pass rushing slows down significantly as the game goes on.
#218 by jonsilver // Feb 07, 2021 - 11:54pm
So now I understand why there's an occasional double (or triple) post...finger twitches! Who knew?
#108 by Willsy // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:43pm
I know he is a great player but the number of completely uncontested catches Kelce gets is amazing.
The contested catch against David was such a contrast to his previous catches. One can only assume that the scheme is designed to create this level of separation but you wonder if that is how the D coordinator wants the coverage to operate.
The move by Antonio Brown for the TD was first class.
#111 by DIVISION // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:52pm
If this all KC can do, this game will just be death by a thousand paper cuts.
#112 by MarkV // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:57pm
I'm pretty disappointed with romo this game - multiple times he's talked about double teaming hill. Especially when it's not relevant to the result of the play, there must be better things to do.
Also they did a feature on Thomas as the official who called the 4th and goal stop, and she very definitely didn't make that call, it was the line judge. I assume that one is on the producers, but can they say least be honest.
#113 by vrao81 // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:59pm
Fournette scores, and TMQ wrote the words "game over" in his note book
#115 by DIVISION // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:00pm
You just didn't have the cojones to say it.
#114 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 8:59pm
Come on KC, at least make it look decent.
#116 by theslothook // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:00pm
#117 by oaktoon // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:01pm
1) at least we scored touchdown by now 2 of them actually
2) brady ain't gonna throw three picks tonight
3) La Fleur and Pettine have company
#118 by theslothook // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:03pm
Has every successful franchise suffered a grisly defeat at the hands of Tom Brady,? I guess only the Broncos have not
#120 by JIPanick // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:07pm
2011 didn't end a realistic Super Bowl bid, but it was pretty grisly.
#122 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:09pm
#125 by theslothook // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:13pm
Well, that team fell ass backwards into that matchup. Kind of hard not to see it was a house money run.
#121 by DIVISION // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:07pm
...but one of Arians' Cardinals teams got blown out at NE by Brady in 2015/2016...
Cards lost 73-0 or or something crazy like that.
#175 by GwillyGecko // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:59pm
2008, by matt cassels patriots
#119 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:06pm
to win more than 1 SB.
Mahomes and company imploding
#126 by DIVISION // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:14pm
Brady is coming back and expect the Bucs to maintain this for a few years.
The Chiefs are going to have to retain their FA's...
#130 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:21pm
KC is like $12m over the cap.
Somehow though the Bucs have $38m. Guess they only have 30 on the roster I suppose
#134 by DIVISION // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:26pm
Players will take a steep discount to play with Brady.
Not so with Mahomes or KC. If you look at careers are a continuum. Brady is still in his late prime while Mahomes is still an infant.
More players respect Brady...
#145 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:32pm
about the Patriot way
#123 by JIPanick // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:09pm
Is it too early to say DVOA 1, fudging the numbers to agree with conventional wisdom 0?
#127 by DIVISION // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:17pm
FO has been vindicated for sure.
#128 by Tutenkharnage // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:19pm
#129 by theslothook // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:20pm
Ill never understand why fans have to take shots at Dvoa as if the book are cooked to sour their team.
#132 by JIPanick // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:25pm
I have no real dog in this one; I was casually rooting for the Chiefs.
#133 by Spanosian Magn… // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:25pm
I think OP's point here is that DVOA was correct - rated TB as more likely to win - then Aaron went in and tinkered with the official prediction to make KC slight favorites.
And I have to agree with them - regardless of any possible miracle comeback, this game has to become a particularly shiny feather in DVOA's cap.
#148 by bundamentals // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:36pm
Unlike the AFC championship game
#206 by Tom Tulpa // Feb 07, 2021 - 11:39pm
One day Arians was walking through a market.
He overheard a customer say to a butcher, "give me the best piece of meat you have."
"Everything in my shop is the best, especially Tom Brady executing a 3rd & short possession game with a stout defense in the playoffs," replied the butcher.
At these words, Arians was enlightened, and a Super Bowl ring appeared on Blaine Gabbert's hand.
#212 by DisplacedPackerFan // Feb 07, 2021 - 11:45pm
Also I said, "Blain Gabbert, Super Bowl Champion" out loud just to really savor the dissonance.
#124 by ImNewAroundThe… // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:10pm
I would not have waived #PlayoffLenny!
#131 by vrao81 // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:22pm
Mahomes finally breaks 100 yards passing, with about 1 minute left in the 3rd. Would not have expected that.
#135 by Tundrapaddy // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:26pm
This reminds me of the old 2005 (?) Seahawks-Steelers Super Bowl! Ahh, good stuff! Just like we came to see!
#138 by Spanosian Magn… // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:28pm
Going to keep harping on this because I'm grumpy: that was more blatant DPI on TB there than KC had on either play of that 1st half drive, or the "holding" that took away the Brady pick.
#149 by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:36pm
I've no dog in this fight other than my long-standing assertion that NFL officiating is consistently awful because the NFL just doesn't care about getting the game called fairly. I'll happily use this match, though, as an example of how bad calls don't always even out over time.
#155 by DIVISION // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:45pm
Sometimes calls are 50/50.
In this game, the Bucs got ALL of those calls.
#158 by theslothook // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:47pm
Calls aside, KC was flat out destroyed. That's the reality
#165 by DoubleB // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:51pm
I can be both a poorly officiated and even a one-sided officiated game and that it have no effect on the game.
#139 by jheidelberg // Feb 07, 2021 - 9:29pm
No flipping the switch says Dandy Don. The switch is jammed at OFF