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2007 Football Outsiders Awards Part II

comments by Aaron Schatz

Welcome to the second half of the results from our fifth annual awards balloting. If you missed it, Doug Farrar went through the first half of the results last week, and this page has links to the awards results from previous seasons.

Which is your choice for Game of the Year in 2007? (New category)


32.0% Week 9: Patriots 24, Colts 20
24.5% Week 13: Patriots 27, Ravens 24
17.1% NFC Championship:Giants 23, Packers 20 (OT)
7.7% Week 2: Browns 51, Bengals 45
5.6% NFC Divisional Round: Giants 21, Cowboys 17
5.5% Week 12: Bears 37, Broncos 34 (OT)
4.2% Week 7: Titans 38, Texans 26
3.3% Week 10: Chargers 23, Colts 21

Hey, remember "The Game of the Century?" In the "comment box" at the end of the awards, a few people asked why we didn't include the Week 17 game between the Giants and Patriots. The FO staff picked plenty of Patriots or Giants games for this category, and I guess we just thought these other games were a little more memorable. Of course, if we had done this a week later, we would have included a Patriots-Giants game, because Super Bowl XLII was the real Game of the Year and one of the most exciting Super Bowls ever. The media still talks about the Super Bowl as if we should expect a blowout, but six of the past seven Super Bowls were close in the fourth quarter.

Which is the best announcing team in the NFL? (top eight listed) (Last year's winner: Madden/Michaels)


25.8% John Madden and Al Michaels, NBC
22.3% Mike Tirico, Tony Kornheiser, and Ron Jaworski, ESPN
8.0% Jim Nantz and Phil Simms, CBS
8.0% Gus Johnson and Steve Tasker, CBS
7.4% Bryant Gumbel and Cris Collinsworth, NFL Network
7.4% Joe Buck and Troy Aikman, FOX
4.8% Kevin Harlan and Rich Gannon, CBS
4.6% Kenny Albert, Daryl Johnston, and Tony Siragusa, FOX

That's two straight years for NBC's Sunday Night team. They stay ahead of the Monday Night crew because, based on your comments, it looks like negative feelings about Tirico and Kornheiser do enough to cancel out all the Jaworski love. Buck and Aikman continue to plummet; they were first in 2005, and are now down to sixth. FO readers may not be the most accurate sample of standard viewers, but this is one group of fans who are clearly sick of Joe Buck.

The surprise this year is Jim Nantz and Phil Simms jumping up from eighth to third, which seems strange because I've seen a number of complaints about Simms in the discussion threads. (Don't worry, they also get plenty of votes for "worst team.") Gus Johnson and Steve Tasker are the highest of the low-profile teams for the second straight year. Perhaps CBS should think about moving these guys up the ladder of game assignments so more people can enjoy them?

Other than replacing Joe Theismann with Ron Jaworski, the biggest move of the year was FOX breaking up the Dick Stockton-Daryl Johnston team. They led all Sunday afternoon teams in votes for "best announcing team" last year, and hardly received any votes for "worst announcing team" during the first four years of our balloting.

I was surprised there weren't more votes for Ron Pitts and Tony Boselli, but I guess most of you just don't get to see them, because unlike me you aren't filling holes in game charting by watching lots of Arizona and Atlanta games. Boselli is a cliché machine before things get going, but after kickoff the guy is really, really good.

Once again, we added a space for readers to tell us what they like best about these teams. Here's a sampling of comments.

John Madden and Al Michaels

  • Unlike the rest, Madden and Michaels each provide their stamp on the game without stepping all over each other for soundbites.
  • Madden actually breaks down the plays and tries to tell me things I don't know.
  • Michaels is, hands down, the best play-by-play man in history, and Madden, for all his faults, is good at explaining elementary concepts to the "non-football fan."
  • Insightful commentary, no mention of celebrities, and very few clichés. Plus, Madden has great stories.
  • John Madden is just hilarious and Al Michaels is really, really tiny.

Mike Tirico, Tony Kornheiser, and Ron Jaworski

  • Tirico does a passable job with play-by-play, Jaworski's analysis is great, and I even like Kornheiser's humor. Next year, ditch the interviews, please!
  • Jaworski's knowledge is unsurpassed. Kornheiser is actually very good in this role: he provides some perspective, and knows how to ask good questions. He tees up Jaworski well. Tirico is serviceable as a play-by-play man.
  • Jaworski has more insightful comments than the rest of the color commentators combined.

Most of the comments on this team just said "Jaws" or "Jaworski" without further explanation. (No further explanation needed, right?)

Jim Nantz and Phil Simms

  • Nantz does efficient play-by-play with few errors, Simms does a good job concisely breaking down why certain decisions are made. They don't have much tolerance for the navel-gazing a lot of other announcing teams take part in when they run out of material.
  • Everyone has flaws, but these guys have been around a long time, don't say too many stupid things, and are at least likable.
  • Insightful at times, and understated.
  • While Simms is often an egregious blockhead, he occasionally does find interesting things to say, and Nantz is by far the best play-by-play man on the list; Michaels has lost a step and Joe Buck is simply intolerable.

Gus Johnson and Steve Tasker

  • Gus Johnson could make a snail race exciting.
  • Gus Johnson alone is enough. That's it. He could be selling me drapes on QVC and I'd be enthralled.
  • Gus Johnson is the one announcer who actually increases the adrenaline rush an NFL game provides simply by his presence. He made the "search for the 50-yard line" in the Cleveland-Buffalo game an exciting event.
  • Gus is a fan and it shows in his broadcasts. Tasker is just spot on with his analysis. They also do a better job with the lower tier games then the upper end teams do with the major games.

Bryant Gumbel and Cris Collinsworth

  • As I said last year, it seems like a conversation between the two people. I think Gumbel helps more than he hurts, and Collinsworth is allowed to actually analyze and even criticize his bosses if he chooses.
  • Collinsworth is willing to point out changes in formation and personnel as part of adjustments, and he does a pretty good job explaining what happened on the play. Regarding Gumbel, his miscues are always good for some cheap laughs, and he is willing to admit his shortcomings, which I didn't expect from a TV celebrity.
  • Cris Collinsworth often says things that increase my understanding of the game. The dulcet tones of Bryant Gumbel's voice allow me to occasionally ignore what he says.
  • Collinsworth provides real-time, thoughtful analysis that no one else (unfortunately, Jaws included) even approaches. Bryant Gumbel sucks.

Joe Buck and Troy Aikman

  • I like Troy Aikman as an analyst. I like his insight, and I like his lack of fluff.
  • Aikman is the best out there. He's so good he makes up for how bad Buck can be.
  • I enjoy Troy Aikman's breakdowns of pass defense and offense, and Joe Buck has a good sense of the moment. Plus, he is one of the few people on earth who understood the brilliance of Freddie Mitchell.

Kevin Harlan and Rich Gannon

  • Harlan's play-by-play is generally exciting, and Gannon usually gives actual insights on things that happen, instead of brainless gushing.
  • They call formations and particularly substitutions much more regularly than others.
  • I don't feel the need to stab myself in the ear with a power tool when Rich Gannon is talking about football.

Kenny Albert, Daryl Johnston, and Tony Siragusa

  • Albert is unobnoxious, Moose occasionally knows what he's watching and Siragusa occasionally gives you something different from the sideline, although it usually descends into fat jokes pretty quickly.
  • Against all odds, I actually kind of like Tony Siragusa.
  • They actually offer enlightening commentary as to what is happening on the field. Also, I have to say that it is Johnston and Siragusa who make this team work. I actually liked this group better last year when they had Dick Stockton doing the play-by-play.

Who wins the Three Stooges Award for worst announcing team in the NFL? (top eight listed) (Last year's winner: Tirico/Korenheiser/Theismann)


26.1% Bryant Gumbel and Cris Collinsworth, NFL Network
13.7%  Jim Nantz and Phil Simms, CBS
13.5% Joe Buck and Troy Aikman, FOX
13.3% Mike Tirico, Tony Kornheiser, and Ron Jaworski, ESPN
7.5% Kenny Albert, Daryl Johnston, and Tony Siragusa, FOX
5.6% Al Michaels and John Madden, NBC
5.4% Greg Gumbel and Dan Dierdorf, CBS
3.5% Dick Enberg and Randy Cross, CBS

I happen to like Bryant Gumbel's more laid-back approach to the game, but seriously, dude, learn the names of the players. Al Gore does not play football, and Rick Romo doesn't even exist. I think next year we may separate the play-by-play guys from the color analysts; given the results of a later question, I don't think a lot of people have a big problem with Cris Collinsworth. I understand that brother Greg isn't moving down from the second spot in the CBS lineup, but I would love to see CBS make Rich Gannon his new partner, and then move Johnson and Tasker up to the third spot, past Enberg and Cross.

Who is the best pregame personality? (top ten listed) (Last year's winner: Ron Jaworski)


22.5% Cris Collinsworth, NBC
8.8% Bill Parcells, ESPN
8.6% Tom Jackson, ESPN
7.6% Kenny Mayne, ESPN
5.5% Steve Young, ESPN
5.3% Howie Long, FOX
4.9% Terry Bradshaw, FOX
4.7% Marshall Faulk, NFL Network
4.7% Deion Sanders, NFL Network
3.7% Frank Caliendo, FOX

See what I mean when I say that the problem with the NFL Network's broadcast team does not seem to be Cris Collinsworth?

Who is the worst pregame personality? (top ten listed) (Last year's winner: Michael Irvin)


28.7% Emmitt Smith, ESPN
19.4% Shannon Sharpe, CBS
7.6% Deion Sanders, NFL Network
7.4% Tiki Barber, NBC
5.2% Terry Bradshaw, FOX
5.2% Frank Caliendo, FOX
4.7% Keyshawn Johnson, ESPN
2.9% Peter King, NBC
2.3% Barry Switzer, FOX
2.3% Boomer Esiason, CBS

Emmitt Smith is the greatest malaprop machine since Norm Crosby, and everything Shannon Sharpe says sounds like "garble garble hrkgskhsdgskdghghgth." I'm not sure why people have a problem with Sanders. Now that Sanders has grown up and matured, his "Prime Time" machine is built to promote the game itself rather than his own ego, and the guy knows his football. (Anyone who watched the "Dick Vermeil loses his voice" game in 2006 knows that the Dr. Z column which slagged Sanders and Marshall Faulk was just plain ludicrous.) Barber is just inoffensive and vanilla, but he really seems to be mailing it in on Sunday nights, doing what NBC wants in the hope that they'll eventually let him do straight news.

Who is the best pregame host? (Last year's winner: James Brown)


39.5% James Brown, CBS
19.8% Rich Eisen, NFL Network
17.8% Chris Berman, ESPN
15.1% Bob Costas, NBC
3.9% Sal Paolantonio, ESPN
2.9% Curt Menefee, FOX
1.0% Stuart Scott, ESPN

James Brown widens his lead. Rich Eisen is a consummate professional. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Chris Berman's schtick still works when it is being done by Chris Berman and not another ESPN anchor who thinks he's Chris Berman. Oh, and yes, I totally forgot Keith Olbermann in this category. Or the personality category. Either way, I forgot him. Sorry about that, Olbermanniacs.

Who is the worst pregame host? (Last year's winner: Joe Buck)


38.1% Stuart Scott, ESPN
22.3% Chris Berman, ESPN
13.6% Curt Menefee, FOX
9.9% Sal Paolantonio, ESPN
9.5% Bob Costas, NBC
3.9% Rich Eisen, NFL Network
2.7% James Brown, CBS

Dear Stuart Scott. Please feel free to continue your medical leave indefinitely. Love, the readers of Football Outsiders.

Last year's winners for best and worst commercial were memorable enough that, from this point forward, we've actually named our awards after them.

The "Get Your Story Straight" Award for best commercial during NFL games this year goes to:


24.4% Mastercard "Peyton Manning Priceless Pep Talks"
18.6% Southwest Airlines "Guy throws game controller through TV"
17.9% Nike "Shawne Merriman/Steven Jackson"
13.5% NFL Network "Joe's Diner"
10.9% Bud Light "Dude"
7.9% Toyota "World of Warcraft"
4.5% Old Spice "Softball Slide"
2.3% Miller Lite "More Taste League"

What an upset! Pretty much the whole FO staff was in awe of the Shawne Merriman/Steven Jackson ad. I guess good humor trumps amazing cinematography.

The "John Mellencamp Must Die" Award for most annoying commercial during NFL games this year goes to:


26.3% Viva Viagra!
13.3% Dr. Pepper "Fat lineman dances after touchdown"
13.1% Coors Light ruins Dennis Green press conference
7.9% Macintosh iPod ruins Feist's "1-2-3-4"
7.3% Sprint "Manning's Mind"
6.9% Heineken "Techno Keg Chick"
6.8% Cadillac "In Today's Luxury Game"
5.6% Miller Lite "More Taste League"
5.3% Bud Light "Dude"
4.3% Macintosh iPod "Music is my Boyfriend"
3.2% Mastercard "Peyton Manning Priceless Pep Talks"

I'm not sure why "Viva Viagra" was chosen as the worst ad, since it was so true to life. I mean, don't many of the football fans you know spend their free time sitting around an old barbeque joint, singing about how they can't get erections?

What is your favorite team-specific website or blog? (top nine listed) (Last year's winner: Reiss's Pieces)


Field Gulls
Reiss's Pieces
Jacksonville Jaguars official site
Patriots Daily
Heels, Sox, and Steelers
Big Blue Interactive
Blogging the Boys
Philadelphia Eagles official site
Purple Pride

With so many blogs getting one vote, there's no point in listing percentages here. Once again this year, I forgot to say "independent website" in the question, so I decided to just say "screw it" and list the top sites receiving votes, even official team websites. A lot of people consider Jaguars.com the best and most independent team website, but I was surprised at the votes for the Philadelphia Eagles' official site.

I know John Morgan likes to link to us and use FO stats a lot, and he shows up in the comment threads, but still, I was a little shocked at the number of votes for Field Gulls.

With Mike Sando gone for ESPN.com, the Tacome News-Tribune Seahawks Blog dropped from second in 2006 to a tie for tenth in 2007. Also tied for tenth: 18to88.com, Extreme Skins, Packers News, Pewter Report, The 700 Level, and Two Bills Drive.

Bias admission: Heels, Sox, and Steelers is run by our very own Ryan Wilson, and Bill Barnwell has done a weekly column for Patriots Daily for two years now.

Which local NFL writer do you feel deserves a more national profile? (Last year's winners: Mike Reiss and Mike Sando)

And, lo and behold, one of last year's winners got that national profile.

The winners in this category get even fewer votes than the winners in the previous category, but Mike Reiss (still with the Boston Globe) got more than twice as many votes as anyone else. If history is a guide, one of the big national websites should be scooping up Reiss soon, just like they scooped up Sando a year ago and Tom Curran the year before that. In second place is Vic Ketchman from the Jaguars' official site, but I don't think I would consider him a "local writer," as he is technically an employee of the team. Getting at least four votes:

  • Albert Breer, Dallas Morning News
  • Mike Carlson, NFLUK.com
  • Matt Maiocco, Santa Rosa Press-Democrat

Getting at least three votes:

  • Rick Gosselin, Dallas Morning News
  • Bob Kravitz, Indianapolis Star
  • Jason LaCanfora, Washington Post
  • Bob McGinn, Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

The funniest thing to happen during the 2007 NFL season was: (Last year's winner: Dennis Green post-MNF press conference)


22.4% Punt sticks in ground during Steelers-Dolphins "Mud Bowl"
18.3% Brian Billick blows a kiss to Rodney Harrison
18.2% Phil Dawson's double-boink field goal against Baltimore
17.4% Josh Brown's geeked-up celebration after tackling Devin Hester
14.7% Jimmy Kimmel's "Where's Joe?" routine on Monday Night Football
9.0% Chad Johnson's aborted Lambeau Leap

As they say around the Internet, that Steelers-Dolphins game was "teh awesome."

Finally, for the third straight year, we asked readers about their favorite team. Here's a look at the top 15 teams, along with rank last year in the top 15.


Favorite Team of FO Readers, End of 2007 Season
Rk Team Pct LY x Rk Team Pct LY x Rk Team Pct LY
1 NE 15.6% 5   6 CHI 4.6% 4   11 WAS 3.3% 8
2 PHI 8.1% 1   7 NONE 4.4% --   12 MIN 3.2% --
3 SEA 7.9% 6   8 NYG 4.4% 7   13 SF 3.0% 10
4 PIT 6.1% 2   9 GB 4.2% 9   14 BUF 2.6% 12
5 IND 4.9% 3   10 DAL 3.5% --   15 DEN 2.5% 11

Hmmm. I know winning teams attract more fans, but that's a bit ridiculous. What's strange is that over three years of asking this question, the percentage of Patriots fans on the site has gone from 11.4 percent to 6.5 percent to 15.6 percent. Were all the New England-based readers just asleep during last year's balloting? Anyway, we're tired of writing about this, but the whole "Patriots bias" thing really has more to do with the readers than it does with the writers. (In fact, when it comes to either stats or teams in general, a lot of statements that "FO said X" should really be "FO readers said X.") Otherwise, we continue to be popular in Pennsylvania, the Pacific Northwest, and that area that WGN viewers know so well, "Chicagoland and Northwest Indiana." On second thought, make that all of Indiana.

For the third straight year, the team supported by the fewest FO readers (well, the fewest award-voting FO readers) is Arizona. And hey, Jets fans, wake up and represent. The Giants fans are kicking your ass.

Thanks to everyone for participating in the awards again this year. Each year we get more votes than the year before, a nice sign of our growing readership.

Comments

91 comments, Last at 05 Mar 2008, 3:00pm

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Out of curiosity, do we have any Jacksonville fans? They have to exist somewhere. It's not even like they're a bad team or anything, and yet nobody likes them.

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What’s strange is that over three years of asking this question, the percentage of Patriots fans on the site has gone from 11.4 percent to 6.5 percent to 15.6 percent. Were all the New England-based readers just asleep during last year’s balloting?

Doesn't the vote usually take place right after the championship games? It seemed to me that a good percentage of the Patriots-fan contingent stayed away from the site for some time after last year's Championship Game loss to the Colts, and more were here this year after the AFC-C because the Patriots still had a game to play and discuss. This seems to be the norm - the Colts and Bears each had 8% of the vote last year, while the Steelers had 10% two years ago (the Seahawks percentage, for some reason, has gone up.)

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Actually, considering the challenges of the product, I think the "Viva Viagra" commercial was pretty good. I mean, could you do a better commercial to sell Viagra to football fans? I didn't think so.

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"(Anyone who watched the "Dick Vermeil loses his voice" game in 2006 knows that the Dr. Z column which slagged Sanders and Marshall Faulk was just plain ludicrous.)"

Yup. Sanders is incredible in the booth, where for the most part he turns off the Primetime act and offers a lot of very precise and thoughtful analysis. It's infuriating that I still have to listen to Phil Simms while these guys are available.

MNF is still the worst crew to me; Jaws' level of analysis was a bit disappointing relative to what I expected, and he's consistently drowned out by Kornheiser and the whole celebrity dog and pony show.

I saw a lot of Falcons games this year, but I have to say Boselli never really registered with me. A lot of the time I just ended up muting it and turning on the radio PBP tho; I'll give him more of a shot next year.

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Field gulls is awesome. And I didn't even vote, so its fans might be underrepresented in the poll. The trick to Field Gulls is that we don't entirely know whether what John says is right, but he's really detailed and well-argued, so that he sounds darn good saying all that stuff.

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Jets fans, wake up and represent. The Giants fans are kicking your ass

Do Jets fans know of anything other than getting their asses kicked?

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You've got a bit of a confusing typo near the end of the article.

"For the first time since Football Outsiders launched in 2003, the New England Patriots are _not_ the most popular team among FO readers."

That not should be a now or the chart is really wonky. :)

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Morgan has done a great job in picking up the slack as the post-Sando TNT blog has absolutely gone down the tubes. I don't agree with everything John writes, but I know that there's a lot of work put into whatever is up there.

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Out of curiosity, do we have any Jacksonville fans? They have to exist somewhere. It’s not even like they’re a bad team or anything, and yet nobody likes them.

I really don't have a team for the most part, but I do kind of like the Jags. Hell, you have to admire them, honestly. They won a lot of games last year with the terrible triumvirate of assistants including Mike Shula, Mike Tice, and Dave Campo. That's impressive.

As for the fans, though, it is such a young team, relatively speaking, and it is also such a small market. The Jags aren't even one of the more highly publicized teams in their own state, muchless the country. I mean this is the same team that struggles to avoid blackouts despite having a damn good football team. I think the main reason you don't see many Jaguars fans is because there are simply not that many Jaguars fans.

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i am surprised Simms rated so high with his color commentary because he seems to have an i told you so attitude half of the time despite contradicting what he previously stated in the first half. I think if Jaws or Aikman were set up with a great play by play guy like Nantz, they would blow Simms analysis in big AFC games out of the water.

Wow, the fan percentages really help explain those "most underrated" special teams player votes from last week.

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I spent a couple of minutes staring at the last table wondering how 4% of the people who visit this site can be fans of the Saints and the Patriots equally.

Not my brightest moment.

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"Were all the New England-based readers just asleep during last year’s balloting?"

COUGH***bandwagon***COUGH

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The Jags will be out of Jacksonville within 10 years. They get little local support, play in a sub-par stadium and the NFL still wants an LA team.

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Like the poster a little ways above, I was expecting a bit more from Jaws in the booth. He's just fabulous breaking down plays, yet for whatever reason that doesn't really come across during the game. Whether he can't do it off the cuff or they wanted him to dumb things down for the casual fan, I don't know.

Any idea why the Seahawks have so much love in the fan poll?

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""For the first time since Football Outsiders launched in 2003, the New England Patriots are not the most popular team among FO readers.""

Que?

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Between Doug Farrar running Seahawks.net and John Morgan with Field Gulls, I'm not surprised Seahawks fans are getting channeled to Football Outsiders.

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I'm thinking the line about the Patriots is a cut-and-paste from last year.

I'm a proud Simms hater, by the way. I have no idea how his team ranked 3rd.

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I appreciate the recognition. If not for Football Outsiders, I wouldn't be writing football. This site is the standard bearer for intelligent football analysis.

Thank you all.

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I'm actually a little surprised at how highly "Manning's Mind" ranked for worst commercial. I thought it was, at least, significantly better than "Dude."

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Whoops. That Pats comment was a leftover from last year, that I forgot to edit... sorry about that. That paragraph is now updated.

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#1: There are a few - I know Sam! is a pretty active poster, and there are others as well (and of course I count myself). From what I can tell, the Jags' support is basically centered in Jacksonville and surrounding counties. The suburbs are (or were pre-housing crisis) growing quickly, and there is a new generation of young Jaguar fans growing up which will help. I think the wider area's saturation with NFL teams (Atlanta, TB, Miami) and the lack of any marquee Jacksonville players or media attention has helped keep them local. With fantasy hero MJD and the recent love, that may change somewhat in future.

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Emmitt Smith as the worst pregame personality? Anyone that can apply the, um, 'word', "debacled", to almost anything, deserves better.

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I can't remember - was Rooster Teeth's never-aired, Dallas Clark Is Awesome "ad" from this season, or last season?

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re Jacksonville ...

they barely have the Internets there you know... just not that many fans, period. that franchise is SO not going to survive there.

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I don't understand how anybody can listen to Phil Simms, and not feel like their slowly becoming more stupid. Now that Theisman is off the air, he has to be the single worst commentator on the air.

Also, I'm surprised by how low Dallas is. Aren't they America's Team? I guess their not FO's team.

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Man, Matt Maiocco getting some love. Awesome.

The "Gus Johnson can make a snail race exciting" comment basically sums the guy up. I have been entertained by basically every game I get the chance to watch with him. It's not like he some dumb-but-excited guy, either. He sums up the big moments better than any broadcaster in the business today. I'm with the the other Johnson fans in saying that if he had been somehow calling the Super Bowl, the Eli/Tyree play would have been that much better. Joe Buck basically comatose response to it was absolutely horrible.

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I had to change my name because the ! was disallowing me from posting. Jaguars fans are just busy, you know, working. At their jobs.

wrt to "C" who claims that the Jaguars will be gone within 10 years... well... you're a little late to the party. It was much more probably a year ago. We are growing much closer to selling the stadium out on a season-ticket basis. Jacksonville is not a particularly wealthy market and remember that is a very, very small market. The proportion of stadium seats to market population might very well be the highest in the league. And there's absolutely no historical tradition to speak of. Given all that, the team is doing well. Support is growing and the national profile is increasing, having made the playoffs two of the last three years.

wrt to the subpar stadium, I'd like to know more about this. Have you been here recently, or ever? It was good enough to host a super bowl, I would imagine it's good enough for you.

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14 - Not wanting to defend Pats fans, but as a Packers fan I understand completely. The week after the NFC Champ Game, I wanted nothing to do with football. I didn't go to sites. I didn't read the mail at my yahoo group. I just wanted to think about anything else. So I missed the survey this year. It wouldn't surprise me to see more Packers fans next year.

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15 - The NFL doesn't really want an LA team. As long as there is no team in LA, any team that wants a new or improved stadium can threaten to move there. Once a team is there, teams can only threaten to move to Fresno. Or San Antonio. Or Birmingham. Somehow, that's not going to be as big an impact.

The NFL also knows LA fans are notoriously fickle. They only follow winners and will leave games early even if the game is close. Regardless of what any NFL exec might say, the NFL really don't care if LA ever gets another team.

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Every time someone starts dissing Philly fans, I keep pointing out how well read they are when it comes to sports.
The fact that so many Philly fans show up here at FO just furthers my point.

I agree there is an element of bad fan in Philly. But as a Philly fan who has attended MANY, MANY New York Giants games (far more than in Philadelphia), I can categorically say the fans in New York are just as bad, if not worse, in many respects. And frequently less well informed.

I have seen New York fans hit a teen girl in the halls of Giants stadium for wearing the wrong shirt. I have been harassed by New York fans while at a game with my KIDS (not verbally harassed, either...the ushers would've tossed me simply because they usually toss opposing team fans, until they saw my kids in the aisle and all the crap that was being thrown at us).

As a result, I always laugh when I invite my Giant fan father in law to Philly for a game and he politely declines, citing "the worst fans in the world". The one game he attended, he was well treated and walked out pleasantly surprised.

I do believe Philly fans get a bad rap because of the crappy "journalists" in Philly who incite the lousy fans to do stupid things, as well as the perpetuation of some stupid myths.
By and large, however, I've always enjoyed visiting Philly and having sports conversations at corner bars...these people do read alot of sports, and it would surprise me if alot read Football Outsiders.

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Philly and Raider fans always get the 'worst fans in the world" award, but I think the front runner Washington Redskins fans are the worst.

I see Giants and Philly fans more similar, and Redskins and Dallas fans more similar.

Philly/Giants fans are usually pretty informed, and if the Eagles/Giants suck they will be the first to tell you that. There is no illusion.

The Redskins/Dallas could be 4-12 and their fans still run their mouths and talk about how they are better.

Every offseason the Redskins sign/trade for players and their fans run around as the paper champions of the world. It gets old fast. I vote Redskins fans as the worst.

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Re. # 39:

I have to giggle at that post, for several reasons. One of the worst days of my sports-watching life occurred at the urinal cake formerly known as the vet. I wore a Giant jacket to the 700 Level, and on my way up, I was greeted with a serenade of "As..." from both sections surrounding my flight of stairs, till I sat down. The halftime bathroom break (four on the whole level, if I recall correctly) consisted of my being approached by a kid (16/17 yrs. old) in nothing but a t-shirt - it was 10 degrees at kickoff - who came to within an inch of my face, said "Die", then stumbled away. Given the scenery - four guys peeing in a sink as they couldn't get close to the trough - it was tame. This was all after the pregame, when a. A mob of samaritans attempted to tip over my portable toilet and b. As I approached the gate, a small kid cursed at me loudly, as his proud father stood behind him, flipping me off with both hands. Philly fans are seen as notoriously despicable for a reason. The highlight, though, was the drunk woman several rows behind me, who called Kerry Collins "Tom Collins" for four quarters. Among the only words that didn't start with "mother..." to leave her lips, that made me laugh. Are you sure it wasn't a Jet game to which you're referring?

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Honestly, I think anyone who didn't vote for the Merriman/Jackson ad should go to their rooms and think about what they've done... Without supper.
Regarding Jacksonville, link in my name, the Jaguars bit was pretty funny, I thought.

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40:

I have to agree. My father is an Eagles fan, and growing up we went to a lot of Eagles games, and what I saw go on at that stadium is like nothing I have witnessed at any other stadium, in any sport, not just football.

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Hey, what happened to the FFHOF inductions?

#40 - I think the Merriman/Jackson commercial lost because they stopped running it sometime mid-season, and people forgot about its awesomeness. It's not on the same level of travesty as last season, when the Bruce Campbell Old Spice commercial didn't even get nominated.

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#40 - yea, my thoughts exactly. Boston is pretty bad too. I'm no Yankees fan but apparently my NY plates scream - desecrate me with permanent marker, as I left a rest stop to find "Yankees Suck" on my door.

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Hey, did you guys hear that in philadelphia, they sacrifice the children of cowboys fans? Seriously, we've all heard horror stories from every stadium, and if you were dumb enough to go to the 700 section in full giants regalia, I don't know what you were thinking. That place was basically a hellhole and the Vet in general was terrible. The doesn't mean that Eagles fans are all boorish drunks. I talk fottball almost everyday with my boss who happens to be a lifetime dallas fan and it never gets ugly.

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I live with two philly fans, and I'm a cowboys fan. We've never had cross words (other than the good natured ribbing, obviously) and they're generally very well informed fans.

On the other hand, a lot of the philly supporters on the net are so full of vitriol and constantly bashing the Cowboys that it's come to the point that I never listen to them anymore.

And to be fair, Cowboys fans on the internet I've found are the least informed fans, so there's that.

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Call me crazy, but all I can think of when I watch Merriman/Jackson is, "well, of course he can tackle seven guys when he's 'roided up from here to next Tuesday." A commercial is affected by the man in it.

I like Jackson's half though, even if he does run over four Steelers. (/homer)

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I didn't care for the Merriman/Jackson ad at all. I thought it was contrived and over the top, not to mention unimpressive and cheap. I also didn't care for any ad that had nothing to do with football--except for the Toyota one. Video games and football both speak to me on similar mental levels, I guess.

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Well, color me disgusted that someone actually likes Kornheiser.

I also think Jaws provides good analysis, but his voice gets too annoying for him to be considered one of the best.