Sunday Divisional Round Open Discussion

NFL Divisional - Division champions square off as Tampa Bay (14-4) hosts the L.A. Rams (13-5), then the Kansas City Chiefs (13-5) host the Buffalo Bills (12-6).
151 One of the worst timeouts I…
One of the worst timeouts I've ever seen. TB didn't even seem to realize it was 4th down until after they'd gotten into formation, Brady was in the shotgun and all. They were at least as discombobulated as the defense, and in a worse position, and the Rams bailed them out.
138 This can only happen to Brady
He has not played well and as I said earlier to those who said he wasn’t, if you get enough gifts a comeback is possible.
140 I told my Dad at the half…
I told my Dad at the half that the game was basically over, 20-3 and should've been 27-3. He said "Stafford always screws up in the 4th quarter, and Brady always comes back." I guess I still have not yet learned all his wisdom.
154 Or, well. What on earth was…
Or, well.
What on earth was this game.
163 What is your heart rate and blood pressure?
We need to do health check for all Rams fans
168 Putting Stafford in at DB…
Putting Stafford in at DB was a huge mistake.
141 Wow, what a joke/choke
Atlanta should have annihilated Brady and screwed it up; now the Rams are repeating the same errors. If I have to read anything about Brady’s greatness after this game, I’ll throw up, because he’s been very, very bad.
142 Both games yesterday ended on walk-off FGs by the road team
Maybe the Rams have been choking just to make it three for three?
159 Yep, that was it
The playoffs just got 100% better, simply by virtue of not having to read yet another tired TB12 storyline.
145 Rams win, 3rd game decided…
Rams win, 3rd game decided by winning fg.
174 Every game has been decided…
Every game has been decided by a FG as time expired.
149 I guess McVay remembered he…
I guess McVay remembered he had a quarterback at the end.
150 So. As it turns out. Hochuli…
So. As it turns out. Hochuli did make the difference in the game. Maybe the Rams can keep Hochuli all the way to the Super Bowl! What an embarrassment for the NFL. Yet again.
167 Bucs embarassed themselves…
Bucs embarassed themselves. Only four lucky fumble bounces kept them in the game.
223 Wow. That is some pretty…
Wow. That is some pretty amazing analysis there. Your mother must be very proud of you.
169 And so did all of Brady’s incompletions into the turf
Want to guess which one had the bigger impact on the game?
186 It's Gonna Take
more than ganja to wash away this bitter taste.
347 Completely Agree
It was really unprofessional for Hochuli to bat down all those Brady passes, and trip all those Bucs defenders to help the Rams get their big plays. Even WWE refs are more subtle.
153 This is the short of game…
This is the short of game that should cure anyone of believing in momentum. Of course, it won't, but it should.
156 I'm reading some tweets from…
I'm reading some tweets from media members and you can just feel the disappointment emanating from them. They had their narratives all set up. Lol.
171 Hence all my comments of the…
Hence all my comments of the Brady forced fumbles as they were occurring throughout the game. For every narrative, there is a counter narrative.
177 Sportswriters are lazier…
Sportswriters are lazier than vultures.
201 Why wouldn’t Stafford get…
Why wouldn’t Stafford get credit? He scored 30 despite four fumbles by his team.
225 Yeah Akers was the MVP for…
Yeah Akers was the MVP for the Rams, passing game sucked. SARCASM
228 The mental gymnastics and…
The mental gymnastics and weird parsing of credit people engage in to preserve their prior perceptions is amazing.
227 Matt Stafford: "My entire…
Matt Stafford: "My entire team is collapsing around me and there's only one receiver I can trust to bail us out. It's like my entire NFL career has prepared me for this moment."
231 Lol, those last two plays…
Lol, those last two plays definitely gave me flashbacks to 2011.
164 I wonder what the odds are…
I wonder what the odds are that (so far) all games played this weekend came down to last second FGs.
165 How nuts is it that the Bucs…
How nuts is it that the Bucs were down 14 with no TOs and four minutes left and ended up losing because they tied the game up with too much time left on the clock? Lol.
172 Yeah crazy. I wonder if…
Yeah crazy. I wonder if Fournette should have gone down before scoring? After he secured the first down of course.
173 That would be crazy. You…
That would be crazy. You aren't guaranteed to score at all. What the Rams did when they got the ball was quite unlikely, too.
175 I don't think you should go…
I don't think you should go down when you need the TD, but that's a level of win expectation model I haven't internalized yet.
179 Imagine if they had kicked…
Imagine if they had kicked that FG like Al Michaels suggested.
170 Lol, Brady left Stafford too…
Lol, Brady left Stafford too much time…
178 No matter what happens tonight
It’s incumbent on the Bills to get home-field advantage next year and secure that #1 bye. That was the goal this year, and they came up short. No slip-ups next year, whether it be on the road against a bottom-feeder (the Jacksonville game) or on fourth down against another top-seed contender (the Tennessee game). This is especially true of Rodgers leaves Green Bay (provided that he doesn’t end up in Miami with Waddle and Adams, that is).
180 McDermott being aggressive…
McDermott being aggressive early. I like it.
192 Buffalo is playing like they…
Buffalo is playing like they want to win, and like they understand what they need to do if they want to win. I'm curious how long this aggression holds up because you can plan aggression all you want going into a game, but as the clock ticks down the pressure mounts. Hopefully McDermott keeps his nerve and keeps his foot on the pedal.
183 Four fumbles. Four. Akers on…
Four fumbles. Four. Akers on the two yard line when the rams are at least guaranteed 3 points. Kupp on first down after an almost 10 yard gain. That botched snap on first down, where the Bucs managed to gain a nice 30 yards. Then Akers on second down almost on the first down marker.
It wasn’t just the fumbles, it was that they were all so utterly game changing. And yet, the rams still won the game. Absolutely glorious to not have to see another story about Tom freakin Brady.
187 Do a Bart Simpson and write…
Do a Bart Simpson and write Rams won 100 times and you will be fine.
191 Rams won rams won rams won…
Rams won rams won rams won rams won rams won rams won rams won rams won rams won rams won rams won rams won rams won rams won rams won rams won rams won.
That felt good.
Rams won rams won rams won rams won Rams won.
198 I will serve as FO fan…
I will serve as FO fan contributor psychologist as our ARI fan contributor psychologist went into the witness protection program.
184 Bills have their big-boy pants on today
Fingers crossed they don’t pull a Rodgers and never score another touchdown today.
185 Rams-49ers will be a…
Rams-49ers will be a championship game matchup between a team that could have eliminated the other in the closing weeks of the regular season with a win. The last time I can recall that happening was 2009 when the Colts played the Jets in the AFC title game.
188 Since the NFL moved to…
Since the NFL moved to having 7 playoff teams, we've seen two of the three 2. seeds lose in the divisional round as favorites. It will be interesting if the Chiefs make it three out of four. Not getting that week off could be playing a factor.
189 Great response by KC
Buffalo’s defensive linemen just need to finish the deal. They’ve been all around Mahomes on most of his dropbacks.
194 Why does it feel like I'm…
Why does it feel like I'm watching the Super Bowl right now?
Long way to go, but man these two teams look like the class of the league after this weekend.
200 I think these are the two…
I think these are the two best teams in the playoff, but the Rams aren’t much of a step down. If they were half of the clown fiesta they were against Tampa Bay they run away with that game.
That said, this game should be something special.
203 That's what I mean, though:…
That's what I mean, though: the Rams looked nowhere near as clean as I would expect in that game. So far both the Bills and Chiefs look crisp.
If it's one of these teams vs the Rams do you really trust Stafford not to blow it? I don't.
207 I’ve seen the Bills and…
I’ve seen the Bills and Chiefs self-destruct plenty of times in the past couple of seasons, and the Rams mostly fell apart in ways unlikely to be repeated. I don’t think Stafford is that much less trustworthy than Mahomes or Allen. He’s unlikely to lose the Rams a game, he’s just less likely than those two to win them a game.
but that’s what Aaron Donald is for.
213 I'm not saying the Rams…
I'm not saying the Rams defensive line isn't great, but I trust the Bills/Chiefs D to wreck the Rams offense more than vice versa.
208 Honestly, yeah I trust…
Honestly, yeah I trust Stafford more than I trust Allen. Although I don't trust either of them very much in absolute terms - which is why I'm rooting for that matchup.
210 It wasn’t Stafford that put…
It wasn’t Stafford that put the ball on the ground twice in position to score or run the game out, or that missed a short FG short.
214 Yah, I know, which is what…
Yah, I know, which is what makes it worse. He's not the only one screwing up.
224 What have you been watching?
Stafford has played close to flawless football in these two playoff games...and his late drive was no surprise...when the Lions had a semi-competitive team in 2016 (under Caldwell), Stafford had 8 game-winning drives at the end of fourth quarters.
237 "Stafford has played close…
"Stafford has played close to flawless football in these two playoff games..."
Apparently not the same game you were. I saw quite a few mistakes by Stafford in the Bucs game. Plus a bunch of plays he was bailed out by his receivers.
I mean, he looked better than Brady, sure, but Brady had a pretty bad game.
265 He also looked quite a bit…
He also looked quite a bit better than either winning quarterback on Saturday.
He had the near INT in the end zone in the first drive, and another one that was a great play by Devin White more than it was a bad throw by him. The aborted snap doesn’t seem like his fault. The fumble on the last drive wasn’t great, and he was lucky to recover it. Not flawless, but not “quite a few mistakes” (that would be Jimmy G’s game).
Not sure what you’re referring to with his receivers bailing him out. There were no early career Megatron jump balls out there. Kupp’s touchdown was underthrown, but that happens. On the last pass, Kupp of course deserves credit for getting by his man, but Stafford also made a nice throw that was dead on target. An over or under throw there is incomplete.
But of course Allen and Mahomes are both better (but I don’t think anyone was arguing that).
421 You said it better than I…
You said it better than I could have, JHP...one caveat: I had the sense Stafford's knee touched down before the ball came loose...if Tampa had recovered, there would have been a review...of course, we'll never know...
461 He also looked quite a bit…
He also looked quite a bit better than either winning quarterback on Saturday.
That's not a high bar!
But of course Allen and Mahomes are both better (but I don’t think anyone was arguing that).
That's where this conversation started, actually. As in, who would I trust more, Allen versus the Rams defense or Stafford versus the Bills defense? Um, after Sunday? Allen. Hell yes.
That's the difficulty here - we are talking playoff teams. Stafford didn't play horribly. Absolutely not! But he didn't play perfectly, and holy crap, both Allen and Mahomes basically are playing perfectly.
226 I know playoffs and reg…
I know playoffs and reg season are different, but it would be fair to point out that the Titans, who just got eliminated, beat both of these teams (the Chiefs by 24 points). Teams can look really good or really bad in individual games. The fact that the Rams had every random and weird thing possible go wrong for them in the second half, yet won anyway, should bode well for them.
202 Because they probably ARE the class of the league
No offense to the other three teams, of course.
204 Oh no, I totally meant…
Oh no, I totally meant offense to the others. They looked like crap, and it wasn't due to the other team's defense.
205 Of course, now the Football…
Of course, now the Football Gods will make the Super Bowl Bengals-Niners.
206 God, if they hated us that…
God, if they hated us that much it would've been Steelers-Cowboys.
211 It would be the third super…
It would be the third super bowl involving those teams.
256 It's still just one week of…
It's still just one week of games. The Chiefs almost lost to the Broncos a few weeks ago. The week before that they did lose to the Bengals. The Bills have looked solid for a while now but did lose to the Jags earlier this season.
197 As with the Von Miller trade
The Melvin Ingram trade was totally worth it
199 Sure was
The Bills were in on both trades and couldn’t close the deal. Very disappointing then, and even more disappointing in hindsight. Buffalo’s defensive line has a high adjust sack rate and a high pass-rush win rate but doesn’t have that singular talent who can close the deal with regularity.
209 Here’s a comment that’s…
Here’s a comment that’s guaranteed to age well.
”I mean, the 9ers can’t beat our Rams 7 times in a row can they?”
I said it ironically so I think I’m safe.
212 The Raiders eventually got…
The Raiders eventually got past the Steelers.
215 Kind of funny
But this crew (most of it) had the lowest rate of defensive holding calls in the league this year. That call against the Bills for holding Hill … eh, “weak” might be too strong, but not by much.
Great play by Mahomes for the touchdown on the subsequent third down. Bills need points before KC can add to this lead, either before halftime or on the opening drive of the second half.
217 Now THAT was holding
Should have held Hill on the play afterward. Much better option than letting him run down the field uncovered.
220 Harrison Butker just misses wide right from 50 yards out
And these teams will head to the locker rooms tied at 14-all. Feels about right, although I’d give a slight edge to the Chiefs in that half. Some of that is because of how the Bills chose to attack the defense early, with a heavy dose of running that was almost certain to produce a lower YPP figure.
221 Holding calls
Are the refs missing some holding calls on the chiefs online here ?
229 KC's offense is to force…
KC's offense is to force Edmunds into choice after choice and its spinning him in circles
232 On that last play
On that last play before the FG one OL held two different guys in succession. Definitely getting a bit of home cooking. Nothing egregious that I've noticed, but a little. Then again I'm pulling for Buf.
Edit: Meant to reply to one above
234 There’s a reason I’ve been calling him “Risto” for years
He seems to lack feel for the game, and I’m sick of hearing about his physical attributes and how he’s going to get better. Never seems to click for him.
It’s a hockey reference, for the record.
230 I will never not hear his…
I will never not hear his name as "Eric, the Enemy."
247 Singletary has missed some…
Singletary has missed some huge holes tonight. Allen has been on fire.
Kinda hope DaBoll gets that head-coaching jerb
241 Seems beyond comprehension,…
Seems beyond comprehension, especially with Mathieu out
253 Very conservative offensive…
Very conservative offensive game plan. Even more conservative punt on 4th-and-1, which turned out smashingly.
Now down by 10 - oops, scratch that, 9 - likely Bills get more aggressive.
EDIT: err, yeah aggressive like that.
236 Punting on 4th and less than a yard?
McDermott you gotta believe in your offense
246 That was really bad. Bills…
That was really bad. Bills started off the game so well with playcalling and decision making. Really down since then.
238 The classic inexplicable…
The classic inexplicable McDermott turtle
239 McDermott should not have…
McDermott should not have punted there. Bills need a stop on D — a field goal is fine, but I don’t think they can afford to fall behind by multiple scores.
244 Yeah, Allen is too hard to stop on fourth and a foot or two
They can’t fall behind by two scores. They needed to take the lead on that drive and put pressure on KC to respond.
242 Our defensive ends keep…
Our defensive ends keep rushing too far upfield, Mahomes is constantly escaping right through the B gap and our tackles can't catch him.
243 Our defensive ends keep…
Our defensive ends keep rushing too far upfield, Mahomes is constantly escaping right through the B gap and our tackles can't catch him.
250 Losing without going down…
Losing without going down swinging has to be the worst, worse than a late second FG
251 McDermott Just Threw Away the Game
4th and 1-- on the road v Mahomes-- of course you go for it... LaFleur had a failure of nerve for GB last night too on a 4th and 2 near midfield.... You'd think they would know better
254 Buffalo’s lack of top-flight talent on defense is showing
This defense has always been more than the sum of its parts. Communication and scheme familiarity have gone a long way, but they don’t have that top-end DL who can seal the deal, the game-changing LB Edmunds was drafted to be, or the ball-hawking cornerback (even if Tre was healthy). It’s proving to be the difference against Kansas City’s offensive playmakers, almost all of whom can break loose at any time. It’s like watching the Golden State Warriors: they’re playing a different game than everyone else, and their roster feeds right into it.
264 I think the D has played…
I think the D has played well, especially coverage. Mahomes has just been ridiculous.
269 You know what would be nice?
If the cutesy Chiefs showed up just one time against the Bills. Heck, I’d settle for having them show up just for this quarter.
292 Well, they showed up for one…
Well, they showed up for one play and KC settled for a FG, so it's still a one score game partway through Q4, though BUF now needs a TD.
277 Yeah
It's funny. Statistically (both traditional stats and DVOA) we had a defense that was great and an offense that was merely good this year.
But it sure feels the other way around. The offense had a couple stinkers, to be sure, but when they're on (as last week) there really isn't much room for improvement. Whereas the defense has really benefited from the lack of games against top-flight QBs. As you say, they're solid, but without a true game-changing player.
260 OT is now highly unlikely. …
OT is now highly unlikely. A last play FG for the win is, on the other hand, very much in play for the fourth time this weekend.
310 Touche, Sir! At 29-26, your…
Touche, Sir! At 29-26, your scenario is now in play and my, much more general scenario, looks to be out (although with these teams and all their time outs, each, two FG attempts in the final minute-fifty isn't impossible).
259 Holy shit That TD makes the…
Holy shit
That TD makes the previous decisions even more indefensible. Allen is an effing G!!
262 Four road teams are not…
Four road teams are not winning the entire divisional round
263 I wonder if the Bills should…
I wonder if the Bills should have gone for two in the hope of catching up via two-point conversions. If the teams keep trading scores that would allow them a way to tie the game anyway.
266 Could play out like this
KC FG 26-21
BUFF TD 26-27 + 2 PT 26-29
KC FG 29-29
OT
270 KC being held to FGs doesn't…
KC being held to FGs doesn't seem that likely, though.
267 The chances of a crazy…
The chances of a crazy forced pass INT by Mahomes are rising, as BUF continues to pressure him. KC possessions feel like they are likely going to end in either a score or a turnover for the remainder of this game.
EDIT: well, the second part of that prediction didn't last even 5 minutes LOL
271 I don't like punting from…
I don't like punting from the other side of midfield, not when Mahomes is your quarterback.
This game has not exactly been a coaching clinic.
273 Its not 4th and 1 but I…
Its not 4th and 1 but I expect 4th and 4 punt from Reid to get poor marks.
I am letting my offense win this game from both sidelines
274 I don't understand why we're…
I don't understand why we're featuring Reggie Gilliam so much. Has he even played 30 snaps in a game to this point?.
276 That's more punts already…
That's more punts already than I expected in this fourth quarter.
279 What’s the penalty for going out of bounds on a kick?
Must be 15 yards, right? I was surprised the Chiefs had the option to force another kick.
280 Since the announcers were…
Since the announcers were busy with their small talk, can anyone explain why the personal foul on the punt was ignored? It seemed relevant to the game to me.
288 Offsetting penalties don’t…
Offsetting penalties don’t differentiate between severity and yardage (I’m pretty sure there is an exception but I can’t for the life of me remember what it is). Replay the down.
291 I thought the exception was…
I thought the exception was a 15-yarder vs. a 5-yarder. But that's not what happened there.
293 There’s a 5-and-15 exception
And I can’t figure out how Reid got the choice for a second kick; most offsetting penalties involve an automatic replay.
294 The refs didn't explain. The…
The refs didn't explain. The announcers didn't explain. I'm sure there are several million confused fans.
296 Maybe it's because…
Maybe it's because possession had already changed by the time the two penalties occurred. There's no KC-possession play to replay, so instead KC gets the option of keeping the ball and applying the penalties or giving the ball back to BUF for a replay? I'm guessing.
295 I think running out of…
I think running out of bounds is unsportsmanlike conduct, so it’s not a typical 5 yarder.
281 That punt reminds me of…
That punt reminds me of Tyreek Hill at Oklahoma State, when OU accepted a penalty and punted to Hill a second time, which he returned to the house. Never punt to Hill twice.
(I know KC was the one who accepted the penalty, but Hill is a truly dangerous return man)
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