Word of Muth: Eric Fisher and Luke Joeckel

Word of Muth: Eric Fisher and Luke Joeckel
Word of Muth: Eric Fisher and Luke Joeckel
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by Ben Muth

It’s been awhile since I’ve had time to sit down and write anything this offseason but I sure picked a good time to come back. We’re just a week removed from a historic draft that saw three offensive tackles chosen in the top four picks and six total offensive linemen in the top eleven. Over the next three weeks (yes, it’s a three-parter) we’ll look at those six players, how they played in college, and how they might transition to the NFL. This week we’re looking at the top two offensive tackles.

Eric Fisher
Central Michigan/Kansas City Chiefs

Fisher became the first offensive tackle chosen number one overall since Jake Long in 2008. The Central Michigan product started to emerge as a surefire top-10 mock draft pick at the Senior Bowl but didn’t get a lot of first overall hype until early April. In the end, he edged out fellow offensive tackle Luke Joeckel for the top spot, and I have to say that I agree with Kansas City’s decision.

To me, by far the best part of Fisher’s game is his ability to restart his feet. There are going to be a lot of times in a game when your feet die. It can be because a defensive end blunts you off the ball, or maybe you have to really anchor down on a bull rush. Whatever the reason, there are times when your feet get stuck in the dirt and you need to be able to get them going again. Fisher excels at this. Let’s take a look at an example from the Michigan State game.

Fisher is pass-blocking against a defensive end (analysis!). Now, Fisher has a good set in general. I will say he does tend to try to run guys by the quarterback too quickly in his set (before he has to) and shortens the corner on himself at times (not in the picture above, just in general). He got away with it in college because he was strong and athletic but everyone is strong and athletic in the NFL and you can’t just try to essentially drive-block every speed rusher. It’s something he’ll have to work on, but it should be easily coachable.

In the pic above, Fisher does a nice job of staying with his kick throughout the play. He gets a solid punch in the second frame and stops the defensive end's momentum. The problem is he continues to drift a bit as he punches and ends up in a position where he is in danger of getting beat underneath in frames 3 and 4. Honestly, he’s in pretty poor position here. (I know the quarterback has thrown the ball in frame 4 but it doesn’t matter for this column because Fisher doesn’t know that).

Fisher stops all his backwards momentum and gets moving again, towards the defender. The stopping and coming back inside is impressive and is what people are talking about when they discuss change of direction in pass protection. But what Fisher does here is actually more impressive because he doesn’t just come inside and mirror the pass rusher, he restarts his feet completely and drives the defender back towards the line of scrimmage, eventually bending him over a pile (a good example of Fisher’s balleyhooed mean streak).

Yes, a large part of generating the movement is the result of the defender reaching to deflect the pass, but that’s exactly the same principle that generates movement in a zone running game even when the defensive end beats you off the ball. If the defensive end gets a good get-off and shocks you in the backfield, you still have a chance to win as an tackle if you can restart your feet. Because the running back is taking an angle towards the edge defender’s outside shoulder, he’ll start to widen a bit. If you can get your feet going again as he’s widening himself out, you end up creating a big hole just inside of you. Let’s go to the tape again to see what I’m talking about.

This is from the Chiefs' game in Week 16 against the Colts. I want to focus on Eric Winston, who despite being released after the last two seasons, is really good at Outside Zone blocking. Here, Kansas City is running Zone Stretch behind Winston. On the play, the defensive end buckles Winston a bit in the backfield. I know it’s tough to tell in stills, but you can see how how the defensive end's hips are thrusting through the man (giggety) and Winston’s head is snapped back a bit in the first frame.

But as the defensive end reads the play he moves a bit to his outside to prevent Charles from running around him. As he does that, Winston is able to restart his feet and start pushing him further outside. Even after Charles puts his foot in the ground to cut inside, Winston is still driving the defensive end further outside. Eventually the defensive end ends up a couple of yards outside the numbers, way wider than he should have been based on the initial collision.

This ability to restart your feet quickly and with power is vital for any offensive lineman, but particularly one that will be called upon to run a lot of Outside Zone. Not only is Fisher capable of it, he excels at it. It’s why I think he will be a very good fit with Jamaal Charles.

Luke Joeckel
Texas A&M/Jacksonville Jaguars

Joeckel was the presumed number one pick from about three quarters of the way through the season, once Geno Smith and Matt Barkley had faltered, until about a week before the draft. After all, he was the best tackle in college football. There is no doubt in my mind that as a college player, Joeckel was better than Eric Fisher. Eventually, Joeckel ended up “falling” to number two, and while I prefer Fisher as a pro, I still really like Joeckel.

I’m betting that Joeckel is a solid NFL pass blocker on the first day of mini-camp. He’s got a good initial kick, he uses his hands exceptionally well for a college kid, and he can redirect well (he’s not great at restarting his feet like Fisher, but he can redirect). The only concern I have at all is if the Jags move him to the right side and he just happens to be one of the few guys that can only pass block one way. His pass set seems mechanical in a good way at times, but he could struggle to flip it to the other side. But really, I don’t see that being an issue with a whole offseason.

The best part of Joeckel’s pass blocking is his patience. That might not have Jaguars fans (either of them) dancing in the aisles, but it honestly should. Patience is by far the most underrated part of pass blocking, because a patient pass blocker is a well-balanced pass blocker who times his punch well. Those two things go a long way. Here’s a perfect example from the LSU game.

In the picture above, LSU is running a stunt with the defensive end and outside linebacker. What stood out to me is that Joeckel threw a full punch at the defensive end and missed. That sounds bad, especially when you take into account that I just raved about his patience, but how it happened is actually fundamentally sound.

Joeckel and the right guard are in a man scheme here. Joeckel sees the defensive end crashing inside and the linebacker coming over the top, so he knows there is a game going on. That means the defensive end is doing one of two things, either he’s short-sticking and coming into the B gap with hopes of T-boning the guard out of the way to get the quarterback, or he’s long-sticking into the A gap where he hopes he can beat the guard across his face because the guard is kicking wide to the linebacker.

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If the defensive end is long-sticking (which he is) there’s really nothing Joeckel can do about it. If he’s short-sticking however, it’s Joeckel’s job to shock the defensive end with a punch to take the umph out his rush before he gets to the guard. So Joeckel waits till the last moment -- it’s almost impossible to tell in the moment whether a defensive end is going A or B gap as a tackle -- and throws a full punch to blunt the defensive end. But because the defensive end is going A gap, Joeckel comes up with air. And yet it doesn’t affect Joeckel at all.

That may seem mundane, but it’s actually really impressive. Because you’re punching 250-300 pound men, you usually lean into your punches to deliver extra pop/prevent yourself from being humiliated on national TV. Here Joeckel, who delivers plenty of pop with his punch, is fully extended and not off-balance in the slightest. In fact, he keeps kicking deeper and delivers a strong punch to the linebacker a second later. Look at frames 1 and 3 again, it’s like frame 2 never happened.

I love this play. It’s patience, it’s timing, it’s balance, and it’s a strong punch at the end. It really is everything you want in pass protection. O-line coaches run drills where you just have to stand there and punch some sort of bag or dummy that comes at you and sometimes gets pump-faked. It’s hard not get caught leaning too far forward on a dummy that can’t knock you back, so for a college kid to do it in a game setting is awesome.

That does it for this week. Come back next week when we check out the two guards picked early and I probably take a couple shots at Adam Snyder, Levi Brown, Bruce Arians’ ridiculous collection of Kangol hats, or all three.


16 comments, Last at 01 Oct 2013, 12:42am

#1 by Dr. Mooch // May 02, 2013 - 1:18pm

In a couple of highlights (and I've only ever seen a few) it looked like Fisher kept his hands pretty low setting up against a DE. Is this a problem for him?

Also, the graphics are a bit too small.

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#3 by Briguy // May 02, 2013 - 2:05pm

I agree, I kept trying to click the images to find a larger source image and was frustrated. Especially on the A&M field it's very difficult to tell which player is which. And when he talked about the KC tackle's head being snapped back, my reaction was "how can you tell?"

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#5 by RickD // May 02, 2013 - 3:42pm

You should be able to control the size of graphics on your end.

If I press the Ctrl button, the mousewheel enlarges and/or shrinks the picture. This works for both Chrome and Firefox on my Dell PC laptop.

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#2 by dryheat // May 02, 2013 - 1:57pm

Maybe Joeckel can help Brandon Albert out with his mechanics.

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#4 by AJ (not verified) // May 02, 2013 - 2:20pm

I wish ben would do defensive line analysis too

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#6 by Karl Cuba // May 02, 2013 - 3:46pm

After the niners took Lemonier I looked up a couple of his games on YouTube and in the first he dominated against LSU (I think) and then I watched him against A&M, where he just got stoned over and over again. I doubt Joeckel broke a sweat.

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#10 by Reinhard (not verified) // May 03, 2013 - 2:11pm

I watched that game also after the draft, and I agree that Joeckel does a great job. I had the same reaction as you. Then I took a closer look.
It looks like a big part of the reason is that they decided to have Manziel "beat them from the pocket." It looks like Lemonier has outsize contain responsibilities. Because of this he can't rush as hard, ESPECIALLY going against the best pass blocker in college football. So actually I thought he played it very smart.

There's just one time I saw where he crashes inside instead, and actually gets by Joeckel... unfortunately Manziel runs for a nice gain around the outside. However I looked that play over a few times and noticed they had a spy, who was simply too slow to contain the QB. So this would give Lemonier more freedom to lose his outside contain responsibilities.

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#12 by Karl Cuba // May 04, 2013 - 1:09pm

He certainly was playing contain but even then it was a little depressing watching Joeckel repeatedly shut him down.

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#11 by Reinhard (not verified) // May 03, 2013 - 2:15pm

ACtually not to the inside but around the outside, but here's the play I was talking about:

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#8 by Petersonnn88 (not verified) // May 03, 2013 - 8:47am

I would really apreciate if you could tell your opinion about Lane Johnson too.

Especially at the end of the year (he is still learning the position).

Really nice article by the way :)


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#9 by Petersonnn88 (not verified) // May 03, 2013 - 8:48am

I just missed the introduction of the article so please don't take my previous comment seriously... :)

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#13 by Will Allen // May 05, 2013 - 2:08pm

Ben, if you see this, do you have comment on how Kalil, last year, compared to these two?

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#15 by John Justice (not verified) // May 07, 2013 - 2:56am

If you can get your feet going again as he’s widening himself out, you end up creating a big hole just inside of you. Let’s go to the tape again to see what I’m talking about.

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#16 by Anonymous1 (not verified) // Oct 01, 2013 - 12:42am

it looked like Fisher kept his hands pretty low setting up against a DE

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